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OcUK Comet Lake S review thread

Grim5 said:
Why is the 10400 so poor?
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It's a locked unit and you need to spend top cash on a z490 mobo to get even the memory unlocked. Otherwise it's going into a b460 board which pins the memory to 2933Mhz or something. Locked memory settings on those b460 boards. You get the stock intel cooler which is a bit garbage (amd stock cooler is a bit better but not a lot) Main issue is to run XMP ram speeds at 3000 or higher, you'll need z490 mobo and that's a lot of cash there.

just from a "unlocked memory capability" slant, you'd need :

10400 - £200
z490 mobo - £200 ish (The £150 z490 mobos are to be avoided as per Hardware unboxed)

that's £400 and it's the stock intel cooler


same 6 core 12 thread from AMD is the 3600


b450 - £130ish (unlocked memory board)
3600 - £180ish*

that's £310 and it's the stock AMD cooler

£90 difference and that makes the 10400 a poor choice.


*prices are OCUK but you can get cheaper elsewhere online
 
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So I've been checking out the reviews and benches the past week and let's be honest for gaming there hasn't been anything exciting in CPUs for 3-4 years now. When you look at FPS charts across the last few years of Intel and AMD chips there is not massive differences between them at all but nor has there been much in overall performance increases in games.
My hope is that as games use more cores and are designed around using more threads in the next-gen consoles to come this year we will see big improvements in higher core CPUs i.e. 8 plus. Only then would I consider upgrading from my 7700k 4c/8t which is still very close to 9700k and 10700k chips in gaming terms.

I think also the pricing Intel has for this gen is both surprising and is pretty poor compared to the AMD chips. A brand new build right now I would buy an AMD system simply because you can get the performance for gaming and workstation stuff at much cheaper pricing than Intel. I also agree with some that Intel marketing is simply better but AMD are improving with this and having the Ryzen product line I think Zen3 will see some massive gains on intel in all markets.

Overall no need to upgrade from 6th or 7th gen intel to this and like I say at the moment I would switch to AMD once the gaming improvements are seen more in core counts.

Edit: Also gaming at 1440p and 4K the CPU is even less relevant in terms of performance. All the CPUs are closer in FPS performance whether its AMD or Intel at those resolutions.
 
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bemaniac said:
A friend tried going 6700k to 9900KS to stop the 100%ing of Odyssey. 5.3ghz all core and it still hits 100% in the same areas. Only solution is turn volumetric clouds from ultra to very high (it looks the same). 10900k will be the same, you might get the GPU to run at 95%+ most of the time though.
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Yeah I had the same on my i7-7700k dropped two settings down (might have been clouds one of them) and it stopped 100% on cpu...sat around 60-80% and smooth 60fps @1440p. So spending all that money on that upgrade wasnt worth it then :)
 
Are these people completely ignoring the cost? The 10490F is faster than the 3600 and therefore it's better? What nonsense.

Taking the aftermarket cooler + motherboard cost into consideration, 10490F vs 3700X would be a better comparison. I know which I'd buy.
 
CuriousTomCat said:
Are these people completely ignoring the cost? The 10490F is faster than the 3600 and therefore it's better? What nonsense.

Taking the aftermarket cooler + motherboard cost into consideration, 10490F vs 3700X would be a better comparison. I know which I'd buy.
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a lot of reviews are just totally ignoring price, like intel costing 50% more money doesn't matter. These reviewers are as tone deaf as Intel, that's why AMD is beating Intel by a huge margin in nearly every desktop market
 
Grim5 said:
a lot of reviews are just totally ignoring price, like intel costing 50% more money doesn't matter. These reviewers are as tone deaf as Intel, that's why AMD is beating Intel by a huge margin in nearly every desktop market
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That's not really true though. Most would buy an aftermarket cooler for an AMD CPU and you can get a pretty decent one for not too much money. Yes AMD CPUs are much better priced and are better value for money but MB and coolers are about the same.

Edit: Actually didnt realise the CPUs are the same price too
 
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valerislysander said:
That's not really true though. Most would buy an aftermarket cooler for an AMD CPU and you can get a pretty decent one for not too much money. Yes AMD CPUs are much better priced and are better value for money but MB and coolers are about the same.

Edit: Actually didnt realise the CPUs are the same price too
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That's not correct. A 3900x cpu's comes with a cooler. You can upgrade the cooler but you don't have to. The 10900k doesn't come with a cooler, so you have to buy a cooler. And when you overclock you need a expensive cooler. Ryzen doesn't benefit that much from overclocking like Intel. So the story is: with amd you want a new cooler but with Intel you need a cooler. 150 euro in total more than the 3900x is something you shouldn't ignore.

But you are right about the 10400 from Intel. The stock cooler is enough. All other cpu from Intel you are better of with ryzen.
 
Pannalicour said:
That's not correct. A 3900x cpu's comes with a cooler. You can upgrade the cooler but you don't have to. The 10900k doesn't come with a cooler, so you have to buy a cooler. And when you overclock you need a expensive cooler. Ryzen doesn't benefit that much from overclocking like Intel. So the story is: with amd you want a new cooler but with Intel you need a cooler. 150 euro in total more than the 3900x is something you shouldn't ignore.

But you are right about the 10400 from Intel. The stock cooler is enough. All other cpu from Intel you are better of with ryzen.
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I did not realise 10900K came with no cooler at all so that is definitely got to be taken account off when looking at overall CPU prices as that is a definite additional cost. For me though I cannot remember the last time i used a stock cooler and I think most would want a decent air or AIO cooler which you can get for £100+.
I haven't used Ryzen at all, would you say the stock coolers are decent enough then in terms of temps and noise? Would most stick to the stock cooler? It's interesting as that is part of the CPU cost but for me stock coolers have never been good enough in terms of temps or noise.
 
valerislysander said:
I did not realise 10900K came with no cooler at all so that is definitely got to be taken account off when looking at overall CPU prices as that is a definite additional cost. For me though I cannot remember the last time i used a stock cooler and I think most would want a decent air or AIO cooler which you can get for £100+.
I haven't used Ryzen at all, would you say the stock coolers are decent enough then in terms of temps and noise? Would most stick to the stock cooler? It's interesting as that is part of the CPU cost but for me stock coolers have never been good enough in terms of temps or noise.
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If you don't overclock or turn on PBO the stock cooler is enough especially for gaming.
 
Intel Core i3 10320 £170

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valerislysander said:
I did not realise 10900K came with no cooler at all so that is definitely got to be taken account off when looking at overall CPU prices as that is a definite additional cost. For me though I cannot remember the last time i used a stock cooler and I think most would want a decent air or AIO cooler which you can get for £100+.
I haven't used Ryzen at all, would you say the stock coolers are decent enough then in terms of temps and noise? Would most stick to the stock cooler? It's interesting as that is part of the CPU cost but for me stock coolers have never been good enough in terms of temps or noise.
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Stock cooler is very good with AMD, quiet and cool. Prob less than 1-2% performance difference in games going to a AIO, the money would be better put towards a better GPU.
 
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