Sorry but I have zero faith in him.
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Nvidia now at 90% market share.
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Sorry but I have zero faith in him.
Caporegime
Well.... what do you think about that as a concept?
Soldato
Yeah, hard to quantify how much difference it makes.
Again, the fact that AMD have bothered with FSR and RT at all shows they feel there is some value to it and the fact they're bothering to improve it just adds more weight to that.
Another thing that probably has some bearing on things is brand recognition, but again quantifying what that's worth is tricky.
I mean I know nothing about vacuum cleaners, so if I was buying one and the options were a "Dyson" model and a "Werkzeug Vakumes" model and they both got reasonable reviews and they were a pretty similar price, I'd probably go with the Dyson one. This is probably a poor example as there's likely not enough complexity to what makes a good vacuum, but I don't think you can blame people for going for Nvidia over a brand they're no so aware of.
Nah. Radeon is a premium brand and not a charity mate. They should just wait for Nvidia to release their cards first so thry know pricing and can release after. This has worked very well so far, why stop now?
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TPU does 1080p@60fps v sync testing. Latest test for a 7900xtx is from summer. It needs about 66% +/- more power for same FPS. Even the 4090 is more efficient than the 7800xt, 7800xt needing more than 16% power although it has less vRAM. Speaking of which, even though 7900xtx has 4GB vRAM more, the power consumption is about the same to its lesser brother.
In the video the numbers/percentages vary up and down, so it depends per game and scene. I'd say no GPU limitation for nVIDIA, just AMD being less efficient. Intel would be mocked and crucified for something similar.
+ DLSS, better FG, etc.
Release after and still have less features, but they'll promise to release them at some point that may or may not come in the near future. Surprised pikachu face when they hit 5% market share.
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PG42UQ at 138Hz;
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Not allowed to value those things. Plus they are fake
People say they don't care about those, they don't care about RT/PT, but they care about plenty of vRAM, cheaper cards, etc. and yet that doesn't show up in the actual sales and market share.
People like to quote Steam HW Survey, well 4080s is 61% higher in those charts than 7900xtx, although it has way less time on the market. 4080 is almost 73% more and 4080s + 4080 have 2.34x more numbers than the 7900xtx. 7900xt doesn't even show up, while 4070ti super has sold 52% more than 7900xtx...
So, where are those people that vote in poles that they don't care about RT and all that, vRAM is king etc? They sure are not spending money on AMD (or on what they preach!). Or... are just a vocal minority.
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Caporegime
TPU does 1080p@60fps v sync testing.
You misspelled "look here you're right humbug"
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You're right how exactly if for the same frame rate AMD is more power hungry?
Caporegime
Reasons.... IDK i never said this wasn't true, i know its true. Is this a genuine question? I have some theories.
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Of course it is.
By the original video I didn't mean that AMD doesn't throttle down in low demanding scenarios at all, it just doesn't do it low enough or the GPU doesnt have a more granular control over its innards to better "surf" the demand as needed.
Caporegime
I was referring to the video.
Its likely to be more than one thing, possibly a less efficient architecture, possibly something to do with it being an MCM design, Nvidia are on newer more advance silicon, 4nm vs 5nm.
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Caporegime
I just looked it up, TSMC N4 is 22% more power efficient than N5.
Soldato
My point is that Nvidia don't just have majority market share, and not slowing down, but dominant market mindshare, The latter of which is very hard to crack unless AMD come out with something immense for a decent amount cheaper as that is what it will take to sway the usual Nvidia only customers.
Yeah continually losing marketshare is a great business tactic !
As an AMD customer I'd like them to succeed, Hopefully the 8000 series comes in at a decent price and decent performance for a mid range offering.
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N4 Vs N5 does matter (it's not nm though, that's just marketing bs, hence the real name is n4 and n5) and I've seen whole analysis before even 7900xt(X) hit the shelves yet, showing MCM seems to be the main culprit here of high power use. Just the interconnect between chips itself requires a lot of power apparently, which has nothing to do with generating 3D graphics as such.
Maybe AMD don't have a significant amount of certain people working for them ?? Hmmmmm.
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