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NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - Technical/General Discussion

markymoo said:
I have a 3090 Suprim X
(Shockingly paid £2,150 for during COVID)

Is it worth upgrading now or wait for 6 series.
I was thinking of maybe changing to the 5080, so I don't get burnt as much.

What would be the best choice... 5080 or 4090?
It seems like Nvidea keeps locking its best/better features behind a paywall with each series.
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It’s a good question. I think the only thing to look at for comparison sake is what 3090s are selling for used vs the 4090. I think it is £600 vs £1300ish for the FE models. So to me as a 4090 owner, will my 4090 fall £600-700 over the next 2 years, and is upgrading to a 5090 less than that?
 
Sedgey123 said:
Fair enough, i did see you considering a 5080 which is why i originally posted whether you regretted selling the 4090 but if you get an FE 5090 whether thats day 1 or a month down the line then for £235 its great!
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Yeah I wouldn't say anything is off the table 5080 vs 5090, but 5090 is most likely. Just waiting on reviews and benchmarks now. A 5080 for £975 wouldn't bother me tbh if it came to it. Very similar performance to a 4090 for a lot less money.
 
When do you think we'll start to see some reviews & benchmarks of the cards?, as most people probably are really want to see what the uplift from 4090 to 5090 is expecting no more than 30%
 
What AIBs are people considering for those not going for FE (feel like it'd look hilariously small in my Phanteks Enthoo 719)
 
DizzyZ said:
What AIBs are people considering for those not going for FE (feel like it'd look hilariously small in my Phanteks Enthoo 719)
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Astral or Suprim + FE will be attempted to be acquired + Can sell on MM if both are successful whichever one is hotter/noisier can get the boot :D

Liquid Suprim Looks good also but I already have too many fans in my case
 
Question for the folk who are against DLSS/fake frames.

If we get to the point where the fake frames/pixels are 95% accurate to a natively generated frame and the input lag penalty drops, say, 50% less than it is now - would you still not use it?

Where is the line drawn, at what point does 4K or 1440p with every setting cranked up at 200+ fps become enticing?
 
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markymoo said:
I have a 3090 Suprim X
(Shockingly paid £2,150 for during COVID)

Is it worth upgrading now or wait for 6 series.
I was thinking of maybe changing to the 5080, so I don't get burnt as much.

What would be the best choice... 5080 or 4090?
It seems like Nvidea keeps locking its best/better features behind a paywall with each series.
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I'm in the exact same dilemma. The only thing making me hesitate on the 5080 is the 16gb downgrade, but need to wait and see how significant that is when taking into consideration it's faster than what's in the 4090 and there's new compression tech in play.

The whole 4090 being better at pure raster is kinda irrelevant to me too as I'm all for the AI advantages of the 5080 and things like MFG don't bother me as long as latency is kept in check.
 
ne0 said:
I'm in the exact same dilemma. The only thing making me hesitate on the 5080 is the 16gb downgrade, but need to wait and see how significant that is when taking into consideration it's faster than what's in the 4090 and there's new compression tech in play.

The whole 4090 being better at pure raster is kinda irrelevant to me too as I'm all for the AI advantages of the 5080 and things like MFG don't bother me as long as latency is kept in check.
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Perhaps wait and save up for a 5090 or wait for the 5080ti/super as they will have 24g ram surely
 
For someone on a 3080 10gb, is it looking like the 5070ti will offer at least a 50% improvement in raw performance?

I don't really want to pay £1000 for a 5080 when it's only got 16gb of Vram, it just doesn't sit right with me, plus it doesn't look like it'll be much faster than the 5070ti going by the specs.

Also considering the AMD 9070xt if that would give at least 50% improvement too.
 
It’s looking like a 5070Ti will be give or take similar in performance to a 4080s. So about 40% - 50% faster than an 3080 10GB. I went from a 3080 to a 4080 at 4K and saw a 35% - 40% improvement.

If you are not worried about the promise of extra fake frames and AI, then maybe a 4080s could fit the bill. Assuming they start dropping in price because only an idiot would buy one at the current pricing and the soon to be released 5080 comes out at the same price.

Like it or not those 4000 series used prices are about to start tumbling. The extra VRAM didn’t help the ultra expensive 3090 hold its price on the used market. Nor will it help the 4090 when a 5080 for £1000 can almost match it and has “moar” features that Nvidia loves pushing.
 
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ICDP said:
It’s looking like a 5070Ti will be give or take similar in performance to a 4080s. So about 40% - 50% faster than an 3080 10GB. I went from a 3080 to a 4080 at 4K and saw a 35% - 40% improvement.

If you are not worried about the promise of extra fake frames and AI, then maybe a 4080s could fit the bill. Assuming they start dropping in price because only an idiot would buy one at the current pricing.
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They aren’t producing them anymore. So the 5070ti makes sense price wise
 
If you what to know the uplift from the previous cards just take the cost difference between their predecessor and that's almost certainly going to be the performance difference as well because we've long since past the point where you get more frames for your penny.
 
ICDP said:
It’s looking like a 5070Ti will be give or take similar in performance to a 4080s. So about 40% - 50% faster than an 3080 10GB. I went from a 3080 to a 4080 at 4K and saw a 35% - 40% improvement.

If you are not worried about the promise of extra fake frames and AI, then maybe a 4080s could fit the bill. Assuming they start dropping in price because only an idiot would buy one at the current pricing.
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Thanks, I don't think there will be any deals on the 4080, as stock levels seem to be low to avoid having to sell off cheap when the new gen cards are out.

I don't really care about AI or interpolated frames either. I'm just looking for some actual price/performance progress which was sadly missing from the RTX4000/R7000 series.

For reference I paid £650 for my 3080fe, so something around that price with a 50% improvement would actually be progress, paying another £350 or over 50% more for a 50-60% performance improvement, just seems pointless.
 
parisv said:
They aren’t producing them anymore. So the 5070ti makes sense price wise
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Yes agreed but there are still some 4080s in stock in many places. Once the 5080 and 5070Ti are released you may start seeing EOL clearance sales and if one was going for £600 new it would be a good price.

As a 4080 owner there is nothing in the 5000 range in price/perf that looks that great frankly. But for those on a 3000 series GPU, the 5000 series pricing is going to be an excellent reason to upgrade.

A 5070Ti for £750 with ~45% extra performance over a 3080, that would be a good upgrade in price/perf.
 
ljt said:
Thanks, I don't think there will be any deals on the 4080, as stock levels seem to be low to avoid having to sell off cheap when the new gen cards are out.

I don't really care about AI or interpolated frames either. I'm just looking for some actual price/performance progress which was sadly missing from the RTX4000/R7000 series.

For reference I paid £650 for my 3080fe, so something around that price with a 50% improvement would actually be progress, paying another £350 or over 50% more for a 50-60% performance improvement, just seems pointless.
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I also got my 3080FE for the same price. I bought a used 4080FE (barely 2 months old) for £900 and even that price left a bit of vomit taste in my mouth.

The 4080 is genuinely a great GPU even at 4K. So a 5070Ti for £750 is genuinely not a terrible price/perf. The dark horse may be the 9070 XT AIB models. They seem to be around 4080 raster and 4070Ti Super RT. If they are £600 or so then that would be a great upgrade path for your criteria.

Edit just to clarify that I also got a 7900 XT for £630 for my son’s PC and it was a more than decent upgrade over my old 3080 he was running. Think about 30% faster raster and not much slower in RT. At least when 7000 prices became sensible they were very good GPUs.
 
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Halliphax said:
Question for the folk who are against DLSS/fake frames.

If we get to the point where the fake frames/pixels are 95% accurate to a natively generated frame and the input lag penalty drops, say, 50% less than it is now - would you still not use it?

Where is the line drawn, at what point does 4K or 1440p with every setting cranked up at 200+ fps become enticing?
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At 4K, you kind of have to use DLSS to get between 60-120FPS in the newest games. It's pretty good, but there are bugs which do annoy me.

5090 will let some games be playable at 4k native which will be nice, though DLSS will of course still be needed for most titles.
 
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