OcUK Intel Arc A750/A770 review thread

[Paracelsus]

For a first (well, in recent history) entry into the GPU market I'm quite impressed TBH.
Remains to be seen how the drivers evolve of course, but the raw performance is clearly there, to be tussling with the 3060 etc is great.
If they keep this up and sort the drivers out then we could finally be looking at a 3-player market - great for buyers.

 

[KompuKare]

Somebody's gotta want one for them to shift units lol

Yes, Catch-22: those in the know won't buy them because they are buggy as hell, have poor perf/watt etc. Which only leaves... well let me reply to this the next comment.

Fingers crossed those AI folks have deep pockets then

I think it is far more likely most of these will up in OEM pre-build systems. Pity the customers of pre-builds but let's just say their next gaming-capable device might be a console!

I'm sure Intel can offer some incentive to OEMs or if that fails they can refert to form and twist enough OEM arms to force the OEMs to buy them.

I'm sure some AI people will buy them, if for no other reason than to try out the Intel software stack and since Intel are the late entrant they probably don't disable that much on their cards yet. However, I doubt that AI will add much volume.

BTW, when the rumours of Intel going with TSMC for their dGPUs first surfaced some said it was also a play to deny TSMC's other customers (mainly AMD) wafers. That view might have merit now, but on the other hand if TSMC took Intel's money and build out more capacity and now Intel don't need that much volume: well maybe Intel's competitors can use those wafers instead? That would be a delicious bit of Schadenfreude.

 

[queamin]

Intel have been around almost 55 years, they aren't a new start up company, they are one of the biggest company's out there, no way they should have so many bugs in their drivers for DX12, (DX9,11, I can give them a pass some what if they had driver fixed for games that are still popular even now like CSGO and the like that are still played a lot).

This is what you get for employing who (saying this nicey) was let go from AMD.

I would never get a card from Intel unless they can prove to me over time that they can sort out drivers and bugs quickly and support products years after they got released with updated Drivers as this is what worries me that they would just give up on drivers for products after a year or 2.

 

[KompuKare]

Intel have been around almost 55 years, they aren't a new start up company, they are one of the biggest company's out there, no way they should have so many bugs in their drivers for DX12, (DX9,11, I can give them a pass some what if they had driver fixed for games that are still popular even now like CSGO and the like that are still played a lot).

This is what you get for employing who (saying this nicey) was let go from AMD.

I would never get a card from Intel unless they can prove to me over time that they can sort out drivers and bugs quickly and support products years after they got released with updated Drivers as this is what worries me that they would just give up on drivers for products after a year or 2.

But it's not like Intel don't have form for abandoning stuff. Even with networking where lots of people swear by Intel, I had issues with their WiFi drivers (yes, I know networking enthusiasts don't consider WiFi to be real networking) where a ~2 or newer ThinkPad T540P had an Intel WiFi card whose Win10 driver was broken and at the time Lenovo and Intel said there would be no new drivers (for a card which they sold upto about a year before). I downgraded to a Realtek card and ever looked back but eventually Intel relented and it looks like it was eventually fixed. Still, not a good sign and remember for laptops the Intel WiFi cards usually cost extra. At least Intel simply failed with their cellular modems so nobody really had to suffer their software support!

 

[Freddie1980]

I really don't mind Intel using an emulation layer for DX9 or older titles, most of those games by now don't require even lower mid range cards to run at 60 FPS. For me when it comes to older titles it's more about stability of if it works or not on newer architectures. DX11 is a bit awkward though, there are still games coming out today using that API and many game engines that have been updated to be DX12 compatible are still based on DX11 at the backend, Intel really needs to look at DX11 and take it a bit more seriously IMO.

Had the A770 came out last year at this price I would have seriously considered it over a 6600XT (which set me back nearly £400) if only for the novelty of having a PC running an AMD CPU and an Intel GPU. I don't play games as often as I used to and this card seems pretty decent and would suit my needs at a price that's affordable.

 

[Ultamatum]

Seeing a lot of repeating history here.

Just like with Google Stadia, a new competition enters the market (with some very normal and true teething problems) nobody buys it because it's not competitive enough, down the line it'll improve, it'll be too little too late, it'll get canned.

Exact same thing will happen here, unless people are willing to put their money down battlemage will more than likely be the end of ARC.

Everyone wants competition until the competition shows up.

These problems are to be expected they've never really made dedicated GPUs before, it's how long it takes them to work on these issues that matters.

 

[MCFC_ANDY]

would say back to drawing board, but can see intel binning the whole gpu saga tbh, its a dog with flees, there are some great results in some games, but a lot are a horrible mess, AMD were known to produce some really messed up drivers in past, but intel seem intent on taking that crown

 

[Purgatory]

 

[hiroofheroes]

I'd imagine the OEM pricing is even more aggressive just to get the cards out there and collecting data.

You have to imagine there's a lot of low hanging fruit that the software team can work on, but also hardware inefficiencies that were only picked up with finished silicon that will resolved on subsequent generations.

I honestly believe this is a surprisingly good base to build on, but it's also clearly an unfinished product.

I'm tempted to pick one up as a curio, but I doubt it'll be consistently challenging a 3070 even after months of driver updates, much less the next gen mid range parts, so I can't really argue the logic of purchasing one.

 

[arknor]

I'd imagine the OEM pricing is even more aggressive just to get the cards out there and collecting data.

but then AMD will complain about "dodgy practices" like always

 

[humbug]

but then AMD will complain about "dodgy practices" like always

Intel are still very much on that path, AMD don't complain about it, and i hope Intel keep it up.

Datacentre
In Q2 of 2021 Intel earned $5.5 Billion in revenue, out of that they earned $2.1 Billion net profit, that's 38%
In Q2 of 2022 Intel earned $4.6 Billion in revenue, out of that they earned $0.2 Billion net profit, that's 4%

In Q2 of 2022 AMD earned $1.486 Billion in revenue, out of that they earned $0.472 Billion net profit, that's 32%

Intel are trying to deny AMD sales in Datacentre, by practically giving their chips away, despite this Intel lost revenue and market share, Intel earned $200 Million profit from 4.6 Billion, that's 4%. AMD's revenue was only about $1.49 Billion, but from that they earned nearly $500 Million profit, 32%.

I mean, sure, keep it up Intel, i'll give you $20 for your useless X86 IP when you go bust.