NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - Technical/General Discussion

[Murphy]

i bet you that in production cost, a 5090 costs $75 at most, R&D wont be much as Nvidia already have the infrastructure, their profit margins on GPU's are very high, even for a $2000 5090

IIRC HUB did a recent video where they estimated a 5090 die costing $135, obviously there's a high chance of errors in such an estimate as things like TSMC wafer costs, defects vs good dies, whether Nvidia are getting discounts, etc, etc. All have to be accounted for so it's more a ballpark figure, however that's a lot more than $75.

That's just for the die. You then have to factor in the RAM, the PCB, SMD's, the cooler, packaging, etc, etc. If i had to guess the profit margin on a 5090 is probably in the 50-60% range and as you go down the stack that profit margin declines, it's probably why there's such a push to get people to buy only the highest end card.

 

[IT Troll]

R&D wont be much as Nvidia already have the infrastructure

Nvidia claimed it was $10B for Blackwell. A few GPU generations ago the cost given was $1B.
That will of course be for the whole range from supercomputer to budget potato.

 

[Murphy]

Not just for Blackwell. $10bn is what they've spent on R&D in total the last couple of years, that's total R&D spend so covers everything plus R&D spending is cumulative over the lifetime of a company, even after a company is long dead in the form of IP being sold off to other companies.

 

[CornyOC]

Nvidia claimed it was $10B for Blackwell. A few GPU generations ago the cost given was $1B.
That will of course be for the whole range from supercomputer to budget potato.

I bet most of that was spent on AI cards, not gaming ones.

 

[decto]

I bet most of that was spent on AI cards, not gaming ones.

They are the same die, the best ones go to business, the rest roll down to gamers.

Gaming spend is drivers, DLSS and marketing

 

[hobib_ali]

I bet most of that was spent on AI cards, not gaming ones.

also if jensen said a 5070 is a 4090 performance then their 10 billion cost on R&D is ultra BS

It wouldn't even hit double digits in millions for the blackwell cards, thats why I think a 5090 would cost Nvidia between $100 to $200 max, the rest is pure virgin profit margin, why else would Nvidia be the most valuable company in the world

 

[XeNoNF50]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1886384260086423673

Didn't a couple of the AIB companies say last week there were issues with the bios sent by Nvidia with the 5090's which was the reason for the delay

As always early adopter beta testing...

Someone I knows FE 5090 arrived bricked

 

[mrk]

Timestamped.

 

[mahius]

any news on the 5060 5060ti yet ?

No news, not even leaks or specs or anything. If the 4060/ti is anything to go by and if the 5080 sets expectations for the other 5000 series cards... it would be a miracle if a 5060/ti was anything more than just garbage. The only way those cards could be good is if Nvidia price them nice and low, like £200. Which will happen when hell freezes over.

I'd love to be wrong... but just look at the 5080. Long gone are the days when we'd get tons better performance at cheap prices. Honestly makes me think they should just manufacture the cheaper models on larger node sizes to save on manufacturing costs and make them actual budget GPUs.

 

[Monkeyboysteve]

Someone I knows FE 5090 arrived bricked

Now we know why there are no reports of 5090 having PCIE5 issues... they all broke before that was even an issue.

In separate but related news, the comment pages on every wccftech.com article are a literal dumpster fire. Hardly ever anything about the article, mostly about Trump and horrific comments about gay people.

 

[HRL]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1886384260086423673

Didn't a couple of the AIB companies say last week there were issues with the bios sent by Nvidia with the 5090's which was the reason for the delay

As always early adopter beta testing...

RTX 5090 cable melting claim debunked — Investigation points at prior RTX 4090 FE cabling usage

No RTX 5090s were harmed in this incident.

www.tomshardware.com

 

[Monkeyboysteve]

So the 5080 is underwhelming and barely an upgrade with nothing really to warrant a purchase. But yet the limited stock is still flying off shelves because of FOMO and hype.

Nvidia could have made the 5080 $1500 and the 5090 $3000 and the same thing would have happened.

Depends what people are upgrading from...
People (mostly youtubers) forget that many gamers are not upgrading from a 4080, to some it will be a massive upgrade.
I saw one youtuber recommend a 4080 super over the 5080, even if you can find it for the same price. why?
It's a disappointing card compared to other gens I agree, and I also agree it's more like a 5070 than a 5080, but people are overblowing it massively.