Nvidia vs Ati Advice

[tommybhoy]

His blanket statement in regards to 3D on AMD falls flat on the fact that Tridef exists in regards to how the tech works, AMD works on any native 3D screen.

Nvidia works as well through Tridef as well for gaming, but you don't get full 1080p Frame Sequential(60+60fps) as Nvidia don't allow it.

3D vision is great in the fact that Nvidia deal directly in their drivers, it's a huge plus.

3D vision requires certified 120Hz monitors(not a 3D monitor), so if you decide to swap vendors in the future, boom, you loose 3D period.

Pure genius from Nvidias point of view...

...but it's totally let down by the fact that not everyone wants to play games and it won't run on your 3DTV-there is a hack but there's varying success.

It never worked for my father in laws LG 3D, so out went his Nvidia gpu and in went an AMD one and that's just to watch movies, so Nvidia lost a customer there.

 

[tommybhoy]

Clee, if your still watching, you have similar Sammys, did the Nvidia 3D kit work on them as I read that it didn't?

Would be grateful for the answer as I posted a thread a while back but got no definitive answer.

 

[Marine-RX179]

Have you used 3D on either platform?

If it's a native 3D screen, Tridef can run 3D, you are not locked into AMD/Nvidia either which should be applauded.

By no means take what your about to read as 'Tridefs better', because it's not what I'm going to express.

If I can purchase a 120Hz FS 3D 1080p monitor for a total combined price that's less than the price of just the Nvidia 3d kit, then what's not to like?

Point out the inconvenience as well please because I don't have any, I also don't have any titles that don't work through Tridef:

They all work but I'm lost to the inconvenience-unless you count having to manually add a game ID shortcut to the Steam.exe on the odd occasion, which is a one time deal that takes a grand total of 30 secs.

His blanket statement in regards to 3D on AMD falls flat on the fact that Tridef exists in regards to how the tech works, AMD works on any native 3D screen.

Nvidia works as well through Tridef as well for gaming, but you don't get full 1080p Frame Sequential(60+60fps) as Nvidia don't allow it.

3D vision is great in the fact that Nvidia deal directly in their drivers, it's a huge plus.

3D vision requires certified 120Hz monitors(not a 3D monitor), so if you decide to swap vendors in the future, boom, you loose 3D period.

Pure genius from Nvidias point of view...

...but it's totally let down by the fact that not everyone wants to play games and it won't run on your 3DTV-there is a hack but there's varying success.

It never worked for my father in laws LG 3D, so out went his Nvidia gpu and in went an AMD one and that's just to watch movies, so Nvidia lost a customer there.

Thank you tommy for your input. THIS is the kind of mature discussion that I like seeing on the forum as it allows to people learn more about a particular subject.

The point I made about Nvidia being more convenient still stands (as you also pointed out), as Nvidia's driver support it natively. And as for 3D itself, I guess it's down to rather if people need the 3D for gaming or watching movies more, which are two different things. For 3D gaming, people still generally see Nvidia has better ease of use (if ignoring the price tag) and less worry about problem that might arise with setting up. I did clearly mention prices being one of the main merit of AMD, but someone just can't bare seeing me claim Nvidia is better for 3D and refuse to acknowlege that people like how they would work out of the box.

My opinion could be right, or could be wrong, as it is a discussion afterall...but instead of providing information to convince me otherwise, he went with "twisting what people say" "putting words in peoples' mouth" approach, which is extremely poor conduct in an discussion on any forum. If you actually look back at the posts, I asked repeatedly for him to read my post and address the points I made properly (which you did tommy), but he simply ignore every point I stated there, and then made some stupid remark like "Are you saying Nvidia doesn't need a 3D Vision compatable monitors?", which nowhere in my post said that. What I said was with Nvidia there is a bigger monitor product range to choose from (as far as I know as the time), yet rather than putting up constructive argument to contribute to the discussion, he call people fanboy repeatedly. It's not hard to see that he had ZERO interest in discussing the subject in question, but more about enjoying himself trolling his "imaginary fanboy" (and he even go as far as openly admitting enjoy winding people up).

I added him to ignore list not because of his different opinions, but because of his immature and trolling/troll baiting conduct.

 

[Tephnos]

From what I've heard,

AMD decided to hire an entirely new driver team, probably to finally get rid of their reputation of drivers sucking. As we've seen in recent months, since about 12.6/7, the 7xxx series has sky-rocketed in performance. Indeed, when looking at TomsHardware (they seem to be using the most recent drivers) a lot of the games that the 680 used to beat the 7970 in are now being evenly matched or beaten (especially at higher resolutions... perhaps indicative that the Nvidia DOES have a memory bottleneck? Who knows, but it looks likely.) Even games that used to favor Nvidia heavily, like Skyrim, are not switcing over to the other card.

It's amazing what drivers can do, really. But for now, it seems AMD is winning the driver front because of their recent drivers. Check out the graphs on tomshardware.

I still find it interesting that the higher resolution you go, the better the AMD card does against the Nvidia, especially at 1600p.

But for now? AMD seems to be the better choice if you take into account how much they cost. It just depends what you want a card for. Do you want the extra features of Nvidia? (Only a hardcore gamer would, mind) Or, do you just want a card that plays games and plays them really well?

 

[LtMatt]

From what I've heard,

AMD decided to hire an entirely new driver team, probably to finally get rid of their reputation of drivers sucking. As we've seen in recent months, since about 12.6/7, the 7xxx series has sky-rocketed in performance. Indeed, when looking at TomsHardware (they seem to be using the most recent drivers) a lot of the games that the 680 used to beat the 7970 in are now being evenly matched or beaten (especially at higher resolutions... perhaps indicative that the Nvidia DOES have a memory bottleneck? Who knows, but it looks likely.) Even games that used to favor Nvidia heavily, like Skyrim, are not switcing over to the other card.

It's amazing what drivers can do, really. But for now, it seems AMD is winning the driver front because of their recent drivers. Check out the graphs on tomshardware.

I still find it interesting that the higher resolution you go, the better the AMD card does against the Nvidia, especially at 1600p.

But for now? AMD seems to be the better choice if you take into account how much they cost. It just depends what you want a card for. Do you want the extra features of Nvidia? (Only a hardcore gamer would, mind) Or, do you just want a card that plays games and plays them really well?

+1.

Could you link me to some of these graphs please?

Always interesting to see how much more GCN can offer.

 

[Marine-RX179]

From what I've heard,

AMD decided to hire an entirely new driver team, probably to finally get rid of their reputation of drivers sucking. As we've seen in recent months, since about 12.6/7, the 7xxx series has sky-rocketed in performance. Indeed, when looking at TomsHardware (they seem to be using the most recent drivers) a lot of the games that the 680 used to beat the 7970 in are now being evenly matched or beaten (especially at higher resolutions... perhaps indicative that the Nvidia DOES have a memory bottleneck? Who knows, but it looks likely.) Even games that used to favor Nvidia heavily, like Skyrim, are not switcing over to the other card.

It's amazing what drivers can do, really. But for now, it seems AMD is winning the driver front because of their recent drivers. Check out the graphs on tomshardware.

I still find it interesting that the higher resolution you go, the better the AMD card does against the Nvidia, especially at 1600p.

But for now? AMD seems to be the better choice if you take into account how much they cost. It just depends what you want a card for. Do you want the extra features of Nvidia? (Only a hardcore gamer would, mind) Or, do you just want a card that plays games and plays them really well?

Yea. AMD certainly got the edge when it comes to gaming at the higher resolution. Nvidia's narrower memory bandwidth and less vram aside, it is not surprising that they are falling behind the 7970, considering the are pretty much rebadged mid/high-mid range card if you look at their spec. IMO Nvidia hasn't brought out a true high-end card for this gen, but just a high-priced pimped up mid/mid-high range. Like I said before...if AMD had the current drivers performance on launch, I'm curious about what sort of it impact it would have had on Nvidia when it comes to the launching of the GTX 6xx cards

But to be fair, comparing to higher res, the AMD don't have too huge of performance advantage over the Nvidia's card at 1920 res (if at all, depended on the games), so there might still be people see that 1-2fps different being not significant, but would prefer the extra feature like PhysX etc (despite people keep bashing it as pointles, I don't think anyone has the right to dictate people that they should not want PhysX).

 

[no_1_dave]

I still find it interesting that the higher resolution you go, the better the AMD card does against the Nvidia, especially at 1600p.

The strange thing is this has always been the case, on every generation of cards. Even when Nvidia has a faster card at normal resolutions, ATI always have pulled ahead at higher ones.

 

[Rusty0611]

This thread was doing so well...

To be fair as long as the discussion is reasoned and not ignoring valid points to make some kind of - yuck: "fanboy" statement - then it's all good.

I disagree with some of the opinions here but they're being put forward as opinions in a valid manner so that's all good .

I think Cleeeecooo sums up my POV although I haven't used AMD for triple screen so can't comment directly on the AMD implementation but Surround does have really poor points.

Not game breaking but the implementation of it is sketchy.

 

[humbug]

he call people fanboy repeatedly. It's not hard to see that he had ZERO interest in discussing the subject in question, but more about enjoying himself trolling his "imaginary fanboy" (and he even go as far as openly admitting enjoy winding people up).

I added him to ignore list not because of his different opinions, but because of his immature and trolling/troll baiting conduct.

he call people fanboy repeatedly.

A flatout lie, pull up where as you say "call people fanboy repeatedly" i'm telling you now, you can't, you are a liar, among other things.

You expect people to have a sensible discussion with you? at the same time you blatantly lie and call people a fanboy for not toeing your line.

Get real, you can't have a sensible discussion with other people without having to resort to insulting pepole because you don't like what they say.

I thought i was having a sensible discussion with you until you called me a Fanboy, and for no reason what so ever.

 

[Bacon?]

Just shut up humbug....

 

[Rusty0611]

He's already said he's ignoring you humbug you might as well drop it and let the thread carry on rather than drawing it out etc.

I've not quoted you as that bypasses the ignore feature .

 

[spoffle]

Just shut up humbug....

He's already said he's ignoring you humbug you might as well drop it and let the thread carry on rather than drawing it out etc.

I've not quoted you as that bypasses the ignore feature .

What he's saying isn't actually wrong. The other guy was going on about wanting a mature discussion, but he certainly isn't part of it.

I've noticed around here, you can't actually put forward a long concise argument that's contrary to someone else's beliefs without them resorting to a stupid "herp derp, you're such a fanboy for writing all of that" or something along those lines.

I've had gregster whinge and cry like a little baby because I posted a long concise post about PhysX, nothing I said was actually "wrong" it was objective but he didn't like it or see it like that. He saw it was contrary and got upset and had a whinge.

 

[Marine-RX179]

What he's saying isn't actually wrong. The other guy was going on about wanting a mature discussion, but he certainly isn't part of it.

Generalising HD3D and 3D Vision being the "same thing"...what part of that isn't wrong? When both are set-up differently and have different requirements on hardware and have different on ease of use?

I made a comment base on what I know, he turned it into something I NEVER said...and rather than making a constructive argument against the points that I made, his every single response was basically "look at him...a fanboy getting rubbed the wrong way", NOT ONCE did he addressed the points I made.

Before I put him on ignore list, I recall he even posted about something like admitting the his fanboy comment is out of order (hypocritically I guess) and said he has edited his post...but I wouldn't be surprised if he's now edited that post as well and claim it never happened. If you are not here since the beginning of page 3 and read all his posts, and I don't think you in the position to judge me.

 

[Rusty0611]

What he's saying isn't actually wrong. The other guy was going on about wanting a mature discussion, but he certainly isn't part of it.

I've noticed around here, you can't actually put forward a long concise argument that's contrary to someone else's beliefs without them resorting to a stupid "herp derp, you're such a fanboy for writing all of that" or something along those lines.

Well I've seen some of humbug's postings on the the less moderated/less adult battlelog forums pop up in my battlelog newsfeed and let's just say some of it is "colourful".

It's all good though - different opinions are exactly that and all.

 

[Cleeecooo]

Marine-RX179, your so much fun. it's always fun to get someone wound up to the point where they resort to calling anyone who does not agree with them, a fanboi.

Now what 3'rd party support they need to rely on, how it's more difficult to set up and how many choices there are vs Nvidia?

Tridef - nvidia's only other choice is their own 3D vision software.

Have you used 3D on either platform?

If it's a native 3D screen, Tridef can run 3D, you are not locked into AMD/Nvidia either which should be applauded.

By no means take what your about to read as 'Tridefs better', because it's not what I'm going to express.

If I can purchase a 120Hz FS 3D 1080p monitor for a total combined price that's less than the price of just the Nvidia 3d kit, then what's not to like?

Point out the inconvenience as well please because I don't have any, I also don't have any titles that don't work through Tridef:

http://filebeam.com/cac754e42fa57e8513e971a8618d7b20.jpg[IMG]

They all work but I'm lost to the inconvenience-unless you count having to manually add a game ID shortcut to the Steam.exe on the odd occasion, which is a one time deal that takes a grand total of 30 secs.[/QUOTE]

The nvidia 3D vision software is the best I've ever used. It's dead easy to set up, looks sleek and most importantly, works flawlessly in every game I've tried.

Tridef isn't far behind, it works well. It can be a little more finnecky though, especially with 3 screens. The main advantage nvidia 3D vision has is its massive backing from nvidia who are quick to sort problems out should any arise, tridef are a bit slower.

 

[humbug]

Before I put him on ignore list, I recall he even posted about something like admitting the his fanboy comment is out of order (hypocritically I guess) and said he has edited his post...but I wouldn't be surprised if he's now edited that post as well and claim it never happened. If you are not here since the beginning of page 3 and read all his posts, and I don't think you in the position to judge me.

ok look...

Calling someone a Fanboy is out of order, that's why i removed it, i did it after you and No 1 Dave did it so it's not exactly hypocritical is it?

Insulting someone like that and then going on about sensible discussions, that's hypocritical. And then you continue with the rhetoric by accusing me of repeatedly calling people a Fanboy is just you trying to save face for throwing the teddy out of the pram and reacting the way you did in calling me a Fanboy for no reason other than not toeing your line, whats more you made a complete assumption in that, one which is utterly wrong, you know you can't back it up now that i have called you out on it so you again try and save face by claiming i have gone through my posts to edit them?
Your being ridiculous now. i'm pretty sure people would have reacted to that so it wouldn't do much good, would it?

I'm quite capable of having as you put it "a grown up discussion with anyone"
So why don't we drop the rhetoric now and start from scratch? i don't want to cary on with this but i'm also not going to sit back and let you say things which are utter nonsense.

Let's just drop it now. faling that, please do add me to your ignore list.

Well I've seen some of humbug's postings on the the less moderated/less adult battlelog forums pop up in my battlelog newsfeed and let's just say some of it is "colourful".

It's all good though - different opinions are exactly that and all.

My posting on Battlelog is rare, and mostly tongue in cheek, most people in there get it, some Americans don't, i'm surprised you don't, in any case, it has nothing to do with this forum. why bring it in here?

 

[Rusty0611]

Let's just drop it now. faling that, please to add me to your ignore list.

He already has.

 

[Gregster]

I've had gregster whinge and cry like a little baby because I posted a long concise post about PhysX, nothing I said was actually "wrong" it was objective but he didn't like it or see it like that. He saw it was contrary and got upset and had a whinge.

Have you now? You don't even know me fella, so how on earth have you had me whinging and crying like a baby? Grow up kid.

 

[spoffle]

Have you now? You don't even know me fella, so how on earth have you had me whinging and crying like a baby? Grow up kid.

Tell me, what has age got to do with anything you've said, and how will "growing up" change anything?

Or is it one of those things people say that doesn't actually mean anything, but they think it sounds like a rebuttal?

 

[Gregster]

I will stay on topic and not argue for the sake of it to please your trolling.