Just going by OCUK the 4890 is about £165 and the 275 £200 (for a decent branded card), £35 is a lot of money at this price point don't you think considering it comes up short in a number of games?
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Just going by OCUK the 4890 is about £165 and the 275 £200 (for a decent branded card), £35 is a lot of money at this price point don't you think considering it comes up short in a number of games?
nothing wrong with ocuk value. In fact ive heard that the ocuk value gtx 275's were a mix of asus and palit brands. At least they were a week ago.
Yeah bit of a lottery though, Asus and Palit are both very good but you might be unlucky and get a Sparkle!
Its a bit more complicated than just saying 4x=8x or other way around...
A jagged line for me can break the immersion, 2x on nvidia isn't enough but when I up it to 4x, I never find the immersion breaks - while playing on the ATI I had to up it to 8x to get the same effect - it still looked nice on the ATI at 4x but probably their opptomisations worked a bit differently and there would be some jaggies it missed.
Screenshots don't really tell the whole story, its something that is most noticeable in motion plus while I don't know about ATI but back in the day nvidia used to use cheats to detect frame buffer grabs and apply higher levels of AA - I wouldn't put it past either to still have similiar opptimisations.
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I think theyre basically whatever batch they can pick up cheap at the time
Edit: re last post - Im sure its prob game dependant too, Ive no doubt that the games that are developed under the NVidia "the way its meant to be played" devlopment team will function better/smoother with NVidia cards than ATI cards simply due to the partnership used in development
Edit: re last post - Im sure its prob game dependant too, Ive no doubt that the games that are developed under the NVidia "the way its meant to be played" devlopment team will function better/smoother with NVidia cards than ATI cards simply due to the partnership used in development
Get the cheapo OcUK one for £182.99, there will be no difference in performance, and it wouldn't surprise me if it was even made in the same factory.
Yeah bit of a lottery though, Asus and Palit are both very good but you might be unlucky and get a Sparkle!
my OCuk 260GTX is a sparkle - came in a nice box and seems to be a great card - overclocks like a bomb - better than my BFG OC edition and even runs cooler - tho thats partly coz its a 55nm and the BFG is the 65.
Yeah bit of a lottery though, Asus and Palit are both very good but you might be unlucky and get a Sparkle!
who to say xfx are any better? If you ask me it's only fair to compare the cheapest versions of both. I mean, on a lot of websites the 4890 and 275's are still the same price!
man, we need to take you out to get laid! you are taking gaming way too serious! heh, kidding buddy
man, we need to take you out to get laid! you are taking gaming way too serious! heh, kidding buddy
heh for the longest time I resisted moving to enabling FSAA back in teh day... thought it "didn't really make much difference" - but one day I updated to drivers that had it enabled by default... and I couldn't turn it off again, its like night and day for me.
I am, heh.
I think it's only fair to compare the branded cards as at least then you can look online at specific reviews and check the specs etc. to see what you are getting for your money, esp. as the OCUK value card is clocked quite a bit lower than the XFX one.
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the xfx and asus 4890's are stock clocks and so i the ocuk 275. Also to find out what brand you are getting im sure its only a phone call away. Or are we going to have to start factoring in the price of the phonecall too
No it wouldn't. This forum has a very uneven graphics card following - the number of nVidia "fanboys" to ATI ones is much much higher, of the order of 5:1. I'm not going to get into naming them but I think the serious ones know who they are.
Being "honest" about it doesn't placate said trolls from what they do - the forum would be better off as a whole without said people.
I'm not sure if this is a stab at me or not - but if it is, I probably do favour ATI slightly. But then again, I am a Catalyst Beta tester and have been for a few years now. And trust me, whilst i'm bound by NDA, I have made good friends with some powerful people at said company.
It is, although I have to admit, sometimes my temper leads me into making comments and "feeding the trolls". I don't mean to do it really, and it's something i'm trying to do less. It's not easy though, some people just ask for a good flaming!
Lets see some quotes from these neutral people your on about who said that they are neutral.
Because it certainly aint me.
I don't make up stuff about the NV cards & sprout them in NV threads.
And honest about what exactly, preferring a make over another? there is nothing wrong with that & that's not what people have issue with.
It wasn't aimed at anyone in particular...
But say the slightest bad thing about ATI around here and you get a queue of people ready to take a stab at you... all with ATI cards in their sig and trying to put across that they are neutral and you a big fan boy.
Atleast the nvidia fan boys don't hide behind a curtain of neutrality which is probably why your incorrectly thinking theres more nvidia fan boys than ATI in these parts.
But say the slightest bad thing about ATI around here and you get a queue of people ready to take a stab at you... all with ATI cards in their sig and trying to put across that they are neutral and you a big fan boy.
Atleast the nvidia fan boys don't hide behind a curtain of neutrality which is probably why your incorrectly thinking theres more nvidia fan boys than ATI in these parts.
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This is getting out of hand
I started it Ill hold my hands up
I said the 4890 and 275 were even, Ive since conceded the 275 is marginally faster, but imo not worth the premium
The issue I had was with people quoting the special benefits of NVidia like Cuda and Physx (not quoted in this thread but often done so in others) my retort was that ATI uses DX10.1 that NVidia doesnt, these are facts and cant be disputed, imo that means that an argument for one or the other based on these is flawed, as it is missing the others benefits, further, imo, according to things Ive read, DX10.1 has more benefit than physx in most games, Im not sure about cuda as I havent seen any comparisons
Anyway, to try and get back to the original OPs question (kinda-there wasnt actually a question in there iirc) most people do not think the 275s will reduce in price anytime soon, NVidia appears to have responded to ATIs price drops by lowering the price of the 260s
I started it Ill hold my hands up
I said the 4890 and 275 were even, Ive since conceded the 275 is marginally faster, but imo not worth the premium
The issue I had was with people quoting the special benefits of NVidia like Cuda and Physx (not quoted in this thread but often done so in others) my retort was that ATI uses DX10.1 that NVidia doesnt, these are facts and cant be disputed, imo that means that an argument for one or the other based on these is flawed, as it is missing the others benefits, further, imo, according to things Ive read, DX10.1 has more benefit than physx in most games, Im not sure about cuda as I havent seen any comparisons
Anyway, to try and get back to the original OPs question (kinda-there wasnt actually a question in there iirc) most people do not think the 275s will reduce in price anytime soon, NVidia appears to have responded to ATIs price drops by lowering the price of the 260s
Sorry but its not as black & white as you like to paint it.
saying bad things are not a problem.
Saying bad thing out of context just for the sake of it is an issue & over exaggerating problem is also.
If you feel you have a right to make them than others have a right to correct them.
What have I made up now?
The stuff about the 5800 series performance is ballpark correct based on the specs - it might not be 100% correct but its not that far out.
What I said about the tessellation stuff being little more than a gimmick with very little interest from developers at this point is also correct - and the way some people tout it as ATI's big advantage over nVidia is pitiful. Its not something I've made up - theres like 2 out of the several hundred developers out there that have an active interest in using it and I can find you quotes from several of the industry "greats" including John Carmack (see below) who state that its not the best path for video game developers at this point in time.
What I said about the FSAA stuff was my OPINION and I never stated it as fact.
This is a view shared by many developers in the industry with the exception of a small number of studios, most of which are in ATI's pocket.
Thats not to say tessellation is a bad thing and infact in a small number of games it will allow you to massively increase the number of objects and the quality of those objects beyond what would normally be capable - but its not the "next big thing" some people are touting it to be.
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