ryzen cpus are great.as said i have a ryzen system.the only thing that bugs me is when people bs on here. some people will be putting out lots of money and may only game.many will be younger kids.want performance for their money.the cheap i5 is way ahead of in games than the top ryzen. so for gaming only no ryzen dont make sense.for multiple applications they do for just gaming no.
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If you only game and are on a budget then you buy a console
If, like most other PC gamers, you do other stuff with your PC, Ryzen now make a lot of sense.
What happens if you play PC exclusive games on a budget
Yes, I mean lets not forgot as well 6 cores, is not a pitiful amount of cores. The average person does not sit there running cinebench all day, encoding videos, or similar type of things. They may have a browser, game launcher, and game and thats typically it. Maybe word or something if they doing some work.
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Personally, I think the Ryzen APUs make more sense for a budget gaming build than i5 plus dedicated card.
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Ok what happens if your favourite game is e.g. warhammer 4k dawn of war?
Its a PC exclusive title, so buying a console to play it is pointless.
You have a modest budget for cpu, so get an i5, maybe a 1060 or 1070 to go with it, gaming on a budget. With the money spent on parts to maximise that gaming performance within that budget.
Its a PC exclusive title, so buying a console to play it is pointless.
You have a modest budget for cpu, so get an i5, maybe a 1060 or 1070 to go with it, gaming on a budget. With the money spent on parts to maximise that gaming performance within that budget.
I didnt mean extreme budget to the point you cannot afford a GPU
To me intel is still the lead in lower threaded parts.
This as an example as well.
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i3-8100-vs-AMD-Ryzen-3-1200/3942vs3931
The benefit of ryzen at i5/i7 level is basically more cores for your money.
The benefit of intel is more performance per core at all consumer price points.
So you pick your priority, you assess your budget and pick accordingly, I think its wrong to just say just buy ryzen regardless, that also shows arrogance to the PC market that most PC games also dont utilise more than 2 cores.
The typical computer user doesnt sit running high end benchmarks and encoding videos, thats the reality.
I mean right now I have a browser open, media player, some work apps, and a bunch of notepad's, this is probably more multitasking than 95% of users do. 4 of my 6 cores are sitting completely idle. Also even if you only got a single core chip, it doesnt mean you can only run one app at a time, that would actually only be limited, if one app took all of the cpu time of that core. So its not one active app per core, computers dont work like that.
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The new Threadrippers will be truely EPYC 
Now we have Ryzen 7 2700X as fast or faster than the older Threadripper 1920X. This is ridiculous and beautiful from AMD
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-ryzen-7-2700x-review,15.html
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Now we have Ryzen 7 2700X as fast or faster than the older Threadripper 1920X. This is ridiculous and beautiful from AMD
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-ryzen-7-2700x-review,15.html
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Trying to get an answer like that here is like watching squabbling children slapping each other.
Sensibly... This needs further investigation. Anandtech said they are looking at it, after some commentators called them on it. Hopefully whatever it is will come out.
Much of whats been debated here and another thread
Anandtench state one such reason is they patched meltdown+spectre which will hurt intel vs amd, other reviewers I think have not confirmed on this either way.
Another "possible" reason is anandtech may be running the intel at factory settings, which would help AMD since AMD chips overclock way less than intel chips over factory config.
As scougar said, apparently anandtech are reviewing their results, this probably means they doing another test to confirm the first test.
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It seems not only Anandtech and The TechReport ran the patches,but Toms Hardware also has,but not fully:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-2700x-review,5571-7.html
The TH review also places the latest Ryzen CPUs relatively close to the Intel ones.
AMD X470 motherboards seem to be shipping with the full Spectre patches unlike the Intel ones.
Also,looking at the tweets regarding AT,its quite possible some reviews have not enabled Precision Boost 2 properly due to the way its presented in the BIOS options:
https://twitter.com/IanCutress/status/987026323544649729
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-2700x-review,5571-7.html
The TH review also places the latest Ryzen CPUs relatively close to the Intel ones.
AMD X470 motherboards seem to be shipping with the full Spectre patches unlike the Intel ones.
Also,looking at the tweets regarding AT,its quite possible some reviews have not enabled Precision Boost 2 properly due to the way its presented in the BIOS options:
https://twitter.com/IanCutress/status/987026323544649729
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OC3d make the Ryzen 2700x look competitive when gaming.
So.... do we think my 8 Pack ram will fair better and work at DOCP 3200MHz with a 2700k in a x370 board?
I have the means to just go all out and buy an 8700k, but.... I feel bad just throwing money around and this seems to make more sense.
The IMC is on the CPU. So replacing it should benefit me in RAM speed?
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This has me worried a bit:
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I should also note that the Ryzen 5 1600 and Ryzen 7 1800X performed the same on both B350, X370 and X470 motherboards, but memory support was better on the X470 board. I had a few stability problems with the newer Ryzen chips when installed on 300-series boards, but that could just be a BIOS issue.
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So.... do we think my 8 Pack ram will fair better and work at DOCP 3200MHz with a 2700k in a x370 board?
I have the means to just go all out and buy an 8700k, but.... I feel bad just throwing money around and this seems to make more sense.
The IMC is on the CPU. So replacing it should benefit me in RAM speed?
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This has me worried a bit:
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I should also note that the Ryzen 5 1600 and Ryzen 7 1800X performed the same on both B350, X370 and X470 motherboards, but memory support was better on the X470 board. I had a few stability problems with the newer Ryzen chips when installed on 300-series boards, but that could just be a BIOS issue.
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Patiently waits for 8/16 coffee lake
Won't be done right - still with the chewing gum and still with the useless graphics part on the die. Resulting in extreme heat and lower frequencies and not better gaming performance.
well it will be. intel as much as most of us hate them as a company put the right products out.
they will put the 8 core i7 out for gaming when its needed.thats the problem what many miss.they deliver what is actually needed in the main market.amd try to counter with more cores but less mhz.games want the mhz.amd cant do it.
all these new ryzens are basically is a 200-400 mhz bump on the last ones.which is the same since all time.all refresh the same people then think its going to be the saviour.its a small refresh.
what happens amd catch up a bit still behind intel put out anothe chip to control again when they need to.its that simple.
just look top gaming chips every time its not luck.or bs.6700k/7700k/8700k goes all the way back since the i7 launched.people dont seem to get that intel give us the best gaming cpu for what we need.no bs.no bias.just truth.
someone asked about why this site shows this ahead that ahead look at the sites see who they favour look at the games.if the games they show in the benchmarks arent the big hitters you or we are all playing you know something is at hand. thats how you know if a benchmark is decent they will bench the games we are actually all playing.not tombraider cause it suits amd or ashes of dog**** which no one plays.
why are not many if any benching battlefield 1 mp ? just ask yourself. one of the main mp fps titles because it shows if you look at benchies that even older i5s smashing the new ryzens. pubg the amd people will say its unoptimized why ? because its terrible on amd. dont say that with tombraider ? haha. fortnite no benchmarks.most played game at moment.why ? cause its slower on amd.by a big margin.
they will put the 8 core i7 out for gaming when its needed.thats the problem what many miss.they deliver what is actually needed in the main market.amd try to counter with more cores but less mhz.games want the mhz.amd cant do it.
all these new ryzens are basically is a 200-400 mhz bump on the last ones.which is the same since all time.all refresh the same people then think its going to be the saviour.its a small refresh.
what happens amd catch up a bit still behind intel put out anothe chip to control again when they need to.its that simple.
just look top gaming chips every time its not luck.or bs.6700k/7700k/8700k goes all the way back since the i7 launched.people dont seem to get that intel give us the best gaming cpu for what we need.no bs.no bias.just truth.
someone asked about why this site shows this ahead that ahead look at the sites see who they favour look at the games.if the games they show in the benchmarks arent the big hitters you or we are all playing you know something is at hand. thats how you know if a benchmark is decent they will bench the games we are actually all playing.not tombraider cause it suits amd or ashes of dog**** which no one plays.
why are not many if any benching battlefield 1 mp ? just ask yourself. one of the main mp fps titles because it shows if you look at benchies that even older i5s smashing the new ryzens. pubg the amd people will say its unoptimized why ? because its terrible on amd. dont say that with tombraider ? haha. fortnite no benchmarks.most played game at moment.why ? cause its slower on amd.by a big margin.
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Looking at the cache latency improvements,they seem significant:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-2700x-review,5571-3.html
If you check some of the clock for clock improvements in games,it seems more than the 3% AMD touted,and the rest is probably down to the cache latency improvements I suspect.
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-2700x-review,5571-3.html
If you check some of the clock for clock improvements in games,it seems more than the 3% AMD touted,and the rest is probably down to the cache latency improvements I suspect.
the funny thing is even the i3 is smashing the top ryzens yet people are saying its competitive.
Watching the OC3d video right now, he skimped over the games performance very quickly but did comment clock speed is still king in games.
Its similar to what you saying dg with amd vs nvidia as well.
AMD hardware can have higher gigaflops rating than nvidia but nvidia pounds it in games, AMD will sometimes run better in non gaming tasks, but nvidia know people usually buy gpu's for gaming which is what they focus on with their performance. A bit like when AMD cards used to have more VRAM but that VRAM was largely pointless.
I got no doubt an 8 core i7 will come, the media is core crazy, the high end market is all about "cores" "threads", so intel will counter. But it will be interesting if they forced to compromise, as more cores means more heat and power, and harder to get higher clocks.
Looking at the data we got clearly the r5 2600x is the gem I think, but I bet the 2700x outsells it a lot. 2600x £80 cheaper at almost same gaming performance as 2700x.
but did comment clock speed is still king in games.Its similar to what you saying dg with amd vs nvidia as well.
AMD hardware can have higher gigaflops rating than nvidia but nvidia pounds it in games, AMD will sometimes run better in non gaming tasks, but nvidia know people usually buy gpu's for gaming which is what they focus on with their performance. A bit like when AMD cards used to have more VRAM but that VRAM was largely pointless.
I got no doubt an 8 core i7 will come, the media is core crazy, the high end market is all about "cores" "threads", so intel will counter. But it will be interesting if they forced to compromise, as more cores means more heat and power, and harder to get higher clocks.
Looking at the data we got clearly the r5 2600x is the gem I think, but I bet the 2700x outsells it a lot. 2600x £80 cheaper at almost same gaming performance as 2700x.
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