NVIDIA Publishes DirectX 12 Tips for Developers

[Insanties_birth]

I think its a problem with certain people on the outside looking in rather than anything else, one developer or anyone with anything positive about AMD is instantly marked as an "AMD Fanboi"

It seems that for a some people you can't be a "PC Hardware Fanboi" you have to be in one camp and hate the other, its pathetic and a pretty sad state of affairs. oh and just in case its not clear, no i'm stating an opinion with you

To be fair this should be a positive thread, even with the tips Nvidia are giving out I can understand there being some scepticism from people who don't understand 100% what every bit of it means so could misread a part and question if it's all vendor neutral (such as when people thought it could be due to the gtx 970 in some parts early in the thread). What I don't understand is how 4 or 5 people can jump into a thread and suddenly go off topic to start bashing AMD out of the blue and then it be a case of them shrugging there shoulders as people pretend we don't know the green team is bringing some more poison for the forums. Even some who claim to be neutral jumping in pointlessly at any chance just to claim any negative comment about AMD is 'spot on'.

Like I said, easy enough for people to stick on topic and discuss whether it's really a good or bad thing but start a fanboy defensive that has people randomly group up to bash another part completely off topic and that is bound to raise an eyebrow about supposed loyalties. Either way it's not a huge deal but I just take issue with the community being so aggressive and not the companies themselves, AMD and Nvidia both handled this situation well as it seems so I just wish the community was less of a pity party that hang around waiting to insult there preferred vendors 'enemy'.

 

[humbug]

To be fair this should be a positive thread, even with the tips Nvidia are giving out I can understand there being some scepticism from people who don't understand 100% what every bit of it means so could misread a part and question if it's all vendor neutral (such as when people thought it could be due to the gtx 970 in some parts early in the thread). What I don't understand is how 4 or 5 people can jump into a thread and suddenly go off topic to start bashing AMD out of the blue and then it be a case of them shrugging there shoulders as people pretend we don't know the green team is bringing some more poison for the forums. Even some who claim to be neutral jumping in pointlessly at any chance just to claim any negative comment about AMD is 'spot on'.

Like I said, easy enough for people to stick on topic and discuss whether it's really a good or bad thing but start a fanboy defensive that has people randomly group up to bash another part completely off topic and that is bound to raise an eyebrow about supposed loyalties. Either way it's not a huge deal but I just take issue with the community being so aggressive and not the companies themselves, AMD and Nvidia both handled this situation well as it seems so I just wish the community was less of a pity party that hang around waiting to insult there preferred vendors 'enemy'.

+1

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

The thing to remember about the whole 'fanboi' thing is that it happens both ways. It's not like there are only Nvidia 'fanboys' on the forum that attack AMD 'fanboys'. There are both and they have a go at each other.

You a get pro-AMD thread and someone will try to find the negative in it.
Then you get a thread like this, saying how Nvidia are doing something positive and people try to find the negative with this.

 

[Insanties_birth]

The thing to remember about the whole 'fanboi' thing is that it happens both ways. It's not like there are only Nvidia 'fanboys' on the forum that attack AMD 'fanboys'. There are both and they have a go at each other.

You a get pro-AMD thread and someone will try to find the negative in it.

Agreed but which one causes most problems, which one derails most threads, which one throws the forums most out of whack? I feel we know the answer to that one already, simple enough but if you have two diseases then you're not necessarily twice as sick. I wouldn't compare a cold to cancer and I think there's always going to be some bickering but right now I see near every thread being ruined by the green team. I don't want to say any more though (but don't want to let it drop by simply excusing some people with the 'oh but they do it too' excuse), I'm simply promoting we have a more positive forum but dragging it down with too much bickering would probably have the adverse effect and just derail the thread so I'll step out of arguing on who did what and when.

As I said this thread suggests to me Nvidia did a good thing, it should be a positive thread in Nvidia's favour that does indicate points others have made that Nvidia work closely with the devs which is a good thing and I'm hoping the restructuring AMD is doing could eventually get the same results but if not then at least they serve as competition so are a positive force for us regardless of which vendor is working closest with the devs. Sony worked very closely with devs and often helped them too, it's nice to see this occur in the PC industry as well so I agree with some and hope AMD will follow suit but at least they cleared up that the advice Nvidia gave was positive and vendor neutral so gives the go ahead from both parties.

 

[Silent_Scone]

I think you're a little deluded. You are saying these NVIDIA users are ruining the threads yet agreeing with the facts here which are this is simply a documentation which main steadfast is to better the understanding of developers to make the most out of their hardware. If you took a look here https://developer.nvidia.com/ - there are documents spanning back to DX9 with various pieces of information.

Basically - it's not really a talking point other than it shows NVIDIA are active within the development community - and aren't responding (as history dictates) to the spin that has surrounded anything that either favours the opposition, or is derogatory to them. Some people like a bit of controversy, others like facts. Personally I like to stick with the latter - and that's NVIDA have a good history of involvement with developers and onsite visitations. This is a statement that is quite easily backed up for one vendor, but not so easily the other. Most of the recent confrontation birth from things that aren't deemed 'fair', which is why they are exhausting and never ending.

 

[Insanties_birth]

I think you're a little deluded. You are saying these NVIDIA users are ruining the threads yet agreeing with the facts here which are this is simply a documentation which main steadfast is to better the understanding of developers to make the most out of their hardware. If you took a look here https://developer.nvidia.com/ - there are documents spanning back to DX9 with various pieces of information.

Basically - it's not really a talking point other than it shows NVIDIA are active within the development community - and aren't responding (as history dictates) to the spin that has surrounded anything that either favours the opposition, or is derogatory to them. Some people like a bit of controversy, others like facts. Personally I like to stick with the latter - and that's NVIDA have a good history of involvement with developers and onsite visitations. This is a statement that is quite easily backed up for one vendor, but not so easily the other. Most of the recent confrontation birth from things that aren't deemed 'fair', which is why they are exhausting and never ending.

It's hardly deluded to point out that a thread that is positive towards Nvidia (and as stated, I agree is a good thing) doesn't need to be ruined by anti-AMD fanboy talk. To put it into hyperbole you might understand then you simply MUST have been dropped on the head as a child to not discern the difference between the positive initial topic and the negativity spewing from some of the commentors themselves.

See, I don't think the hyperbole or the negativity really added anything there (and was just a joke example), same can be said for the thread. The topic is fine and you surely didn't just twist that imagination to say that I was saying all Nvidia users were wrong (when I already said I agree with them) just because I take issue with the way some act like fanboys and drag in anti-AMD bias when it's not even on topic. My argument was against fanboys bringing out of topic flame wars into the thread and that this is more commonly done by the Nvidia side, that is completely separate to my agreemant that Nvidia did a good thing and that I see no issue with the topic at hand but just the fanboys. Either way either way if you misread it then no worries, I'm not gettting into silly games of arguing over fanboys when it's obvious what they did.

 

[layte]

 

[Geeman1979]

LOL ^

So much drivel

 

[Insanties_birth]

This is honestly how I feel whenever I post in these forums lol I say I'll leave it and then someone comes along and tries arguing with a none issue and finds it deluded or offensive or crazy to think there could be fanboys (or some other issue they find to go in circles over) hampering things.

Either way lets recap. Please no more fanboys, Nvidia done good, AMD confirmed this for the sake of peoples sanity and as much as it hurts my poor soul I'll just say silent is dead to me and I won't reply no more Gods be good the forums need no more arguments so I'm off to play games regardless of how much I offend the next passing argument obsessive.

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

It's hardly deluded to point out that a thread that is positive towards Nvidia (and as stated, I agree is a good thing) doesn't need to be ruined by anti-AMD fanboy talk. To put it into hyperbole you might understand then you simply MUST have been dropped on the head as a child to not discern the difference between the positive initial topic and the negativity spewing from some of the commentors themselves.

See, I don't think the hyperbole or the negativity really added anything there (and was just a joke example), same can be said for the thread. The topic is fine and you surely didn't just twist that imagination to say that I was saying all Nvidia users were wrong (when I already said I agree with them) just because I take issue with the way some act like fanboys and drag in anti-AMD bias when it's not even on topic. My argument was against fanboys bringing out of topic flame wars into the thread and that this is more commonly done by the Nvidia side, that is completely separate to my agreemant that Nvidia did a good thing and that I see no issue with the topic at hand but just the fanboys. Either way either way if you misread it then no worries, I'm not gettting into silly games of arguing over fanboys when it's obvious what they did.

The Nvidia users/supports may shout louder due to being the minority on this forum. It might be why it seems like they complain more because most of the forum favours AMD so doesn't see the pro-AMD/anti-Nvidia stuff as obviously so they think it doesn't happen (as much).

 

[Silent_Scone]

I hardly post here anymore, there is no technical discussion at all.

 

[D.P.]

I hardly post here anymore, there is no technical discussion at all.

Agreed

Just look at all the off-topic anti-nvidia junk from page 1,posted below. How a company with 20% of the market share can generate 80% of the "AMD appreciation" comments on OCUK is beyond me.

People say AMD"s marketing is terrible, its not, OCUk is a fine example of how sly their PR machine is, always making out that they are the good guys and Nvidia is killing puppies. The AMD supports club lap it up and regurgitate it all over the internet.


Another thread ruined by those who simply don't understand but hate Nvidia. Fantastic.

Between the lines,

Please optimize for our GPU's and don't use anything that would give AMD a boost

Hahaha, GTX 970

Well if the following is referring to Async Compute then devs would have to create two codepaths, one for Consoles/AMD and one for Nvidia gpu's. They would be stupid to not use DX12 to its full potential.

What does that "document" consist of? Not using async shaders and incorporating lameworks into everything? lol, nty. Have we actually had ANY well optimised GameWorks sponsored games? I don't think we have.

Alternatively, they don't make the same effort to "sway" devs to gimp opposition performance.
So you can look at it as AMD are too lazy, or AMD aren't as dirty. Matter of perspective, which I'm surprised you can't see with all your neutrality.

 

[humbug]

Fanboi's on both sides yes, 3 times as many Nvidia users, by market share this and actually far worse on other forums there is more than a bit of a green haze to cut through.

 

[Howling]

Agreed

Just look at all the off-topic anti-nvidia junk from page 1,posted below. How a company with 20% of the market share can generate 80% of the "AMD appreciation" comments on OCUK is beyond me.

People say AMD"s marketing is terrible, its not, OCUk is a fine example of how sly their PR machine is, always making out that they are the good guys and Nvidia is killing puppies. The AMD supports club lap it up and regurgitate it all over the internet.


Another thread ruined by those who simply don't understand but hate Nvidia. Fantastic.

Half of those quotes aren't even nVidia hate, but I'm not surprised to see you making out there's some kind of AMD-spiracy going on. It's all you do.
And just to correct you on something, AMD don't have 20% of the market share - they sold 20% of the cards in the last quarter - but it's more of the usual pro-nVidia spew you consistently post. *sigh*

 

[andybird123]

That's exactly what market share is, you are just omitting the time period, you can average market share over the last 3 months, or the last ten years, without knowing how often people update their GPU both are equally meaningless in terms of working out the installed base. Its not like last quarter was a one off, AMD have been sliding for the last year, they might make a small claw back but we aren't really expecting them to be back at 40% off the back of the Fury's now are we.

 

[D.P.]

Half of those quotes aren't even nVidia hate, but I'm not surprised to see you making out there's some kind of AMD-spiracy going on. It's all you do.

If you don

't see that as mindless Nvidia bashing then that says more about you than the quotes.

And just to correct you on something, AMD don't have 20% of the market share - they sold 20% of the cards in the last quarter

No, you're are just plain wrong on some many levels.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonev...e-again-despite-multiple-amd-radeon-releases/

Nvidia increased their lead more substantially than they did between Q4 2014 and Q1 2015, with the company now sitting at 82% desktop GPU market share

Selling 82% of the cards is the very definition of 82% market share, of the discrete GPU market Nvidia secured 82% of sales. I have no idea what kind of backwards logic you are trying to use.

but it's more of the usual pro-nVidia spew you consistently post. *sigh*

Any more personal attacks and I will RTM you.

 

[humbug]

Now we are arguing about time framing market share because one looks bigger than the other......

Take a step back folks to look in from the outside.

 

[Marine-RX179]

Another thread ruined by those who simply don't understand but hate Nvidia. Fantastic.

If those below posts you quoted you see it as Nvidia hate, then I think you are the one with the problem of cannot take any negative comments toward Nvidia as hate posts, especially those comments are not out of nowhere- is it because of Nvidia "hater" that caused the 970 to have have a weird memory design make up? Is it Nvidia "hater" that caused GameWorks titles seem to have more issue than non GameWorks titles in general?

They just are stating their opinions base on the results of their observations.

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

If those below posts you quoted you see it as Nvidia hate, then I think you are the one with the problem of cannot take any negative comments toward Nvidia as hate posts, especially those comments are not out of nowhere- is it because of Nvidia "hater" that caused the 970 to have have a weird memory design make up? Is it Nvidia "hater" that caused GameWorks titles seem to have more issue than non GameWorks titles in general?

They just are stating their opinions base on the results of their observations.

So it's only a problem if what is said isn't true?

Weren't there complaints in the Nano and Fury X threads about people mentioning low stock, prices, pump issues and extremely niche target markets?
Are we saying that's all fine because they were actual issues?

 

[Dicehunter]

Even as an imminent Nvidia owner to me this smells of "Code best for our platform first".