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Core i9 13900K

Intel Core i9-13900K review: defender of the faith | Club386

When in doubt, bring more cores and threads to the performance table.

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Intel Core i5-13600K Review - Best Gaming CPU

Core i5-13600K is a gamer's dream! The new processor achieves gaming numbers that match the best AMD Zen 4 offerings, at a much more competitive $320 price point. Our review also shows that 13600K can shine in applications, beating the much higher positioned Core i7-12700K.

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Intel Core i9-13900K review

It's been a processor series that has seen leaks, performance reviews and what not. But finally today Intel unleashes its new Rocket Lake based CPU architecture; we start off with the review of the C...

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Intel Core i9-13900K Review - KitGuru

Lionel Richie nailed it when he sang the words 'Well, my friends, the time has come, to raise the ro

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Intel Core i9-13900K "Raptor Lake" – effekttörstig tronföljare - Test

Kort efter Ryzen 7000 svarar Intel upp med "Raptor Lake", som med reglagen uppskruvade till max ska återta prestandatronen.

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Intel Core i9-13900K Processor Review - Intel Back On Top - PC Perspective

Intel Core i9-13900K Processor Review - Intel Back On Top Intel's 13th Gen Core processors are here, and we will take a look at the new flagship part with

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Core i7 13700K

Intel Core i7 13700K Review

Raptor Lake is here and to start off our extensive coverage of the 13th generation of processors, we’re doing things a little differently. While I’m sure lots of media outlets are taking a look at the…

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Core i5 13600K

Intel Core i5-13600K Review - Best Gaming CPU

Core i5-13600K is a gamer's dream! The new processor achieves gaming numbers that match the best AMD Zen 4 offerings, at a much more competitive $320 price point. Our review also shows that 13600K can shine in applications, beating the much higher positioned Core i7-12700K.

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Intel Core i5-13600K review

Okay, so you really need to check out this Raptor Lake processor; the Core i5 13600K has six performance cores and eight energy-efficient ones. Meaning you'll have plenty of multi-threaded performanc...

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Intel Core i5-13600K – test procesora. AMD ma problem

Intel Core i5-13600K – test procesora w zestawieniu m.in. z Core i5-12600K i Ryzen 7 7700X. Sprawdź, czy Raptor Lake to dobry wybór.

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Group tests

Intel Core i9-13900K and i5-13600K Review: Raptor Lake Brings More Bite

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Core i9-13900K, i7-13700K & i5-13600K: Gaming-Könige im Test

Intel Raptor Lake ist da. Im ausführlichen Test treten Core i9-13900K, i7-13700K und i5-13600K gegen AMD Ryzen 7000 mit Zen-4-Kernen an.

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Intel Core i9-13900K, i7-13700K und i5-13600K im Test: Befreiungsschlag für den Chipriesen

Intel Core i9-13900K, Core i7-13700K und Core i5-13600K bei PCGH im Benchmark-Test. Schneller als Ryzen 7000? Die beste Wahl für den Gaming-PC?

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Intel Core i9-13900K and Core i5-13600K Review - Showdown of the 13th Generation and a 3/4 Crown for the last big Monolith | igor´sLAB

With Raptor Lake, Intel now also ends the era of monolithic processors. This of course comes with another decent performance boost and it will be the purpose of this review to compare the new CPUs…

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Intel Raptor Lake – Part II – Intel Core i9 13900K & Intel Core i5 13600K

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Intel Core i9-13900K & Core i5-13600K Review: Raptor Lake Roars

More cores, more cache, higher frequencies, and a refined design and manufacturing process boost the performance of Intel's 13th Gen Core processors

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Intel Core i9-13900K e Core i5-13600K alla prova: più E-core e frequenza fanno la differenza

A un anno da Alder Lake, Intel propone una nuova gamma di CPU nome in codice Raptor Lake. Compatibili con le piattaforme LGA 1700 con chipset della serie 600, le nuove proposte Core di 13a generazione puntano sull'aumento del numero di core e delle frequenze di picco per offrire ancora maggiori...

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Der Dino Intel ist noch nicht ausgestorben: Core i9-13900K und Core i5-13600K im Test - Hardwareluxx

Der Dino Intel ist noch nicht ausgestorben: Core i9-13900K und Core i5-13600K im Test.

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Test • Intel Core i9-13900K, Core i7-13700K, Core i5-13600K & Z790

Les Core i9-13900K & 13600K ainsi que leur chipset compagnon Z790 passent à la moulinette : comparaison avec les précédentes générations de processeurs sur des jeux, encodage, traitement d'image et vidéo, rendu 3D, compression, encryptage, compilation et divers benchmarks synthétiques et...

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Intel Core i9-13900K and Core i5-13600K Review: Raptor Lake Beats Ryzen 7000

The Raptors are out of the cage!

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Intel Core i9 13900K and Core i5 13600K review: an effective redoubt against AMD's Ryzen 7000 advances

Digital Foundry tests the Intel Core i9 13900K and Core i5 13600K, two Raptor Lake processors that offer more cores, higher clocks and winning results.

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Image editing tests

13th Gen Intel Core Processors Content Creation Review

Following AMDs recent release of their Ryzen 7000 Series desktop processors, Intel is fighting back with their own launch of the Core 13th Gen processors (code named "Raptor Lake"). Unlike AMD's launch which moved to a new socket and added support for DDR5, the 13th Gen CPUs are a drop-in...

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Test • Intel Core i9-13900K, Core i7-13700K, Core i5-13600K & Z790

Les Core i9-13900K & 13600K ainsi que leur chipset compagnon Z790 passent à la moulinette : comparaison avec les précédentes générations de processeurs sur des jeux, encodage, traitement d'image et vidéo, rendu 3D, compression, encryptage, compilation et divers benchmarks synthétiques et...

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Tests at 65W and undervolting

Intel Core i9-13900K vs. AMD Ryzen 9 7950X at 125W and 65W | Club386

Prefer to keep temperature and power consumption down to lower levels this winter? Here's what happens when the best CPUs are scaled back.

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Testing and Tuning the new 13900K for Efficiency

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DDR4 vs DDR5

Intel 13600K and 13900K DDR4 vs DDR5 Showdown - OC3D

Introduction Any new technology is going to come with a hefty adoption cost, and the Z790 and Intel 13th Generation of processors is no exception. However, during our time with the various motherboards we had on hand we noted that a few of them support DDR4 rather than demand you invest in DDR5...

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Gaming-Benchmarks: Intel Core i5-13600K mit DDR5 und DDR4 im Vergleich

ComputerBase liefert Spiele-Benchmarks des Intel Core i5-13600K mit DDR4-3200CL14 und DDR4-3600CL14 im Vergleich zu DDR5-5600CL32 nach.

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Linux tests

Intel Core i5 13600K + Core i9 13900K "Raptor Lake" Linux Preview Review - Phoronix

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Video reviews

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300W Intel Core i9-13900K CPU Review & Benchmarks: Power, Gaming, Production

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Intel Takes the Throne: i5-13600K CPU Review & Benchmarks vs. AMD Ryzen

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The Sensible Option - Core i7-13700K vs. Ryzen 7 7700X, Benchmarks, Power & Thermals

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AMD Needs To Cut Prices - Intel Core i5-13600K vs. R5 7600X, Benchmarks, Power & Thermals

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Hardware Canucks

i9-13900K Review vs Ryzen 9 7950X - The Fastest CPU in 2022

The Intel i9-13900K and Ryzen 9 7950X are the best processors you can get for gaming and productivity right now in 2022. But is there a winner especially wh...

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Tech Deals

Which $300 CPU Should You Buy? — i5-13600K vs Ryzen 5 7600X — 14 Cores vs 6 Cores

i5-13600 vs R5 7600X - The battle of the next gen CPUs is here! - 14 Cores vs 6 Cores— Expand the Video Description for More Info —Ryzen 5 7600X Review - htt...

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Optimum Tech

New Intel 13900K & 13600K - HUGE Power

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Intel wins... but at what cost? - 13900K Review & Benchmarks

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i9-13900K Vs. Ryzen 9 7950X - What is the BEST Gaming and Workstation CPU?

Is Intel's i9-13900K the BEST Gaming, Workstation CPU to get vs The Ryzen 9 7950X? Let's compare vs the Ryzen 7 5800X3D, i9-12900K and i5-12600K! Though I th...

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i5-13600K - GREAT Value CPU for Gaming. (Vs. 5800X3D and 12600K)

Intel turns it up with the i5-13600K review, considering the Ryzen 7 5800X3D or the i5-12600K instead? Well today we compare this CPU to the aforementioned a...

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Intel's 13900k Faster AND cheaper?? Oh my...

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Testing and Tuning the new 13900K for Efficiency

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Intel Core i9-13900K Review - 23 Games, 1080p, 1440p, 4K (vs Ryzen 9 7900X, i9-12900K)

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We were afraid to publish this video – Intel 13th Gen Review

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The Core i5 13600K thrashes a Ryzen 5 7600 and Ryzen 7 7700X in Photolab and Lightroom:

Test • Intel Core i9-13900K, Core i7-13700K, Core i5-13600K & Z790

Les Core i9-13900K & 13600K ainsi que leur chipset compagnon Z790 passent à la moulinette : comparaison avec les précédentes générations de processeurs sur des jeux, encodage, traitement d'image et vidéo, rendu 3D, compression, encryptage, compilation et divers benchmarks synthétiques et...

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13th Gen Intel Core Processors Content Creation Review

Following AMDs recent release of their Ryzen 7000 Series desktop processors, Intel is fighting back with their own launch of the Core 13th Gen processors (code named "Raptor Lake"). Unlike AMD's launch which moved to a new socket and added support for DDR5, the 13th Gen CPUs are a drop-in...

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Even in Adobe After Effects,the Core i5 13600K holds it's own against the Ryzen 7 7700X. Even in gaming the Core i5 13600K holds its own against the Ryzen 5 7600 and Ryzen 7 7700X,and it is compatible with DDR4 and can use cheaper motherboards too.

 

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They are using 5600MT/s vs 5200MT/s ^^^^



The 5800X3D is currently £420, the 13600K is £380.

The 7600X tho is £320 and only 8% behind the 13900K, suddenly that looks quite good.

The Core i5 13600KF is only about 10% more expensive than a Ryzen 5 7600X. It's faster in many non-gaming benchmarks and is competitive in gaming too. You can also use it in cheaper DDR4 motherboards too,if you don't mind loosing some performance. In terms of gaming its not that much slower than the Core i9 13900K.

It's no wonder when the big cores of the Ryzen 5 7600X and Core i5 13600KF,are not that far apart in performance,but the latter has 8 Skylake level "smaller" cores that can help out. It's like have a downclocked Core i7 9700 just on the side.

The Ryzen 5 7600X is just too expensive,and the Ryzen 7 7700X needs a price cut too. The Core i9 13900K is just laughable TBH!

 

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Bearing in mind the huge AM4 userbase there is a lot of potential sales there, all people who wouldn't be then buying Intel for some years to come. Power equals heat and I'll sacrifice some performance to save a lot of heat. Seems obvious Intel have pushed the 13900K beyond its most efficient point to get results in reviews.

It reminds me of this episode of The Raccoons:

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The DDR4 argument doesn't make sense if you lose performance, either its better performance value or it isn't. I mean a Ryzen 5600, + 16GB of 3600MT/s Ram and a decent motherboard costs the same just the 13600KF alone and is still a good gaming CPU.

The 7600X IS too expensive i agree, all i'm saying is Raptorlake is also not cheap, make the 7600X £250 or bring a 7600 None X for that amount to the table and the dynamic changes.

I was looking at one of the comparisons,and the Core i5 13600K seems to lose at best about 10% in games,but then at the same token a Core i5 12600KF is under £300 too. Apparently the Core i5 13400F is essentially a Core i5 12600K.

The big issue is AMD charging too much for a core deficit. The Ryzen 7 7700X should be under £400,and the Ryzen 5 7600X under £300,especially as the Ryzen 9 7900X is under £600 and the Ryzen 9 7950X is under £800. The Ryzen 5 7600X and Ryzen 7 7700X cost far more per core than either of the Ryzen 9 CPUs. They did this same nonsense with the Ryzen 5 5600X and Ryzen 7 5800X. The Ryzen 9 CPUs were cheaper per core.

The issue is AMD is charging so much for a Ryzen 5 7600X and Ryzen 7 7700X,it makes a Core i5 13600KF look good value. It's as fast for gaming,and get's close to a Ryzen 7 7700X in non-gaming applications. It appears the meme cores make a difference!

 

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I don't disagree with any of that, again its not the argument i'm making.

16GB 3600MT/s: £80

B550M Motherboard: £80

Ryzen 5600: £189

Total: £349

13600KF: £356

12600KF: £309

Do you think those things are cheap?

The per core pricing of the Ryzen 5 CPUs is higher than a Ryzen 7 7900X or Ryzen 9 7950X. A Ryzen 7 7600X should be £290 and a Ryzen 7 7700X should be £385 if the per core pricing was the same. If anything being lower level SKUs with probably worse quality chiplets they should be closer to £250 and £350. But by setting it so high,Intel get's an easy "win" by charging a bit more than a Ryzen 5 7600X.

It also worries me as AM4 motherboards are slowing starting to disappear and go up in price too. Just look at what you could get for £100 six months ago. This is the dGPU market all over again.

At this point I might eventually get a laptop,and use a console. The tech companies just are getting way too greedy now. Nvidia does not even care anymore.

 

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I'm talking about a gaming CPU, you don't need those cores for gaming, in fact if anything they are a hindrance to 12 and 13 gen, you would do better in turning them E cores off.

But in my case I don't just game - I do other things too and I can see that in the benchmarks. Now AMD decided a pure six core is over £300 and their pure eight core is over £400,Intel feels it can make its Core i5 cost slightly more and gets an easy win. Not surprising when AMD is pricing their six and eight cores at a higher premium over their 12 and 16 core CPUs.

So now essentially we are back to six core CPUs costing £300+ just like with the old Core i7 8700K. It appears if we want to get generational performance improvements,we pay more for it just like dGPUs.

Like with dGPUs,none of them want to compete with each other,just raise their prices by putting products in between each other. What Intel,Nvidia and AMD need is too lose billions more in revenue(they already are),and then realise the pandemic was a one off situation.

 

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And now we have a £400 6 core CPU are you're happy with that.

I was never happy with a £300 Six Core, my arguments are completely consistent.

Who are these CPU's for? they are not for creative types, previously someone who isn't looking to buy the best GPU's would be looking for a CPU around £200, we used to get pretty good CPU's for around £200, the 2500K and many generations after that from both sides, for example, that then became £300, as you said not good, now its £350, the ones tech journalists are gearing up to call the-best-CPU-in-that-category-ever is near £400.

Have we collectivity lost our minds?

"Oh but E cores"..... and the first thing you should do when you get your £400 gaming CPU is turn those things off!

AMD is the one jacking up per core pricing of the Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 7 relative to the Ryzen 9. Using Ryzen 9 prices the Ryzen 5 7600X should be £290 and the Ryzen 7 7700X should be £385.

AMD is the company which is selling a Ryzen 5 7600X for £320. AMD is the one selling a Ryzen 7 7700X for £420. AMD was the one selling a Ryzen 5 5600X for £300(when a Core i5 10600K was well under £300) and AMD was the one selling a Ryzen 5 5800X for well over £400. People on here made repeated excuses for AMD jacking up the prices of CPUs with Zen3 and I argued with so many of you - it's only a problem when Intel do it(and actually offer more than AMD).

The Core i5 13600KF is £350. The reality,is that it is a 6 core with 8 smaller cores. It is a 14 core CPU.It is literally 8 Skylake cores added on top. That is what many don't seem to get.AMD is selling CPUs with less cores for similar money or more money. The Ryzen 5 7600X and Ryzen 7 7700X are massively overpriced.

Guess what? Not all of us game only. Some of us also might stream or screen record during gaming - those Skylake cores make a difference.

In gaming,even without the E-cores,the Ryzen 5 7600X and Ryzen 7 7700X are beaten/matched by the Core i5 13600k:

Intel Core i5-13600K review

Okay, so you really need to check out this Raptor Lake processor; the Core i5 13600K has six performance cores and eight energy-efficient ones. Meaning you'll have plenty of multi-threaded performanc... Performance - Gaming RTX 3090 - 1920x1080 (Full HD)

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Intel Core i5-13600K Review - Best Gaming CPU

Core i5-13600K is a gamer's dream! The new processor achieves gaming numbers that match the best AMD Zen 4 offerings, at a much more competitive $320 price point. Our review also shows that 13600K can shine in applications, beating the much higher positioned Core i7-12700K.

www.techpowerup.com

Intel Core i9-13900K and Core i5-13600K Review: Raptor Lake Beats Ryzen 7000

The Raptors are out of the cage!

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That is with the E-cores active.

Then in productivity those 8,make the Core i5 13600K destroy a Ryzen 5 7600X and in many cases a Ryzen 7 7700X(see my next post).The reality the Core i5 13600KF is the fastest gaming CPU in many games under £450,and probably the fastest productivity CPU.

Who allowed Intel to price a "hybrid" 6 core CPU starting at £350? AMD did by pricing a weaker six core CPU for £320 and then pricing a weaker eight core CPU for £420. Then on top of this making the Zen4 CPUs not compatible with DDR4. All these Intel CPUs can be used with cheaper DDR4 motherboards,and can be dropped into B660 and Z690 motherboards.

 

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Now let's look at productivity benchmarks agains a Ryzen 7 7700X. Puget Systems is a good start:

13th Gen Intel Core Processors Content Creation Review

Following AMDs recent release of their Ryzen 7000 Series desktop processors, Intel is fighting back with their own launch of the Core 13th Gen processors (code named "Raptor Lake"). Unlike AMD's launch which moved to a new socket and added support for DDR5, the 13th Gen CPUs are a drop-in...

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I only posted some of the benchmarks,but in the Puget Systems benchmarks,consistently the Core i5 13600K beats the Ryzen 5 7600X and Ryzen 7 7700X in all the image editing/video encoding scores. It even beats a Ryzen 9 5900X and Ryzen 9 5950X in many cases too,including video editing! In 3D rendering it beats a Ryzen 7 7700X and the Ryzen 9 5900X.

You can see the same here:

Test • Intel Core i9-13900K, Core i7-13700K, Core i5-13600K & Z790

Les Core i9-13900K & 13600K ainsi que leur chipset compagnon Z790 passent à la moulinette : comparaison avec les précédentes générations de processeurs sur des jeux, encodage, traitement d'image et vidéo, rendu 3D, compression, encryptage, compilation et divers benchmarks synthétiques et...

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Even here,in a mix of image editing,video encoding and rendering benchmarks the Core i5 13600K is beating a Ryzen 5 7600X,Ryzen 7 7700X and Ryzen 9 5900X by decent amounts.

Then there is the DF review:

Intel Core i9 13900K and Core i5 13600K review: an effective redoubt against AMD's Ryzen 7000 advances

Digital Foundry tests the Intel Core i9 13900K and Core i5 13600K, two Raptor Lake processors that offer more cores, higher clocks and winning results.

www.eurogamer.net

In their gaming results the Ryzen 5 7600X is beaten,and again it's massively beaten by the Core i5 13600K in non-gaming results. Even the Ryzen 9 5950X is only slightly ahead in their video encoding results!

Guru3D shows the same trends:

Intel Core i5-13600K review

Okay, so you really need to check out this Raptor Lake processor; the Core i5 13600K has six performance cores and eight energy-efficient ones. Meaning you'll have plenty of multi-threaded performanc... Performance - Content Creation Blender / Cinebench R23

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They run a lot of 3D renderers,and in all of them the Core i5 13600K is faster than a Ryzen 7 7700X. It seems to trade blows with a Ryzen 9 5900X,which is over £400.

Then look at TPU:

Intel Core i5-13600K Review - Best Gaming CPU

Core i5-13600K is a gamer's dream! The new processor achieves gaming numbers that match the best AMD Zen 4 offerings, at a much more competitive $320 price point. Our review also shows that 13600K can shine in applications, beating the much higher positioned Core i7-12700K.

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Consistently the Core i5 13600K seems to trade blows or is faster in most benchmarks than the Ryzen 7 7700X and Ryzen 9 5900X.

People might want to mock the E cores,but they since they are Skylake level,they are helping boost performance in non-gaming scenarios a lot. Overclock3D tests performance with DDR4:

Intel 13600K and 13900K DDR4 vs DDR5 Showdown - OC3D

Video Encoding If you thought 3D rendering didn’t have much to differentiate the two setups then the video encoding is so close it might as well be the same. Sometimes no result is still a result. Â Â Â Â

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At most in their gaming and non-gaming tests you are loosing about 10% performance. So that means even for many productivity benchmarks,the Core i5 13600K is still going to look really solid.

The reality is the Core i5 13600K is a productivity monster too,and the Core i5 13600KF is only £30 more than a Ryzen 5 7600X and significantly cheaper than either a Ryzen 7 7700X or Ryzen 9 5900X or Ryzen 9 5950X. Plus you can use a DDR4 motherboard too(even if it costs you some extra performance).

Plus you could argue the Core i5 13600K draws more power in productivity benchmarks than a Ryzen 5 7600X,but the extra speed help's its effciency.



But we also know in gaming capping the CPUs to lower TDPs,probably won't affect performance that much in gaming:

Intel Core i9-13900K vs. AMD Ryzen 9 7950X at 125W and 65W | Club386

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You are also looking at the best productivity CPU under £400~£450:

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To be fair AMD just want to be paid inline with Intel. Intel were never going to come down to meet AMD. The only thing that will bring prices down will be consumers not buying "overpriced" products. I expect in the next few years as belts tighten this will happen. Initially they will try to keep prices high and sell less volume but I think they will eventually have to relent. A big issue for AMD gaining market share is if they make their offering too good they wouldn't have the volume. This is not investment advice

I am personally not interested in a Core i5 13600KF at its current price either but what I am trying to point out,that it's still better value than any of the lower level Zen4 parts,and not by a small amount in non-gaming scenarios too.

I agree people should hold their purchases - but look at my previous post. People are just looking at the meme level Core i9 13900K. But look at even the productivity benchmarks of the Core i5 13600K/Core i5 13600KF?

Intel is offering far more than AMD is between £300~£450. Coupled with the fact you are not seeing a massive performance drop with decent DDR4 kit,also makes the lower end Zen4 CPUs not worth it in comparison. But if the Ryzen 5 7600X and Ryzen 7 7700X were priced inline with the Ryzen 9 CPUs,they should be £290 and £385 respectively. The Core i5 13600KF would be cheaper too. Intel is pricing the Core i5 13600KF 10% higher because it's faster than the Ryzen 5 7600X in gaming and destroys it in productivity benchmarks - even the £420 Ryzen 7 7700X finds it hard to compete.

They are pricing this relative to the Ryzen 7 7700X,because of its performance.

But we saw last generation,when Intel brought out the Core i5 12600K/Core i5 12600KF. It thrashed the Ryzen 5 5600x in productivity and was a bit faster overall in gaming.

It took ages for AMD to drop pricing. The problem is AMD needs to drop pricing for the lower end Zen4 parts. The Ryzen 5 7600X needs to be £250. The Ryzen 7 7700X needs to be £330ish(similar price per core),and it would also mean the Intel hybrid 6+8 core Core i5 13600KF would be forced under £300 too.

 

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No doubt about it the 13600KF is a very good CPU but that's it for upgrades. If buying new I'd either hold on or suck it up and pay a bit more for AM5 and have years of upgrade potential. You pays your money... as they say. Look at it this way, there are no bad choices

But the problem is that that I wouldn't invest in AM5 for future upgrades either because that is reliant on decent entry level options. This is what AM4 had - decent performance and decently priced entry level options.

The Ryzen 5 7600X is a very poor CPU for the price - it's slower in gaming(when you look at an average of a large number of gaming) and massively slower in productivity than a Ryzen 5 13600KF so needs replacing quicker.

Also I knew the Core i5 13600K was decent in productivity,but after compiling the numbers,it even beats the Ryzen 7 7700X in a lot of productivity benchmarks too! Even in gaming,I am uncertain a Ryzen 7 7700X will outlast it,and the issue is what happens when Intel starts trying to push for developers to use the Skylake level E-cores? For things like streaming or game captures,those E-cores have an effect already because they can offload background tasks.

So even the Ryzen 7 7700X isn't really great compared to a Core i5 13600KF even for a new build(especially if you use DDR4). Also there are consistent rumours the Core i5 13400 is a rebranded Core i5 12600K and the Core i5 13500 adds 4 more Skylake level E-cores to the basic Core i5 13400/Core i5 12600K.

If that is the case,the Core i5 13500F might end up being a very decent sub £300 CPU.

Even Gamersnexus pointed out the Core i5 13600K/Core i5 13600K is still an option if you use DDR4. So basically it only makes sense to go onto AM5 if you want a Ryzen 9 where you have the best of both worlds.

I really hope when AMD releases the Zen4 3D parts,they price the X3D parts higher to keep the non X3D prices at the current level.

 

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I think you're right. Sit on your hands and see what X3D brings. By that time RL and 7XXX will have been out a while and pricing should have had time to settle. I'm sure at that point you'll have a decent option. If you are in no hurry time is your best friend. If you need it right now I'd buy a 7600X and then sell it and buy an X3D later but that might not be right for you.

Well I think most people who don't need a Ryzen 9 should wait for the X3D parts. Personally I am waiting for Zen5. Hopefully by then PCI-E 5.0 will be standard on the cheap motherboards too.

However,if the prices and price/performance don't get better by then,I might eventually get a console,and the desktop PC will be used for older games and eventually I will get a laptop.

 

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Is it really a surprise for productivity it has 8 e cores personally I wouldn't buy that lower tier for productivity most are not buying it for that it's gonna be for gaming what I do find impressive is the gaming results . Just wished they reduced some of the e cores and offered it for less

What is as surprising is the meme cores actually help a lot for non-gaming scenarios. But then they are Skylake level performance,and clock upto 4.2GHZ IIRC. Now imagine how much it helps for game streaming and game capture? The performance in video editing benchmarks is fantastic for a sub £400 CPU. It trades blows with a Ryzen 9 5950X!!

I also do both gaming and non-gaming stuff as do a lot of friends. As nice as Ryzen 9 CPUs are they are well over £400. Even with the rubbish exchange rates,the Core i5 13600KF is still well under £400. Remember,the exchange rates got even worse since the Zen4 release(so it could mean Zen4 prices go up for newer stock).

So when you have gaming performance similar/faster than the Ryzen 5 7600X/Ryzen 7 7700X and productivity is as good/faster than a Ryzen 7 7700X,it really makes me wonder what AMD was smoking WRT to pricing.

Also thank goodness for AMD,that Intel doesn't sell the non-E core versions under £300. However,it appears Intel is rebadging ADL under £300. The Core i5 13400/13400F will be a rebadged Core i5 12600K/12600KF,but there are rumours the Core i5 13500/13600 will add four more E-cores to the Core i5 12600K/12600KF configuration. That will make them not only fairly quick for gaming but also for budget production orientated PCs.

 

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There's a misconception about ecores hurting gaming and this was mainly from those who bought ADL and wanted to stick it on Windows 10 despite warnings. It's also an easy distraction by the people who haven't had direct expereince with the platform but tend to post the most here.

As shown here: https://www.computerbase.de/2022-10...bschnitt_vorteil_durch_mehr_ecores_in_spielen There's no detriment to gaming from the ecores. Naturally, they add a lot for producvity and also are good at handling backgroup tasks which is often not considered in reviews. In some games, they will add some performance as well. As W11 has evolved, ecore handling has improved greatly. Would I take more Pcores over Ecores? ofcourse but they're not some performance killing evil. Also the ring clock bug is fixed on RPL so ring can now scale with ecores enabled which wasn't the case on adl

As I menionted in the other thread, we're seeing pretty much any 13600k land around 5.5 all core with some voltage and llc tuning so there's notable headroom on top of the already great performance.

There is always scope for Intel to start sponsoring some games to use the E-cores for certain tasks. I agree more P cores would be nice,but the issue is that AMD pricing is off for the Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 7 CPUs,so AMD does not really have a core advantage overall.

but whos buying the 13600k ? cant imagine many are buying it for productivity in that chart looks like dropping 4 e cores doesnt effect much in performance in gaming and still be ahead for MT imagine 6p-4e which would lower power and if closer priced to the 7600k , would wipe the floor budget system for gaming and on DDR4
it's not the additional E-Cores in the Core i5 that push the CPU up a notch either

But if you look at the US RRP,the Core i5 13600KF is around $294~$304:

Intel® Core™ i5-13600KF Processor (24M Cache, up to 5.10 GHz) Product Specifications

Intel® Core™ i5-13600KF Processor (24M Cache, up to 5.10 GHz) quick reference guide including specifications, features, pricing, compatibility, design documentation, ordering codes, spec codes and more.

ark.intel.com

The Ryzen 5 7600X RRP is $299.99!! So there is some exchange rate wonkiness probably happening here. But it also means for US reviews,the Core i5 13600KF looks even a better deal against the Ryzen 5 7600X. But for our purposes we need to go by the UK pricing.Remember,the Core i5 13600KF is about 5% to 10% more expensive than a Ryzen 5 7600X in the UK. It is also nearly 20% cheaper than a Ryzen 7 7700X.

Almost everyone I know who pays over £300 is either gaming and also doing productivity stuff. Matching a Ryzen 9 5900X and not being far off even a Ryzen 9 5950X in video encoding software is a lot of performance for a sub £400 CPU. The big issue is AMD is putting it's gaming orientated,and "entry level" gaming orientated/productivity Zen4 CPUs,at £330 and £420 respectively. So you end up with an Intel CPU which is generally better than both for less than a Ryzen 7 7700X. If AMD had priced the Ryzen 5 7600X at £250~£260 and the Ryzen 7 7700X at £330~£340 then Intel would be forced to keep the Core i5 under £300. The issue is because from a performance standpoint Intel matches/beats AMD in both gaming and productivity they have priced it that way.

So currently if you intend to spend £300~£450 on a new CPU,the Core i5 13600KF looks the best deal. Do I think it should be cheaper - yes I do. Do I think they should make a cutdown version for under £300 - yes I do.

But what Intel seems to be doing is pushing down the ADL stack below £300. So the Core i5 12400F replacement,now has extra clockspeed,and 4 E-cores. The Core i5 12500 and Core i5 12600 replacements might have 8 extra E-cores. What is AMD using below that - Zen3. The issue is the Core i5 12600KF did well against the Ryzen 7 5800X/5700X in both gaming and productivity benchmarks:

Intel Core i5-12600K Review: 5600X Defeated

The Core i5-12600K is Intel's latest mainstream CPU and a direct competitor to AMD's popular Ryzen 5 5600X. The Alder Lake chip packs 6 P-cores and 4...

www.techspot.com

12th Gen Intel Core CPU Review Roundup

Intel has launched their new 12th Gen Intel Core desktop processors (code-named "Alder Lake") featuring support for DDR5, PCIe 5.0, as well as a completely new hybrid architecture using a mix of Performance and Efficient-cores. This is a lot of new technologies in one product which makes it hard...

www.pugetsystems.com

I am saying this as an owner of a Ryzen 7 5700X. That means even between £200~£300 AMD is starting to get less competitive. But below £200,the Core i5 12400F is also competitive against the Ryzen 5 5600 non-X too:

AMD Ryzen 5 5600 vs. Intel Core i5-12400F

We're comparing the Ryzen 5 5600 and Core i5-12400F mainstream CPUs across a range of games at 1080p and 1440p using four tiers of GPU: RTX 3060,...

www.techspot.com

Techspot/Hardware Unboxed says the Core i5 12400F is slightly faster. So realistically its a bit of a wash. Also the H610 can run DDR4 at XMP speeds too IIRC.I have also noticed the AM4 motherboards seem to have gone up in price(for the decent ones) and availability seems not as great too. The Intel motherboards seem to have gotten a bit cheaper.

Now AMD does have the Ryzen 5 5500 which is cheap,but it's also quite a hobbled CPU too so AMD might win there too but its not worth the money saved over the Ryzen 5 5600 non-X IMHO.AMD also definitely wins if you need an APU. So the only other places really were AMD wins,are well above £400 with the Ryzen 9 7900X and Ryzen 9 7950X. Plus the Ryzen 7 5800X3D looks a good upgrade on socket AM4 but now seems to cost over £400. But the issue is a Core i5 12600KF still is pretty much competitive in gaming at under £300 against it.

As a person who prefers to buy AMD CPUs and dGPUs,honestly this is all rather annoying. It was the same with the RX6700XT. AMD couldn't be bothered with an RX6700 and instead that ended up in mining SKUs. Then their RRP was not great and in the UK they didn't bother partnering with a local retailer(Nvidia did),so all the RX6700XT models here were overpriced from day one.I ended up with an RTX3060TI because Nvidia did a huge stock dump last summer and I found one for RRP. I wasn't even following the stock Discords.

I expect the same with RDNA3 - no reference models sold in the UK,so everything we get will be much higher than the RRP quoted in reviews. Add that to Nvidia deciding it wants to rebadge the RTX4060 as a RTX4080 or a RTX4070,a console increasingly looks like the way forward,or me just avoiding most newer games. That way I can have an older PC.

 

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@CAT-THE-FIFTH https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8kY_rx13L8

Timely video here. You can see the value of the 13600k and this further reduces platform costs by re using DDR4 which most DIY enthusiasts will be on. Then you can pick up a z690 ProA or PrimeP board to make the platform cost even cheaper. For a mid range buyer, that's been my recommendation since before they were officially launched (with having access to the data for some time already) and that's not changed since.

MSI Pro Z690-A DDR4 - Intel Z690 DDR4 ATX Motherboard

Order MSI Pro Z690-A DDR4 - Intel Z690 DDR4 ATX Motherboard now online and benefit from fast delivery.

www.overclockers.co.uk

This board will handle it without any concerns.

I also posted this:

Intel 13600K and 13900K DDR4 vs DDR5 Showdown - OC3D

Introduction Any new technology is going to come with a hefty adoption cost, and the Z790 and Intel 13th Generation of processors is no exception. However, during our time with the various motherboards we had on hand we noted that a few of them support DDR4 rather than demand you invest in DDR5...

overclock3d.net

Also a decent B660 motherboard would be probably fine too. Techspot/Hardware Unboxed did a roundup:

Intel B660 Motherboard VRM, Mid-Range Roundup

In this roundup we have 8 new Intel B660 motherboards that go for from $150 to $250. Spoiler alert: We're looking at a hefty 70% difference between...

www.techspot.com

Both their recommended motherboards are under £160.

 

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@CAT-THE-FIFTH no one is buying an i5 for productivity, you're barking up the wrong tree.

I know plenty of people who spend £300~£450 on CPUs for productivity. Only on tech forums do people who do productivity "only" spend £500+ on CPUs. That includes lots of video and image editing software which I know loads of people run.

The fact is the Core i5 this generation has 14 cores and is beating a Ryzen 7 7700X in many common pieces of productivity software. The figures speak for themselves. You should be calling out AMD entirely for this - Intel delivered a 14 core CPU which is much better value than the Ryzen 5 7600X and Ryzen 7 7700X. AMD could have dropped pricing but wants to make you spend £420+ on a Ryzen 7 7700X which is their "entry level" productivity CPU. But their "entry level" productivity CPU is being matched or beaten by a "lowly" Core i5 costing 20% less and in the US its even worse as the RRPs of the Ryzen 5 7600X and Core i5 13600KF are almost the same.

That includes lots of video and image editing software which I know loads of people run.It also beats the Ryzen 9 5900X,which is well over £400. In gaming the Ryzen 7 7700X is barely faster(in many cases it isn't) and not even faster in many common pieces of software.

So every AMD CPU under £500 is not really any faster - that includes gaming and productivity. The DDR4 motherboards work fine,and show very little performance loss. You can get decent B660 motherboards for £150~£160. Some people I know,have looked at the productivity benchmarks and decided to buy a Core i5 13600KF over a Ryzen 7 7700X because of the price difference.

You might want to spin that productivity isn't important - well if you are spending over £300 on a CPU it is important. It's not the fault of Intel if AMD stubbornly keeps the Ryzen 5 at the £300ish mark with only six cores. With Alderlake Intel moved to 10 hybrid cores with the Core i5 12600K it actually beat my own Ryzen 7 5700X in many cases.

Plus lots of gamers do stream,video encode,etc. The Core i5 13600K is not only better for video encoding,but also with 8 background cores with Skylake level performance will obliterate the Ryzen 5 7600X in streaming.

So we can agree to disagree. You might think productivity is not important but for me it is. It is important for exactly 100% of the people I know who spend £300+ on a CPU.

Plus all my mates who are on AM4 now,have looked at this and said the Core i5 looks far better value. This includes really old school AMD fans. They all say AMD needs to drop its prices. No wonder Zen4 sales are not good.

Instead of recognising it now you have people saying:
1.)Productivity isn't important any more,despite for years people pushing Zen1/2/3 productivity improvements over similar Intel CPUs
2.)The ability to use cheaper RAM. Big selling point for the Phenom II,but suddenly not important any more
3.)Cheaper motherboards - suddenly not important.
4.)More cores and threads for the same price than the competition - big selling point over Intel but not anymore
5.)Gaming performance not important any more if Intel wins

The flip-flop with AMD since Zen3 is hilarious. AMD does literally lots of the things Intel did,and that is fine. The moment Intel actually plays AMD at their own game of "moar cores" and wins,suddenly not important.

AMD has gotten greedy to the extent,that even Intel can increase the price of a Core i5 slightly and still look much better value. Remember,how all of you lot argued with me when AMD jacked up pricing of Zen3 relative to Zen2 and Intel per core when they won?

It seems AMD has become the new Apple for too many. I am sure an iPhone XYZ does well in sales - doesn't means it's better than some other cheaper phone. But when Intel was selling more than AMD at some places wasn't people on here saying lots of people were being clueless,just like when Nvidia outsold AMD dGPUs?

Well,there you go - you only have yourselves to blame for Intel realising it could charge over £300 for a Core i5,when AMD puts out overpriced Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 7 CPUs which are slower. Intel still wins in price/performance against Zen4. Its why I went onto AM4 even though Intel was faster for gaming. The fact that you just keep on defending any rubbish move from AMD,means we need to agree to disagree. All you are doing is making excuses for AMD and we have nothing more to discuss because I have provided data and you haven't.

AMD jebaited itself!!

Now let's look at productivity benchmarks agains a Ryzen 7 7700X. Puget Systems is a good start:

13th Gen Intel Core Processors Content Creation Review

Following AMDs recent release of their Ryzen 7000 Series desktop processors, Intel is fighting back with their own launch of the Core 13th Gen processors (code named "Raptor Lake"). Unlike AMD's launch which moved to a new socket and added support for DDR5, the 13th Gen CPUs are a drop-in...

www.pugetsystems.com

Spoiler

I only posted some of the benchmarks,but in the Puget Systems benchmarks,consistently the Core i5 13600K beats the Ryzen 5 7600X and Ryzen 7 7700X in all the image editing/video encoding scores. It even beats a Ryzen 9 5900X and Ryzen 9 5950X in many cases too,including video editing! In 3D rendering it beats a Ryzen 7 7700X and the Ryzen 9 5900X.

You can see the same here:

Test • Intel Core i9-13900K, Core i7-13700K, Core i5-13600K & Z790

Les Core i9-13900K & 13600K ainsi que leur chipset compagnon Z790 passent à la moulinette : comparaison avec les précédentes générations de processeurs sur des jeux, encodage, traitement d'image et vidéo, rendu 3D, compression, encryptage, compilation et divers benchmarks synthétiques et...

www.comptoir-hardware.com

Spoiler

Even here,in a mix of image editing,video encoding and rendering benchmarks the Core i5 13600K is beating a Ryzen 5 7600X,Ryzen 7 7700X and Ryzen 9 5900X by decent amounts.

Then there is the DF review:

Intel Core i9 13900K and Core i5 13600K review: an effective redoubt against AMD's Ryzen 7000 advances

Digital Foundry tests the Intel Core i9 13900K and Core i5 13600K, two Raptor Lake processors that offer more cores, higher clocks and winning results.

www.eurogamer.net

In their gaming results the Ryzen 5 7600X is beaten,and again it's massively beaten by the Core i5 13600K in non-gaming results. Even the Ryzen 9 5950X is only slightly ahead in their video encoding results!

Guru3D shows the same trends:

Intel Core i5-13600K review

Okay, so you really need to check out this Raptor Lake processor; the Core i5 13600K has six performance cores and eight energy-efficient ones. Meaning you'll have plenty of multi-threaded performanc... Performance - Content Creation Blender / Cinebench R23

www.guru3d.com

They run a lot of 3D renderers,and in all of them the Core i5 13600K is faster than a Ryzen 7 7700X. It seems to trade blows with a Ryzen 9 5900X,which is over £400.

Then look at TPU:

Intel Core i5-13600K Review - Best Gaming CPU

Core i5-13600K is a gamer's dream! The new processor achieves gaming numbers that match the best AMD Zen 4 offerings, at a much more competitive $320 price point. Our review also shows that 13600K can shine in applications, beating the much higher positioned Core i7-12700K.

www.techpowerup.com

Consistently the Core i5 13600K seems to trade blows or is faster in most benchmarks than the Ryzen 7 7700X and Ryzen 9 5900X.

People might want to mock the E cores,but they since they are Skylake level,they are helping boost performance in non-gaming scenarios a lot. Overclock3D tests performance with DDR4:

Intel 13600K and 13900K DDR4 vs DDR5 Showdown - OC3D

Video Encoding If you thought 3D rendering didn’t have much to differentiate the two setups then the video encoding is so close it might as well be the same. Sometimes no result is still a result. Â Â Â Â

www.overclock3d.net

At most in their gaming and non-gaming tests you are loosing about 10% performance. So that means even for many productivity benchmarks,the Core i5 13600K is still going to look really solid.

The reality is the Core i5 13600K is a productivity monster too,and the Core i5 13600KF is only £30 more than a Ryzen 5 7600X and significantly cheaper than either a Ryzen 7 7700X or Ryzen 9 5900X or Ryzen 9 5950X. Plus you can use a DDR4 motherboard too(even if it costs you some extra performance).

Plus you could argue the Core i5 13600K draws more power in productivity benchmarks than a Ryzen 5 7600X,but the extra speed help's its effciency.



But we also know in gaming capping the CPUs to lower TDPs,probably won't affect performance that much in gaming:

Intel Core i9-13900K vs. AMD Ryzen 9 7950X at 125W and 65W | Club386

Prefer to keep temperature and power consumption down to lower levels this winter? Here's what happens when the best CPUs are scaled back.

www.club386.com

You are also looking at the best productivity CPU under £400~£450:

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Is there any good non-youtube review of Raptor Lake on DDR4 VS DDR5?

Overclock3D did a quick set of tests including non-gaming applications:

Intel 13600K and 13900K DDR4 vs DDR5 Showdown - OC3D

Introduction Any new technology is going to come with a hefty adoption cost, and the Z790 and Intel 13th Generation of processors is no exception. However, during our time with the various motherboards we had on hand we noted that a few of them support DDR4 rather than demand you invest in DDR5...

www.overclock3d.net

Techspot(website version of Hardware Unboxed) tested DDR4 too but only with games:

Intel Core i9-13900K Review: Hot and Hungry

Hot of the heels of AMD's Zen 4 series launch, here comes Intel with their highly anticipated 13th-gen Core series, codenamed Raptor Lake. Today we're reviewing the...

www.techspot.com

Looks about a 10% performance reduction at worst.

 

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That overclock3d.net DDR4 review is pretty poorly formatted though - and has charts which don't start at zero, which is always a sign of amateur or marketeer IMO. Pity no decent site did DDR4 testing.

But either way,looking at the comparisons so far,the differences don't look large. Really the Ryzen 7 7700X needs to be competing with the Core i5 13600K/13600KF. The meme cores are doing enough - it's to be expected when Intel literally bolted on a downclocked Core i7 9700 onto the side of a six core Raptor Lake CPU.

DDR4 vs DDR5 - i5 13600k vs i9 13900K

Thankfully with Z790 we still have the option to run DDR4 or DDR5 so we have tested the i5 13600K and the i9 13900K with both DDR4 and DDR5 to see what perfo...

www.youtube.com

lmao I don't even know what to say here. He's running DDR4 in G2. I can't imagine how bad the rest of the setup is. What a waste of a nice kit.

So if properly set-up even less of a difference then?

 

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i5-13600K - GREAT Value CPU for Gaming. (Vs. 5800X3D and 12600K)

Intel turns it up with the i5-13600K review, considering the Ryzen 7 5800X3D or the i5-12600K instead? Well today we compare this CPU to the aforementioned a...

www.youtube.com

 

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Gear2

Are you getting Raptor Lake? If so can you run the same benchmark in the Fallout 4 thread please? It will be interesting to see if Zen4 can actually beat a Zen3 X3D CPU too!