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NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - (PRE)ORDER DISCUSSION **NO COMPETITOR HINTING**

harmattan said:
In my very, very long experience in trading and buying video cards, paying a bit more actually does get you a better card. Take the spectrum of the 4-series. The worst card in the line up still works, but it runs hotter, is power limited, and the components are generally skimped on, especially for nVidia (AMD card are generally quality across the board). Paying 10% more can mean the difference between an annoyingly loud card that cant't be overclocked, and one that does what you want. That said, the benefits depreciate on the upper end e.g. a TUF is exceedingly close to a Strix in all areas.
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The last point you make is an interesting one. It's not super clear cut.

On such high end cards as the 5090, I bet that in 18-24 months, the Astral/Suprim/Master cards will sell for at least £200 more than an entry level cards (e.g. Palit GameRock). So whilst it may be £500-600 more now, it's a bit less than that in terms of the total cost of ownership if you upgrade each gen.

Ps, don't hold to me these above figures. Your investments may go down in value.
 
Absolutely Clueless said:
The last point you make is an interesting one. It's not super clear cut.

On such high end cards as the 5090, I bet that in 18-24 months, the Astral/Suprim/Master cards will sell for at least £200 more than an entry level cards (e.g. Palit GameRock). So whilst it may be £500-600 more now, it's a bit less than that in terms of the total cost of ownership if you upgrade each gen.

Ps, don't hold to me these above figures. Your investments may go down in value.
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Ehh... If you look at 4090 used sales now, TUF and Strix are selling very closely, certainly not anywhere close to the difference that would have been paid new.
 
harmattan said:
Ehh... If you look at 4090 used sales now, TUF and Strix are selling very closely, certainly not anywhere close to the difference that would have been paid new.
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Both of those ASUS cards reviewed very well, so are not the best examples. Zotac trinity vs AMP, or Gigabyte Windforce vs Aorus Master are probably better, but it's not huge, you're right.
 
harmattan said:
In my very, very long experience in trading and buying video cards, paying a bit more actually does get you a better card. Take the spectrum of the 4-series. The worst card in the line up still works, but it runs hotter, is power limited, and the components are generally skimped on, especially for nVidia (AMD card are generally quality across the board). Paying 10% more can mean the difference between an annoyingly loud card that cant't be overclocked, and one that does what you want. That said, the benefits depreciate on the upper end e.g. a TUF is exceedingly close to a Strix in all areas.
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I had an asus tuf 4070ti super in white of course and NGL it was a fantastic card. Good thermals. Cool running, no coil whine, stupidly good build quality. It did overclock quite a bit, at least better than the other 4070 ti’s and 4070ti’s supers I had but not to the same extent as the strix. I should have kep that card and the founders 4090 FE
 
Absolutely Clueless said:
The last point you make is an interesting one. It's not super clear cut.

On such high end cards as the 5090, I bet that in 18-24 months, the Astral/Suprim/Master cards will sell for at least £200 more than an entry level cards (e.g. Palit GameRock). So whilst it may be £500-600 more now, it's a bit less than that in terms of the total cost of ownership if you upgrade each gen.

Ps, don't hold to me these above figures. Your investments may go down in value.
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You talking about the easy rider shuffle. Long term members will know what I am talking about. This is true to the extent as long as you upgrade every gen the flaw in this if the price continues to increase for the top end. A one off 2.5k payment might not hurt you in the long run that much but every gen upgrade if it like 3k next time and 3.5k after that. That gonna add up.

Which lead me to think why would nvidia release the top end card first when it only attributes to 1-2% of it overall revenue from graphic card sales for consumers which it holds a 90% market share which is then compounded by the fact gaming gpu’s only earns them 10% of their total revenue globally.

They are gauging us to see what we will pay for next gen… :p
 
GoRedwings19 said:
I had an asus tuf 4070ti super in white of course and NGL it was a fantastic card. Good thermals. Cool running, no coil whine, stupidly good build quality. It did overclock quite a bit, at least better than the other 4070 ti’s and 4070ti’s supers I had but not to the same extent as the strix. I should have kep that card and the founders 4090 FE
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Odd but genuine question. What made the Asus Tuf 4070 Ti Super (and BREATHE...) feel high quality to you?
I've only owned two GPUs - MSI 3080 Gaming X Trio and 4090 FE. The FE clearly feels higher quality, but the only two factors you can really assess without a teardown is material feel (metal > plastic shroud for example) and the weight (which doesn't guarantee higher quality).
I'm just curious as a GPU newbie.
 
GoRedwings19 said:
You talking about the easy rider shuffle. Long term members will know what I am talking about. This is true to the extent as long as you upgrade every gen the flaw in this if the price continues to increase for the top end. A one off 2.5k payment might not hurt you in the long run that much but every gen upgrade if it like 3k next time and 3.5k after that. That gonna add up.

Which lead me to think why would nvidia release the top end card first when it only attributes to 1-2% of it overall revenue from graphic card sales for consumers which it holds a 90% market share which is then compounded by the fact gaming gpu’s only earns them 10% of their total revenue globally.

They are gauging us to see what we will pay for next gen… :p
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I think part of it is that Jensen knows his gaming's roots and doesn't want to betray us.

(nah who am I kidding, you're right, he's got more leather jackets to buy :cry:)
 
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Absolutely Clueless said:
Odd but genuine question. What made the Asus Tuf 4070 Ti Super (and BREATHE...) feel high quality to you?
I've only owned two GPUs - MSI 3080 Gaming X Trio and 4090 FE. The FE clearly feels higher quality, but the only two factors you can really assess without a teardown is material feel (metal > plastic shroud for example) and the weight (which doesn't guarantee higher quality).
I'm just curious as a GPU newbie.
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So when I had the Asus tuf at the time I had the MSI slim gaming trio 4070 ti super and the MSI ventus 4070 ti super. Also I had the 4070 to from zotac and another 4070ti ventus.

The tuf was the heaviest and a quick prodding around was that it was all metal enclosure (shroud basically) the gaming trio I can't remember if it was metal with a bit of plastic and the others were all plastic.

I did not like the ventus 4070ti from the moment I powered it on. Noisy and ran hot. The zotac was fine but nothing special. The gaming trio slim 4070ti super was quite good and even though it cooler/shroud was a slim edition it ran slightly warmer and louder than the tuf. The ventus 4070 ti super was pretty much the same as the 4070 ti ventus ran hotter and louder but it didn't bother me as much as I got it fairly cheap.

I quite like the gaming trio slim and it would have easily by far been the best of the bunch had I not gotten the tuf. The ventus is also doesn't have dual bios which is not really a deal breaker but I like to test cards with it to see how much difference it makes.

Another thing I noticed that the power limit is fairly locked down on the 4070 ti/super models.

The ventus didn't allow any power limit over a 100% and the gaming trio only went to like 105% if my memory serves me correctly. The Tuf being an Asus model allowed more headroom but I never go over the stock power limit anyways but it might be something for people to consider if they need more.

Now I want to add while build quality doesn't directly correlate to how cool or how fast a card can run as the headroom is much lower than say the top end cards like a 4090 . In my experience the cards that have better materials and built to a higher standard than the entry models generally run cooler, run quieter and allow more clocking headroom. But it always comes with a price.

At the end of the day the difference between a entry level card and a top end card is like a few frames. And they are fine for the most part but cater for peoples budget. When I was much younger and money was tight I was all about the gigabyte wind force cards. As you get older and you start to earn more you also appreciate the build quality, engineering etc and this applies to all hobbies.

And even though now I only get things like the strix or the suprims I would never ever judge any person who get the ventus or the zotacs or the gigas simply because a long time ago I was there. An enthusiast who gets an entry level 5090 versus an enthusiast with the top end 5090 is still a 5090 owner in my book.

Hell at the moment I am using a Quaddro m4000 (2015 970 equivalent but with 8gb) until I get a 5090. That should tell you all you need to know about me.
 
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