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Nvidia RTX 60 series - what is going to happen?

I wouldn’t have looked at or recommended an AMD card for years. Going back maybe 10 years or so. But the 9070 XT is very solid for the money IMO. Hope to see them continue in this direction and hopefully in future, offer something around xx80 performance level as well. Sadly, for xx90 series enjoyers, I think we’re stuck with nvidia as the only option forever.
The 9070XT isn’t very good, it only looks half decent as Nvidia are using the 50 class die for the 5070 and a 60 class die for the 5070ti.

Had Nvidia not cut down the die sizes these past couple of generations then AMD would be selling the 9070XT and 9070 as a 9060 and 9060XT for between £270-£350 but instead of providing real competition to fix the broken GPU market they’ve taken the opportunistic route and have joined forces with Nvidia against the consumer.
 
The 9070XT isn’t very good, it only looks half decent as Nvidia are using the 50 class die for the 5070 and a 60 class die for the 5070ti.

Had Nvidia not cut down the die sizes these past couple of generations then AMD would be selling the 9070XT and 9070 as a 9060 and 9060XT for between £270-£350 but instead of providing real competition to fix the broken GPU market they’ve taken the opportunistic route and have joined forces with Nvidia against the consumer.

So the 9070XT only looks half decent because... reality?

I gotta say, reality is a decent place to make the comparison.
 
The 9070XT isn’t very good, it only looks half decent as Nvidia are using the 50 class die for the 5070 and a 60 class die for the 5070ti.

Had Nvidia not cut down the die sizes these past couple of generations then AMD would be selling the 9070XT and 9070 as a 9060 and 9060XT for between £270-£350 but instead of providing real competition to fix the broken GPU market they’ve taken the opportunistic route and have joined forces with Nvidia against the consumer.
I mean sure but that's what's being released nowadays so for what you can get for the money, I rate it personally.
 
I'm wondering, after seeing 50 series being a total crap performance wise compared to prev series - what can we expect from next one?
Is there any possible way that Nvidia will pull itself together and make proper new iteration that will bring better performance jump than 50x did?
I forsee even more fake performance, 6090 £3,000.
People will lap it up as well.
Hopefully AMD see what's happened and give us a ##80 competitor.
 
So the 9070XT only looks half decent because... reality?

I gotta say, reality is a decent place to make the comparison.


Reality is that both AMD and Nvidia are ripping people off selling products at double the prices they should be.

Intels B580 hardware spec and pricing shows what we should be paying for the amount of silicon we are getting.
 
Reality is that both AMD and Nvidia are ripping people off selling products at double the prices they should be.

Intels B580 hardware spec and pricing shows what we should be paying for the amount of silicon we are getting.

The company that started making discrete gaming cards 5 mins ago and can barely get into the market as their products are not as reliable, that's correct pricing?

Intel isn't even selling at a price Intel wants, they spent billions getting into cards and you need a microscope to see their market share despite serious undercutting to try and get in.
 
I think AMD are only stepping into the gap which nvidia are leaving behind them in their pricing, but at least they appear to be recognising what the pc market appears to be asking for (16gb for example).

I think the 6000 series will be more of the same in what we have seen in the 4 and 5 series. A headline card which shows significant improvement, but the rest below will be be fall far short of that. They've got away with it and will continue.

Thing is though, isn't the gaming market around 10% to 15% of nvidias overall figures. Does it/could it reach a point where its not worth it for them? i.e. that capacity could simply earn them more elsewhere, so ditch it.
 
Reality is that both AMD and Nvidia are ripping people off selling products at double the prices they should be.

No such thing as a price things "should" be at. Only what they are at, and whether that price sells the product or not.

Clearly at current prices most do sell. But I don't think the 8gb cards are doing that well on the other hand so they may need to drop those prices.

I'll join the blame game though, the main reason prices look so insane now is central banks printing too much fiat currency as they always do.

Priced in gold or bitcoin GPU prices are much more reasonable.
 
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The 9070XT isn’t very good, it only looks half decent as Nvidia are using the 50 class die for the 5070 and a 60 class die for the 5070ti.

Had Nvidia not cut down the die sizes these past couple of generations then AMD would be selling the 9070XT and 9070 as a 9060 and 9060XT for between £270-£350 but instead of providing real competition to fix the broken GPU market they’ve taken the opportunistic route and have joined forces with Nvidia against the consumer.
What? it's one of the fastest cards around
 
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It will happen again probably, cause people are stupid enough to keep buying xx90 top tier cards.
I sold my 4090 for £93 less than I paid for it 2.5 years before, so the 4090 cost me £93 for two and a half years of use. I then bought a 5090 for £2300 which with the 4090 'rebate' meant it 'cost' me £550. If it lasts two years I'll have owned the fastest card available for 4.5 years total cost £2300 or £511 per year or a tenner a week to have the best card there is and that cost is without factoring in the sale price of the 5090 when I eventually sell it. Seems to me the stupid people are those that mess around with the mid range that have a tiny resale value while giving a less than stellar gaming experience. Clearly the AI potential of the very best cards means they retain loads of resale value so this is a relatively new thing and I would never have bought a 3090 as its value was super weak.
 
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I sold my 4090 for £93 less than I paid for it 2.5 years before, so the 4090 cost me £93 for two and a half years of use. I then bought a 5090 for £2300 which with the 4090 'rebate' meant it 'cost' me £550. If it lasts two years I'll have owned the fastest card available for 4.5 years total cost £2300 or £511 per year or a tenner a week to have the best card there is and that cost is without factoring in the sale price of the 5090 when I eventually sell it. Seems to me the stupid people are those that mess around with the mid range that have a tiny resale value while giving a less than stellar gaming experience. Clearly the AI potential of the very best cards means they retain loads of resale value so this is a relatively new thing and I would never have bought a 3090 as its value was super weak.
I rate your mindset. I can't fault anything that you've said to be fair, and totally agree, if you can afford the best and barely loose anything and it's only cost you £10 a week for years of being able to have the best you can buy, basically loose nothing, repeat; then you'd be crazy not to do this!
 
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So the 9070XT only looks half decent because... reality?

I gotta say, reality is a decent place to make the comparison.
I hear what you're saying but he's right. 9070XT is a good card but that is because Nvidia with total market dominance and AI riches is doing what Intel did with CPU cores until AMD competed again. At least now there is proper competition in the mid-market and gamers can get a very good PC gaming experience for less than £700.
 
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I rate your mindset. I can't fault anything that you've said to be fair, and totally agree, if you can afford the best and barely loose anything and it's only cost you £10 a week, you'd be crazy not to do this!
It's a new thing for me and a product of good luck not good judgement as I have owned a top card for at least 90% of my gaming life and they previously sold for 60-80% of their original cost if you timed it well.
 
It's a new thing for me and a product of good luck not good judgement as I have owned a top card for at least 90% of my gaming life and they previously sold for 60-80% of their original cost if you timed it well.
I used to do something similiar with brand new iPhones - well, it started off as I bought a top end model with a smashed screen from an auction, then the smallest GB model locked to a crap network, again auction, swapped the screen, bingo a phone worth £450-600, even a year later, sold that when the new one released, bought the new one factory unlocked highest GB direct from Apple, kept that a year until the new one came out, sold the last one, repeat.
I got 6 iPhones out of it, and in the end it worked out like I'd only ever paid full price for 1.5 of one! Yet I had all those years constantly with the best model. Win win!
 
Reality is that both AMD and Nvidia are ripping people off selling products at double the prices they should be.

Intels B580 hardware spec and pricing shows what we should be paying for the amount of silicon we are getting.
Yep, and conning us with the naming policy.
 
I sold my 4090 for £93 less than I paid for it 2.5 years before, so the 4090 cost me £93 for two and a half years of use. I then bought a 5090 for £2300 which with the 4090 'rebate' meant it 'cost' me £550. If it lasts two years I'll have owned the fastest card available for 4.5 years total cost £2300 or £511 per year or a tenner a week to have the best card there is and that cost is without factoring in the sale price of the 5090 when I eventually sell it. Seems to me the stupid people are those that mess around with the mid range that have a tiny resale value while giving a less than stellar gaming experience. Clearly the AI potential of the very best cards means they retain loads of resale value so this is a relatively new thing and I would never have bought a 3090 as its value was super weak.

You didn't know that was going to happen when you bought 4090.
 
You didn't know that was going to happen when you bought 4090.
I mean, the specs alone versus the 3090 showed it was going to be crazy powerful, so that would have given him reasonable grounds that it would hold good money, and it was the halo best of the best of it's time, and people will always pay for that, be it a minority or not, and stock is always less than demand, so I'd say it was a low risk gamble?
 
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