OcUK Intel Arc A750/A770 review thread

[Jimmy Weirdarms]

You're happy with this? you're happy with a card that is about equivalent to an RX 6600 which is $100 cheaper? You think that is good competition? And i presume you would be happy for Intel to continue in that overcharging vain?

How does that benefit us? How does Intel overcharging for their GPU's bring prices down?

It seems to perform better than a 6600xt, on average, from the reviews I was reading, not a base 6600, and is faster than the 6650xt in RT performance. I can see in the US there are a couple of 6650xt's on offer now under $300, so the value proposition is worse than those. For a gamer, yes you'd want to buy one of those AMD cards. Someone interested in ML might find the intel offers a better experience for the money though, because of the 16GB on it.

The point is they've entered the market with a roughly competent card that's broadly in line with current price/performance expectations. This is not earth shattering, but another company has entered the market and the card isn't just dog-slow or technologically irrelevant, which means there are now three players. This benefits us by introducing more competition, and it should add pressure to bring down prices even if it hasn't immediately 'nuked' the current market. I won't be considering actually buying one until their next generation comes out, as the current price/performance is not that compelling and they're late to the party with the 4 series/7 series due out any day now. But I will be hoping they carry on and deliver 'Battlemage' in a timely manner and more aggressively priced, because they've shown they are at least in the competition here, even though they aren't necessarily winning.

I'm not sure why this annoys you so much?

Personally, after the nvidia announcement, I'm in the market for a radeon 7xxx of some sort, pending launch announcement in a few weeks.

 

[MCFC_ANDY]

didnt work out great in real world, cant stand linus but decent vid showing real world use

 

[humbug]

It seems to perform better than a 6600xt, on average, from the reviews I was reading, not a base 6600, and is faster than the 6650xt in RT performance. I can see in the US there are a couple of 6650xt's on offer now under $300, so the value proposition is worse than those. For a gamer, yes you'd want to buy one of those AMD cards. Someone interested in ML might find the intel offers a better experience for the money though, because of the 16GB on it.

The point is they've entered the market with a roughly competent card that's broadly in line with current price/performance expectations. This is not earth shattering, but another company has entered the market and the card isn't just dog-slow or technologically irrelevant, which means there are now three players. This benefits us by introducing more competition, and it should add pressure to bring down prices even if it hasn't immediately 'nuked' the current market. I won't be considering actually buying one until their next generation comes out, as the current price/performance is not that compelling and they're late to the party with the 4 series/7 series due out any day now. But I will be hoping they carry on and deliver 'Battlemage' in a timely manner and more aggressively priced, because they've shown they are at least in the competition here, even though they aren't necessarily winning.

I'm not sure why this annoys you so much?

Personally, after the nvidia announcement, I'm in the market for a radeon 7xxx of some sort, pending launch announcement in a few weeks.

Are you reading your own post back to your self? "A better experience" "Better performance than a 6600XT"

Even if it was working as well and as trouble free as those cited Radeon cards, which it doesn't, and faster than the 6600XT, which it isn't, its more expensive, quite a bit more expensive, "oh but it has better RT" you're using the same reasoning many do to justify Nvidia's inflated prices, which is exactly why as you see it there is no competition in the market and why people are begging for a third player, you think it will bring Nvidia's absurd prices down.
But here you are now doing exactly the same thing now for Intel, who are you trying to kid? yourself or me?

We have competition in the market, you just don't want it.

 

[humbug]

Its over priced, you want competition, don't encourage them, you said it yourself, AMD have dropped the prices on the 6600XT, THAT is a competitor wanting to compete. "Oh but Intel worth more" For #### Sake!

 

[Jimmy Weirdarms]

Are you reading your own post back to your self? "A better experience" "Better performance than a 6600XT"

Even if it was working as well and as trouble free as those cited Radeon cards, which it doesn't, and faster than the 6600XT, which it isn't, its more expensive, quite a bit more expensive, "oh but it has better RT" you're using the same reasoning many do to justify Nvidia's inflated prices, which is exactly why as you see it there is no competition in the market and why people are begging for a third player, you think it will bring Nvidia's absurd prices down.
But here you are now doing exactly the same thing now for Intel, who are you trying to kid? yourself or me?

We have competition in the market, you just don't want it.

Wow you're angry, irrational and partisan.

The reviews linked at the top of the thread put the performance where I said it was. I'm sorry if that upsets you for some reason. It *does* have better RT than AMD's current gen at similar price points. I'm sure that's not something you care about but others do, I'm not sure why that would make you angry.

I didn't say there was no competition in the present market, nor did I express a wish to buy nvidia. Quite the opposite, I even said the AMD was the one to buy for a gamer and I'm interested in the 7xxx series launch. I'm not sure who *you're* trying to kid, or what post you think *you're* replying to, but it's not my issue. I suggest popping a valium and looking forward to the end of the working week with a nice cup of tea before you give yourself an aneurysm.

 

[humbug]

Wow you're angry, irrational and wrong.

The reviews linked at the top of the thread put the performance where I said it was. I'm sorry if that upsets you for some reason. It *does* have better RT than AMD's current gen at similar price points. I'm sure that's not something you care about but others do, I'm not sure why that would make you angry.

I didn't say there was no competition in the present market, nor did I express a wish to buy nvidia. I'm not sure who *you're* trying to kid, or what post you think you're replying to, but it's not my issue. I suggest popping a valium and looking forward to the end of the working week with a nice cup of tea before you give yourself an aneurysm.

I think most people are looking for a card that just works, let me ask you something, would you be willing to recommend this card to a friend who isn't as adept at trouble shooting hardware problems as you are?

Yeah it has better RT than the 6600XT, it can be as good as the RTX 3060, good here though is relative, i have an RTX 2070 Super, it has RT, at the level of performance its at its utterly useless, the RTX 3060, which is the benchmark here for RT, is not a whole lot better, its not enough to make it what i would call a native RT card so the A770 certainly isn't.

Why can't you admit its over priced? When you say its good competition how do you define that?

 

[humbug]

I just double checked, my GPU is better at RT than the benchmark card, and i don't use it, because its just not powerful enough.

Oh dear...

 

[Jimmy Weirdarms]

would you be willing to recommend this card to a friend who isn't as adept at trouble shooting hardware problems as you are?

I didn't recommend it to anyone. I've seen ML folks on other sites excited about that amount of vram at the price though.

When you say its good competition how do you define that?

A third major player in the market that is able to produce vaguely competitive hardware. This is good for market health even if you don't want one. I don't want one!

 

[diamount]

A third major player in the market that is able to produce vaguely competitive hardware. This is good for market health even if you don't want one. I don't want one!

Somebody's gotta want one for them to shift units lol

 

[Jimmy Weirdarms]

Somebody's gotta want one for them to shift units lol

Fingers crossed those AI folks have deep pockets then

 

[humbug]

I didn't recommend it to anyone. I've seen ML folks on other sites excited about that amount of vram at the price though.



A third major player in the market that is able to produce vaguely competitive hardware. This is good for market health even if you don't want one. I don't want one!

Which is ironic because when it came to making the VRam argument for AMD pretty much everyone dismissed it out of hand and the RTX 3060 with 12GB isn't short of that, do we now need 16GB in the mid tier now that Intel have that? is 12GB let alone 8GB now not enough? Apparently 10GB was enough for the RTX 3080, a far more powerful card, can we now admit that's not enough?

I asked you if you would, not if you did.

The thing is if you wouldn't recommend it, and i think you're sensible enough not to, then the whole competition argument falls flat on its face, its got to be worth buying for it to be competitive.

 

[Jimmy Weirdarms]

do we now need 16GB in the mid tier now that Intel have that?

Some people do, some don't.

Apparently 10GB was enough for the RTX 3080, a far more powerful card, can we now admit that's not enough?

I have no particular interest in defending nvidia there, nor making a case that 16GB on the intel card is needed for mid-tier gaming. It's good for large image and language models though.

its got to be worth buying for it to be competitive.

It will be for some uses, and if the drivers stabilise then it may gain some momentum in gaming, especially if prices drop (which they might have to if it doesn't sell). I don't think intel will drop out of the market before they release a second generation anyway, which is where I see it getting more interesting. For now it's good news that there is another company that are entering the market and (AFAICT) their initial entry isn't a total clown-car failure, as it sits between various existing cards, roughly priced in proportion to performance *even if you think it's **** value compared to AMD, which I am not trying to argue against*. It doesn't have to win for it to be a positive thing that it exists.

 

[humbug]

I think it is worth buying, i would recommend it with a well explained caveat that it will give its potential buyer headaches, at $250 and not a penny more, because at that price the performance at least, overall, is pretty good, and if people understand its problems and are willing to put up with them its good because its at a performance level that is otherwise out of their budget reach.

At $350 i can't recomend it at all to anyone, there are better and cheaper cards than it to recommend.

their initial entry isn't a total clown-car failure

Vega was a clown-car launch, the same tech channels that are now trying to big up ARC to this day are treating Vega as a joke, the LTT channel was doing it live on stream just last night, ARC is a product from the same team that crapped out Vega, and it has all of the same problems only turned up to 11.

 

[humbug]

I think what people need to realise is if Intel are not willing to sell these at a price that makes sense then they are NOT serious about their long term future in Discrete Gaming GPU's.

 

[Aretak]

didnt work out great in real world, cant stand linus but decent vid showing real world use

Yeah, pretty brutal stuff for Arc at times from what I saw skipping around using the time stamps in the comments. Even games as basic as Rocket League or Halo: MCC were struggling. The latter was hitting ~25fps at times when the 3060 was running it at a locked 120fps. It basically seems to be a complete crapshoot whether any given game is going to be playable or not, regardless of how demanding they are.

 

[willhub]

These cards are terrible terrible GPUs it has to be said, you should be able to play any game you want without problems.

 

[RavenXXX2]

Yeah, can't see gamers buying these, tech enthusiasts maybe.

 

[Darujhistan]

And to no-one surprise they're garbage.

 

[uscool]

Still looks like it's in beta so wouldn't wanna be the early adopter would choose AMD option guess we know why they decided to ignore AMD in the intel slides and does RT even matter on lower tier cards

 

[SpellowHouse]

Graphics cards are like Climate Change!

It's always struck me that people want competition for NVIDIA, but not so they can buy the competition, rather to keep buying NVIDIA but paying less. The same way they want everyone to change their carbon footprint - so they can continue doing what they do without change.

I dunno. It just seems to me that what I am hearing here is people talking themselves in to NOT buying intel. Reality is they already decided long ago.