Nvidia pricing is a joke?

[Tonester0011]

85% of all pc`s sold have either low end discrete or on chip gpu.... which makes that link very very valid.

Then 60% of that 15% are Nvidia and 40% of that 15% are AMD?
Don't see the problem here, just a smaller number of the same share, unless you have unequivocal proof AMD hold a majority in the enthusiast market i don't get where you're coming from....

 

[humbug]

It is about 60 - 40 to Nvidia right now, that pcper article is pretty useless as it lumps notebook, desktop, iGPU's all into one, they don't even distinguish between them in their write up.

Its just a wall of info with no actual info in it.

 

[Harlequin]

enthusiast market Is for waving epeen around - nothing about making real income - that comes from OEM sales; your average HP £500 desktop for example.

and thatswhere AMD is going into - the range of APU`s

 

[spoffle]

We're not talking about total market share though, AMD will clearly have a lead over Nvidia due to also being in the CPU market...
Check the link i posted ^ shows just over 60% for Nvidia in the discrete market.

It's got nothing to do with CPUs. It's a GPU chart. They aren't counting AMD CPUs...

 

[Harlequin]

It is about 60 - 40 to Nvidia right now, that pcper article is pretty useless as it lumps notebook, desktop, iGPU's all into one, they don't even distinguish between them in their write up.

Its just a wall of info with no actual info in it.

plenty of info - iGP`s make up the bulk of all sales , as do investor reports.


discrete retail sales are a drop in the ocean compared to OEM sales , and if the retail sales are small , then the sales of bleeding edge is tiny.

 

[ICDP]

7970 = $550 @ Launch.
680 = $500 @ Launch.
780 = $650 @ Launch.

Let's say it's 20% quicker across the board, 780 is 18% more expensive than the 7970 and 20% quicker. The 780 is 30% more expensive than the 680 and 20% quicker (what's not true at higher res)

It's not offensively priced relative to other launch day GPUs, you just don't get more for your money that's all.

I could understand your argument if GTX780 was released at the same time as HD 7970 1.5 years ago, but it wasn't so the comparison is invalid. You don't compare prices of new products to what the top end 1.5 was years ago. The comparison is only valid compared to current market prices.

HD 7970 @ 925 MHz release = £420 (irrelevant to current market)
HD 7970 @ 1050MHz today = £300 (relevant)
GTX680 release = £420 (irrelevant to current market)
GTX 680 today = £350 (relevant)
GTX 780 = £550 (relevant)

GTX780 is giving poor value in comparison to current GTX680 and especially HD 7970 GHz pricing. Trying to reconcile the poor value of GTX780 (and Titan) by ignoring current pricing is a non-sequitur.

 

[spoffle]

It is about 60 - 40 to Nvidia right now, that pcper article is pretty useless as it lumps notebook, desktop, iGPU's all into one, they don't even distinguish between them in their write up.

Its just a wall of info with no actual info in it.

It's counting GPU market share and they're all GPUs.

 

[humbug]

plenty of info - iGP`s make up the bulk of all sales , as do investor reports.


discrete retail sales are a drop in the ocean compared to OEM sales , and if the retail sales are small , then the sales of bleeding edge is tiny.

95% of people buying an Intel CPU are not buying it for the iGPU.

They are counting the iGPU on every Intel sale as a GPU sale regardless of the reason it was bought

 

[Tute]

Same with everything.

Apple 32GB product versus 64GB one. Small manufacturing cost difference, HUGE retail cost difference.

No, I get that.

Just wondering why on that list that was posted earlier in the thread, the GPU costs are different - I thought it was the same GPU, just that one failed to make the required grade to become a GTX580?

Hence it cost the same to manufacture, just can't be sold for as much? Or am I getting confused?

 

[Harlequin]

95% of people buying an Intel CPU are not buying it for the iGPU.

They are counting the iGPU on every Intel sale as a GPU sale regardless of the reason it was bought

no, not at all

95% of people walking into a retail shop to buy a pc buy what's on the sales label - `Intel HD graphics` or ` AMD Fusion APU`.

look at the price , see its got xxx amount HD space and xxx amount of ram , listen to the blurb and buy it.

 

[humbug]

no, not at all

95% of people walking into a retail shop to buy a pc buy what's on the sales label - `Intel HD graphics` or ` AMD Fusion APU`.

look at the price , see its got xxx amount HD space and xxx amount of ram , listen to the blurb and buy it.

hmmm.... true, and get ripped off at the same time

 

[Tonester0011]

no, not at all

95% of people walking into a retail shop to buy a pc buy what's on the sales label - `Intel HD graphics` or ` AMD Fusion APU`.

look at the price , see its got xxx amount HD space and xxx amount of ram , listen to the blurb and buy it.

Love your %%%%%
With such accurate data i assume you will have sources to back this up?

The majority of people will make their purchases based on price and aesthetics, i would say more often than not they have no idea what this and the other means other than a higher number is better.

 

[MrMarvelous]

Honestly why are people still surprised about this?!

They price it this high because people will buy it, especially NVidia fans. It makes perfect business sense.

 

[humbug]

The effects of good marketing ^^^

Love your %%%%%
With such accurate data i assume you will have sources to back this up?

The majority of people will make their purchases based on price and aesthetics, i would say more often than not they have no idea what this and the other means other than a higher number is better.

People just get bamboozled by sales men, nod. and say yeah ok, can I have PPI to?

 

[Tonester0011]

The effects of good marketing ^^^



People just get bamboozled by sales men, nod. and say yeah ok, can I have PPI to?

I'm not ashamed to have bought things that look better, cost more and perform worse before....knowingly.
I think people underestimate how much aesthetics comes into a product, the 780/Titan are very pretty, that's undeniable. Whether the cost to manufacture that cooler is pence in the grand scheme of things it adds a lot more value than a plastic one, something people (like me) would pay more for.

 

[Von Smallhausen]

Folks, this is getting heated in parts. Keep it civil please.

 

[bells]

Unfortunately these cards represent a nice market ! Is this what Pc gaming has came to ? and just caters for an elite market of people with a lot of money ?
I could afford an Nvidia top end card but my mind just cant justifi it

 

[Davedree]

AMD have no choice, Nvidia is the Apple of GPUs they have a name that sells. If AMD want to compete they need to do one of two things, beat them by huge margins or undercut them....they have done the latter for along time, the market share hasn't changed and there is still a bad taste in peoples mouths when it comes to AMD (even though its no longer true)Nvidia like Apple are marketing geniuses, they make a product people *need* rather than want, fantastic when you look at it really. AMD have changed their game plan and hopefully with this gens positives they can follow suit next gen and claim back some market share...till then however.

can you justify the comment in orange with greater detail?
Because from how I read that I can only comment on that being utter ****e.

 

[Diagro]

can you justify the comment in orange with greater detail?
Because from how I read that I can only comment on that being utter ****e.

he said that because if you look around on forums such as this, you will find people bad mouthing AMD for driver issues when in fact they are no longer bad.

When i talk to random people who walk into my mates PC shop, they say that fred blogs said that Nvidia are better and AMD are for poor people..
(those same people then gasp at a £100 price tag for a low end GPU)

 

[Tonester0011]

can you justify the comment in orange with greater detail?
Because from how I read that I can only comment on that being utter ****e.

Didn't think this would ever happen...

he said that because if you look around on forums such as this, you will find people bad mouthing AMD for driver issues when in fact they are no longer bad.

When i talk to random people who walk into my mates PC shop, they say that fred blogs said that Nvidia are better and AMD are for poor people..
(those same people then gasp at a £100 price tag for a low end GPU)

Diagro speaks truth, that's basically what i meant. There's still a bad smell around AMD's name, be that from past mistakes or just general filth that gets splurted out from the misinformed. They've made leaps this gen in cleaning their name, fantastic driver support, acknowledgement of CF issues (even though it doesn't effect everyone) competitive pricing (not at the start, bad AMD! ) and spot on game bundles.

Couple more years of this and we might even 50/50 market share. (discrete GPUs)