OcUK Intel Raptor Lake review thread

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Sure but likely over winter. No point in getting anything but an Apex for me and that's a little ways out.

There is no rush - I am just interested too see the generational improvements in these old legacy games!

 

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In case you hadn't noticed AMD have moved on. Node and platform with all 'big cores' (real ones).
Sales? I'm sure AMD can adjust the price of Zen 4, but how are Intel fixed with their huge big / little dies?
Bottom line, Intel still playing catch up. Can't wait for xxxxlake whatever

Meteor Lake is Intel doing it's on take on chiplets. It's the release after this one. Intel is at a process node disadvantage to AMD but next generation they are using a mixture of TSMC and Intel nodes,which will close the gap. The basic design of the cores seem fine and the small cores are around Skylake level so not that weak.

 

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Meteor lake will be interesting

Intel will have the existing complexity of P and E cores to manage and added to that will be that P and E cores are split into seperate chiplets across their version of infinity fabric which will add latency as it does for amd and create more complications for windows

Intel packaging technologies are quite sophisticated. Just look at Intel Lakefield which already had hybrid cores:

The Intel Lakefield Deep Dive: Everything To Know About the First x86 Hybrid CPU

www.anandtech.com

So Intel has already trialed the technology they will most likely use.

 

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move on to what? to greed and doing exactly what "evil" Intel used to do when they were leading?
I think that's why AMD somehow rushed to launch ZEN 4 before Intel because they knew they don't have anything impressive.
catch up? if anything all signs pointing to AMD needing to copy intel's idea of efficiency cores..it works.there's so many "full" cores they can put on these chips before thermals/power draw make it totally impossible .
it's no secret that Zen 4 were not selling and with Raptor Lake price/performance shown, ZEN 4 is lookimng even worse.
AMD will be forced to drop ZEN 4 prices prematurely, that's almost guaranteed

Many here don't remember AMD during the Athlon 64 days,with the bifurcated platforms(socket 754,QuadFX),many of which didn't last long and the high prices. They only remember the "good AMD" when they did socket AM4,or the Phenom II. They are quite capable of doing what Intel did. This is why competition from both companies is important to keep each other real.

The 13600K looks to be an impressive all-rounder, especially where productivity is concerned. Very punchy indeed for an i5.

Undervolt it, and I assume we have a better thermal/power draw experience with a vast majority of the performance intact.

Looks to be the star of the line-up so far.

It is,though I see people trying to spin the Ryzen 5 7600X as better. Not even R/AMD seems to agree. If AMD had priced the Ryzen 7 7700X lower,Intel would not have had a chance IMHO. Nothing a bit of a price cut can't sort out,but the CPUs barely launched a month ago.

 

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Looks like Derbauer has tried tuning the Core i9 13900K for efficiency with some great results:

Testing and Tuning the new 13900K for Efficiency

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CB did a DDR4 vs DDR5 13600K gaming review:

Gaming-Benchmarks: Intel Core i5-13600K mit DDR5 und DDR4 im Vergleich

ComputerBase liefert Spiele-Benchmarks des Intel Core i5-13600K mit DDR4-3200CL14 und DDR4-3600CL14 im Vergleich zu DDR5-5600CL32 nach.

www.computerbase.de

Average min FPS is around 6%:

Cyerpunk 2077 + RT seems to favour DDR5 the most:

While Age of Empires 4 prefers DDR4:


No testing of FO4 or a similarly badly coded game

So if run in Gear 1,you can lose upto 10% of performance or gain around 5% in performance?

 

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Maybe Intel can revamp their performance tuning thing to provide per program memory dividers and other BIOS settings.
Interesting that AoE 4 prefers DDR4 although their DDR5 is only 5600CL32 - unsure what the max is without spending big but 6000 would be more realistic for those spending "biggger" on DDR5.

Well if you shop around 6000MHZ DDR5 can dip under £200. But DDR4 is very cheap,and the DDR5 motherboards cost way too much anyway.

However,looking on Newegg the Ryzen 5 7600X and Core i5 13600KF are within $10 of each other which matches the suggested RRPs,so in the UK retailers are taking the mickey!