OBLIVION - MooSe's Essential Links/mods & Tips

did a clean uninstall/install tonight.
obliv>1.2>official plugins>S.I>S.I bugfix>mods......

it would appear because i had a differnt version before (did'nt patch 1.2 just installed S.I) my save games don't work - CTD - and i've lost my 150hr Dark Elf....... :eek: :( :(

ah well. i'll give wyre bash a go and if that does'nt recover him i'll start afresh.
Imperial Heavy BattleMage methinks, fed up of looking at a smurf character :p
 
As promised some S.I screenies.
only ventured into Mania before i had hardware troubles....

Jesus mode to the gateway!

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bah!
i won't be going back to the Shivering Isles for a long time!
my pre uninstall/install save games are utterly corrupt from beth's patch *#$! up :mad:
still i have a lovely fresh install with lovely fresh mods and a lovely fresh patch order. i can start afresh with indepth knowledge and power my way to where i was how i want to this time.

the S.I are a remarkable place to wonder round though, great scenery so keep yer adventurers handy cam on a hotkey and post us lovely screenies :D
 
go to the beth's forums. under oblivion mods and S.I sections theres posts about mod compatibility.
the biggies are Mart's Monster Mod, OOO, the unofficial patch etc. these all have update patch fixes.
i believe some updates only work for a set patch order though.
oblivion>1.2>plugins>S.I>mod fixes
just browse thru. most of the mods in my list @ post 20 are ok.
 
As requested here is a page about character creation including some examples.

Firstly a refresher on governing attributes and associated skills

STENGTH - governs blade-blunt-hand to hand
INTELLIGENCE - governs alchemy-conjuration-mysticism
WILLPOWER - governs destruction-alteration-restoration
AGILITY - governs security-sneak-marksman
SPEED - governs athletics-acrobatics-light armour
ENDURANCE - governs armourer-heavy armour-block
PERSONALITY - governs speechcraft-mercantile-illusion
LUCK - governs no skills but effects everything you do

when you create a character you must choose the following:-
RACE - CUSTOM CLASS - SPECIALIZATION - CLASS ATTRIBUTES - BIRTHSIGN - SKILLS

these will effect your powers, gameplay and levelling speed. read your Oblivion instruction book for race bennefits and weaknesses.

lets just make a few very valid points now.
1stly how long do you intend to play your character? the reason being as most model characters have attributes and skills that suit levelling to play style and give you a headstart to journeyman bonuses.

2ndly if you plan to play longterm, which race would suit you so you play as your character within the game relm.
the reason being is despite starting attribute and skill bonuses ALL races are not attribute handicapped. that means a teenyweeny wood elf can attain a strength attribute of 100 just the same as a hairy nord, it just takes longer to get there.
longterm play will result in maxed attributes and skills across the entire spectrum. you just need to decide how to get there and make sure you level efficiently.

3rdly and very importantly. MAGIC! do you want to use it? maybe not early but later? if you choose a race and birthsign with low a magika pool you will NEVER be able to cast high powered spells (unless you use mods).
magika will be forever stunted to your intelligence level + enchanments.
other birthsigns and race bonuses can be aqquired with spells and levelled attributes through out your journey. think wisely about your needs for spellcraft.

here's some popular model classes you can find in any guide or website. they all play to the class specialization and level accordingly to that style.

WARRIOR

RACE - Orc Nord Redguard
SPECIALIZATION - Combat
CLASS ATTRIBUTES - Strength and Endurance
BIRTHSIGN - Warrior

SKILLS - Blade Blunt Block Heavy Armour - Armourer Restoration alchemy

here you have the offensive skills, armour,repair facility and the means to heal wounds and poison weapons. magic is only for restoration and buying cheap spells to enchant your equipment.
can be made into a "Tank" to smash through opponents. levelling speed is dictated by constant fighting/repairing/healing

MAGE

RACE - Breton or High elf
SPECIALIZATION - Mage
CLASS ATTRIBUTES - Intelligence and Willpower
BIRTHSIGN - The apprentice, Mage or Atronarch

SKILLS - Alchemy Alteration Conjuration Destruction Illusion Mystism Restoration

overcomes everything with magic. dies if anyone gets close with a melee weapon. fast to level if you train skills. combat attributes such as strength and endurance will wither as you have no skills to level them up.
add a blade skill in place of restoration to get a War wizard.

STEALTH MAGE

RACE wood elf
SPECIALIZATION - Stealth
CLASS ATTRIBUTES - Agility and Speed
BIRTHSIGN - Thief

SKILLS - Marksman Sneak Light Armour Alchemy Illusion Conjuration Blade

a thinking mans character. use stealth and cunning to overcome opponents and rob the rich.

THIEF

RACE - Khajitt or Wood Elf
SPECIALIZATION - Stealth
CLASS ATTRIBUTES - Agility and Speed
BIRTHSIGN - Shadow

SKILLS - Sneak Security Illusion Mercantile Speechcraft Marksman Light Armour

Clear that loot and protect yourself with ranged comat

The above are very single minded classes for single minded role playing. whilst they level attain very good initial start bonuses and level up quickly within their field, they are somewhat limited to broadening attributes for a stronger all round character.
*NOTE* many template characters will have skills you don't want or need. ie why does a warrior need blade and blunt. for all of the above cases simply replace skills you don't want with the ones you do. you may find for example you want a battlemage character but, it takes a while to increase your intelligence, willpower and destruction skill to give you the required magika and proficiency to cast high powered spells in succession. you could in that case choose marksman over a skill you don't favour to give you early game ranged attacks which will later be superceeded by ranged destruction.
think what you want, how your character will round out with play and maturity and choose accordingly.

Here's some split skills models. they take longer to level but are ultimately very powerful

WAR MAGE (my last character)

RACE - Dark Elf
SPECIALIZATION - Mage
CLASS ATTRIBUTES - Strength and Intelligence
BIRTHSIGN - Apprentice or Atronarch

SKILLS - Blade Block Marksman Light Armour Destruction Conjuration Sneak

A special service type soldier. competent with all weapon and magic offense but uses stealth and range to weaken opponents first. uses heavily enchanted armour and weapons. (Atronarch is a risky birthsign as magika does not regenerate without sleep-use potions and welkynd stones to replenish in combat and take advantage of the spell absorb ability by enchanting some jewellery to give you 100% spell absorbtion)

IMPERIAL HEAVY BATTLEMAGE (my next long term character)

RACE - Imperial (because i like the look and Roman likeness)
SPECIALIZATION - Combat
CLASS ATTRIBUTES - Strength and Intelligence
BIRTHSIGN - The Apprentice

SKILLS - Blade- Heavy Armour-Armourer-Destruction-Conjuration-Alchemy-Sneak

skills chosen for attribute increase when levelling. ie blade/stength heavy armour/endurance destruction/willpower conjuration and alchemy/intelligence sneak/agility.
this gives strength and endurance for combat and ability to wear heavy armour.
intelligence and willpower for powerful destructive magic and quick magika regeneration. alchemy for early level money making and level training (likewise conjuration) to quickly raise intelligence and total magika and sneak because its governed by agility. agility gives balance and resistance to knockdown in a fight. not to mention the sneak attack and pickpocket bonuses!
a strong, deadly blade and spell wielding opponent encased in heavy armour with back up from summoned creatures.

my idea of the perfect powerhouse to demolish dremora!

done last night. my imperial Maximus Titus Aurellius is now on the loose in Cyrodill! interesting to note that imperial is one of the weaker starting races you can choose. quite poor race attributes. but if you read on you can see there are ways of quickly evening the balance....

The Leveling Conundrum

most players whom are less pleased with their characters normally refer to levelling speed as the basis of their woe.
levelling in oblivion is a double edged sword.
on one hand you get to increase your attributes, you get access to cooler armour,weapons and creatures and you can get higher damage levelled weapons etc.
on the other hand, every time you level, so does every other npc.
(creatures are at fixed levels with the exception of boss type creatures)
if you increase say, your blade skill and level up every other npc gets an increase to blade skill.
the trick is to choose your character so that race/specialization/attributes and skills work for your gameplay so you can attain the best attribute bonuses when you level up.
essentially then you will stay ahead of most npc's in your chosen skills as long as you think about your levelling and apply your bonuses carefully.
what do i mean by this?
well, you need 10 skill point raises to level up. if you raise blade by 10 points alone you'll get a 5 point bonus for strength attribute and 1 for anything or you could just choose two 2 point bonuses on any attribute and 1 spare.
if you diligently apply your biggest bonus to its attribute you will level more efficiently than spreading points willynilly, to recap, make sure when you get those +3 and +4 bonuses, apply them to their relevant attribute. don't take the option of equally spreading those points around.
in order to level efficiently you have to train your skills.
ie. if you want the maximum level bonus to raise your intelligence (hence increase your magika pool) you need to apply a skill to get 10 consecutive skill points.
this generally means going somewhere you won't be disturbed and "training" that skill. each skill has a way of being trained. strictly speaking its not really in the spirit of how beth intended the game, but.....
its easy to encompass into your role playing idealology. besides, when you see npc's practicing sword skills against boards etc they are actually increasing their skills!
how to train each skill then? most are easy, just apply the skill repeatedly.
although some require tricks.
Block - go to sewers and block repeatedly against rat attacks
blade - hit the boar in "thieves den" add on. the "bloodbank" unconcious dude in "vile lair" add on. shadowmere (he can't die) although you'll get expelled from guilds or thwack the petrified followers at the daedric shrine to peryite. (you need to then committ a crime and clear bounty as thwacking the followers mucks up bounty figures)
Blunt- same as blade.
Armourer - repair everything a lot!
Heavy armour - go to sewers and get attacked by rats. don't block
Light armour - same as above
Athletics - run or swim against a wall
Hand to hand - same as blade
Destruction - create a weak "weakness to fire" on self spell (or any similar spell that won't actually hurt you and cast repeatedly. TIP. weight cast key down and watch telly for few hours!
Alteration - repeatedly cast shield
Illusion - repeatedly cast a light spell
conjuration - repeatedly summon a gauntlett or skelly
Mystism - repeatedly cast detect life
Restoration - repeatedly cast a heal self or at target
Alchemy - create tons of cheap potions
Security - open easy locks and snap lockpicks
Sneak - sneak around a sleeping beggar
Acrobatics - jump around a lot, bigger jumps best
Marksman - same as blade
mercantile - sell lots of cheap crap. after each sale exit dialogue screen then re enter
speechcraft - play the speechcraft game on everyone



If you look at the UESP wiki site it goes into some detail on training, how each fast each skill trains etc.
you can see though that by applying training methods you can control levelling and attribute bonuses.
hope that helps some people struggling to level.
 
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depends what resolution you play at.
from what i've read your 8800GTS should play well at up 1920 x 1200 with large textures and most sliders max. you may have to pull grass distance back and a few others for high exterior frame rates.
check out the tweak guide link in the main post 01. that is excellent for optimizing your system and links you to some nice graphics mods that won't effect performance much.
be careful with the likes of Quarls texture mods. they may slow your game to a slideshow!

out of interest all the screenies in this thread come off my system which was optimized thru tweak guide. my specs are:
X2 4400+ skt 969 @ 2.66
2 Gig Ram @ 220
Gainward 7800GS+512 @ 600/1400 (agp 7900GT but much faster)
X-Fi
Mitsubishi Diamondtron 19"
Sammy spinpoint 250GB SATAII games only
Win XP

game played at 1280 x 960 no AA 8 x AF and quality in Nv control panel. sliders are all varied and config is optimized.
fps vary from 40's indoors to low teens outside.
shall be getting an R600 or 8800GTX to go with shiny 20 or 24" tft soon so i'll be whacking on more screenies to show off :D

point being though with your card, careful tweaking and application of graphics mods you can get Oblivion looking stunning.
 
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the best place is the official bethesda forums at
here

you'll have to scroll thru either the oblivion mods topic or S.I topic, possibly a far trawl.
there were some big posts regarding mods that had bugs or worked with S.I.
all the biggies such as OOO. MMM. Francescos. unofficial patch etc have update mod patches for S.I.
if you look back at a post i did on page 2 it shows a complete list of mods i use. all these work except for those mentioned above (use patches). oh i think "open cities " is buggy too.

the main prob at the moment is patch order complying with mod patches. because patch 1.2 was out prior to S.I and S.I changed the version # again some mod patches require a specific order.

as a rule of thumb - game changing mods such as OOO etc have a patch but you'll want to read the latest "readme" with the mod.
mods that simply add armour content etc tend to work.

i have gone thru my mod list and read up on each again and re-installed oblivion from scratch. i never suffered from crashes with S.I (once i updated mods) but re-installed the whole shooting match again anyway.

get yer nose into beth's forums and get trawling :D

(if you read the last couple of pages of this topic you'll see there are a few posts about mod conflicts etc to start you)
 
I can't comment on Quarls as I don't use it. it would appear you have a texture issue.
you might be better off posting a dedicated topic so you get more replies?
 
Curio said:
OK, so I've just started playing again and I'm starting from scratch. I installed as follows...I think :o

Oblivion
1.1 patch
KoTN
OOO
OOO patch
S.I.

I won't be using any other mods. Was this the best way to do things? Everything seems to be working fine - but I just wanna make sure before I get into the game and find I messed something up!

Also, what's the S.I. bug fix? I noticed there was a S.I. beta patch - is this the fix and should I install it then?


the best order for you is;
oblivion
patch 1.2
KoTN
S.I

this gives the latest version of 1.2 which is compatible with most mods and mod updates.
I believe OOO is trialing a beta patch so you may want to go to the beth forums and check it out under the mods section. i don't use OOO so i don't know how compatible with 1.2 or S.I it is.
also if you want OOO you'll want to start it afresh as its involved to install it and use a save game.
best bet is to NOT load S.I yet.
wait for the next OOO patch update and next official beth update then load S.I otherwise you might end up in trouble.

the unofficial bug fix can be found HERE
basically if you don't use it your game will be ruined within 50 hrs!

*Edit* patch 1.32 for OOO is now public. theres a big thread on it within the mod section at beth's forums. you might want to read up on S.I compatibility so you can get S.I installed.
 
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Confusion said:
uh oh, the game wont even start now!!

crashes within 5 seconds of starting the oblivion.exe, i have even tried uninstalling the game and reinstalling it and having everything vanilla!

using vista 64 btw.

go here "http://www.bethsoft.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=561101"
(linky function not working at the moment)

it's a FAQ on how to do a clean uninstall and other bugs.
are you using previous save games with new install?
if they are corrupt they won't run.

(using the Oblivion uninstaller does not clear oblivion. it leaves behind the data file -complete with all mods- save games and screenies.
you want to back up your screenies and save games then manually delete the Bethesda folder. also clear the oblivion.ini folder and change the name of your save games folder. (all in "my documents-my games") then follow the FAQ for clearing registry. that'll give you a clean start)
 
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just been reading thru a OOO 1.32 thread.
yes OOO works with S.I however S.I plays vanilla. ie OOO has'nt got any quests or impact in the Shivering Isles yet.
 
that guy liked his fault testing!

on that note the sheer amount of different problems affecting Oblivion imply either poor coding or unstable windows/driver installations.

it is true though that 1.2 and S.I have induced instability.
unfortunatley due to the amount of mods floating round each player has a virtual unique set up.

all i can say is that following the Tweakguide to set up windows, gfx driver and Oblivion will stand you in good stead.
any problems should be met by running a "dxdiag" diagnosis and using the bethesda forums to find a solution.
 
PATCH 1.2.0416 NOW AVAILABLE!!

get it from the Official Elder Scrolls site HERE

it only fixes the bad form ID error which caused games to crash after several hours of play with S.I installed.(exactly what the "unofficial bug fix patch" did)

IF YOU INSTALLED BETHESDA'S BETA PATCH FIX FOR S.I YOU WILL HAVE TO DO A RE-INSTALL FOR THIS LATEST PATCH - THE BETA IS NOT COMPATIBLE!!

if you installed the "unofficial" bug fix just remove/disable it and load the official patch 1.2.0416 or don't bother unless you need a mod that specifically needs it.

Congratulations Bethesda on being so quick to release this patch after shafting everyone with Shivering Isles :eek: :D
 
if you are using patch 1.2 or S.I the resolution is increased to that of many of the most popular LOD mods.
LOD and texture mods don't need activating, typically you just load in new textures and meshes. for something like "better grass without tiling" you need to add a line to the ArchiveInvalidation.txt file.
if you care to read the first post of this thread you'll see i have linked in many sites and LOD texture mods.
go to beth's forums and have a read there. it's debatable whether some of the older ones make any difference since patch 1.2.
also read tweakguide (linked im main post) he has a bit to say on texture mods.
i doubt vista makes any diffence to what texture mods you use.
the higher the texture resolution increase the more video ram and faster system you need.
 
nope. beths forums?
i've never had any trouble with LOD texture mods. never run the game vanilla except for comparison testing.
the exact list i use is at the main post and the same as advised by TweakGuide.

*edit* according to tweakguide the latest patch versions do not alter texture resolution - just add pepper effect to distant lanscape.
therefore the list of texture mods he gives still stands. you'll want though the "noise reduction" texture fix as the vanilla pepper effect is a bit rubbish.
if you have any doubts look at the screenies i've posted thru this thread. (not including the armour mod pics). they are all with texture mods and a modified oblivion.ini file. my specs are in there somewhere too. post 111
 
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