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OcUK Ryzen 2000 series review thread

people just believe what they want.in 99.9 percent of games the i5 8400 beats the 2700x nevermind the 8700k.in many even the top i3 does.yet that is not even being mentioned.the more i look at the real gaming benchmarks amd have been not only beat at the higher end but in the bargin section where they normally cater for. no bias i3 and mid i5 for £150 winning literally every gaming benchmark over a cpu which is nearly double the price.

bf1 , overwatch , pubg, fortnite all faster on a cpu half the price.thats just a few popular games.
 
chrcoluk said:
I just watched this vid. I consider it flawed tho.

How many people go out and buy an 8700k and then run it at 4.4ghz? After you considered the answer to that question how reasonable do you think that testing methodology was? This is ignoring the choice of games which are all very pro core heavy games to boot.
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Looking at the Steam hardware surveys, almost everyone!

You're here on OCUK so you view is clouded, but in reality, most chips, even high OC potential chips like the 8700k, aren't overclocked by their users. Think about the vast amount of OEM systems (i.e. Dell, HP etc) containing 8600k and 8700k CPUs that never get overclocked.

B1gbeard said:
I think most people here anyway will be running their 8700k at least 500mhz higher than that video but at similar speeds it seems close.
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I think that's the key. Most people HERE. We're very much a niche market and in the minority. Even on these forums you see loads of posts where users are stating they aren't or don't want to overclock, even on high spec, capable hardware.


I think it's entirety correct that in reviews comparison cpus are run at stock settings, even if the review cpu itself includes overclocked results. If you are an overclocker, you have enough knowledge to judge the difference between stock and OC'd performance - you don't need a review to spell it out for you.

It seems people that have issues with reviews not using OC on comparison parts are just those that get butthurt over it not showing their preferred platform in the best possible light. Frankly, it seems a bit childish.
 
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amigafan2003 said:
Looking at the Steam hardware surveys, almost everyone!

You're here on OCUK so you view is clouded, but in reality, most chips, even high OC potential chips like the 8700k, aren't overclocked by their users. Think about the vast amount of OEM systems (i.e. Dell, HP etc) containing 8600k and 8700k CPUs that never get overclocked.



I think that's the key. Most people HERE. We're very much a niche market and in the minority. Even on these forums you see loads of posts where users are stating they aren't or don't want to overclock, even on high spec, capable hardware.


I think it's entirety correct that in reviews comparison cpus are run at stock settings, even if the review cpu itself includes overclocked results. If you are an overclocker, you have enough knowledge to judge the difference between stock and OC'd performance - you don't need a review to spell it out for you.

It seems people that have issues with reviews not using OC on comparison parts are just those that get butthurt over it not showing their preferred platform in the best possible light. Frankly, it seems a bit childish.
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Many companies selling PC's as gaming PC's are selling overclocked CPU's. Looking through the latest PC Gamer mag, OCUK, Scan, Alienware. There are a lot.
 
B1gbeard said:
Many companies selling PC's as gaming PC's are selling overclocked CPU's. Looking through the latest PC Gamer mag, OCUK, Scan, Alienware. There are a lot.
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And what's the ratio of those overclocked PCs to stock of the shelf HPs and Dells? It's low single digit percentages. For every Alienware PC Dell sells, Dell and HP sell 50 Inspirons/Pavilions. Even HPs own Omen gaming PC's aren't overclocked, and they sell plenty of those.

Off all the 8700k's out there, less than 5% of them (from checking Steam surveys, ORB results etc) are overclocked. I don't know why you expect main stream reviewers to cater to the 5% versus the 95%.

You need to understand (and maybe accept) that overclocking is still very much a niche in PC gaming.
 
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amigafan2003 said:
And what's the ratio of those overclocked PCs to stock of the shelf HP's and Dells? It's low single digit percentages.

Off all the 8700k's out there, less than 5% of them (from checking Steam surveys, ORB results etc) are overclocked. I don't know why you expect main stream reviewers to cater to the 5% versus the 95%.
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But that is what they have always done. I'm not knocking Testing Games video as I use them now for more accurate real world performance but all of the main reviewers are generally overclocking. If you are an enthusiast it's good and if you are new to PC gaming it shows there is more to the CPU. According to the steam survey nearly everyone on it is using 2-4 cores so we have no idea about specific CPU's unless there is a more detailed survey? I'm looking at last months one.
 
B1gbeard said:
According to the steam survey nearly everyone on it is using 2-4 cores so we have no idea about specific CPU's unless there is a more detailed survey? I'm looking at last months one.
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You can correlate core count and speeds.

Look at the Intel CPU speeds for example - only 4.63% have an Intel CPU running higher than 3.7ghz. The Steam surveys don't contain all the data to make a judgement, that's why I triangulated it with other sources such as ORB etc.
 
The Coffee Lakes are proclaimed dead :D

AMD Ryzen 7 2700X review: the Intel Coffee Lake killer https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-ryzen-7-2700x-review-benchmarks

The new AMD Ryzen 7 2700X is our first taste of AMD’s second-gen Ryzen processors... and it’s a hell of an introduction. For now it’s the top Pinnacle Ridge chip, with AMD seemingly withholding the Ryzen 7 2800X to see how Intel will respond. And they’re going to have to as the 2700X is making it difficult to now recommend an Intel Core processor over the new AMD Ryzen 2 CPUs.
 
opethdisciple said:
Is this true?

I've never seen them in any other benchmarks so close.

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I posted it earlier on here,since I was looking for Fallout 4 results on Youtube and I have them in my subs list(and forgot about them). The Ryzen 7 2700X is at 4.2GHZ and,the Core i7 8700K is configured to run at its peak all cores Turbo,ie, 4.4GHZ it seems.

Basically they are both configured at slightly above their all core Turbo boost speeds.

Also,remember the syncing is not perfect - in Arma III,Intel is ahead as expected by over 10FPS to 15FPS IIRC(and is the biggest percentage win for Intel as expected),and in the racing game,Intel is above 300FPS all the time and AMD dips under 300FPS for brief periods. Intel is a few FPS ahead in GTA V and Assassins Creed:Origin which threads well they are close,in FC5,Intel is ahead by upto 10FPS,in Hitman there are brief spells when Intel is 5 to 10FPS ahead,in BF1 Intel is briefly over 10 FPS faster in some areas and so on. If you look at their Core i7 8700K and Ryzen 7 1800X comparisons the Core i7 8700K has a much bigger margin of victory overall. Remember the benchmarks are not scripted ones but run throughs which you and I could also do - most of the review sites don't bother showing what they are testing.

Anyway,as with any of these reviews,use it as one of many data points to get a rough impression of things. Its why I have put as many reviews into the OP as I can!! :p
 
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I still cant believe that folk think everyone overclocks..
I can bet you a right baw nut that the vast vast majority of 8700s do not see a single hertz over there stock setups. The vast majority of cpus will be sitting on stock or low end coolers, in crap cases with crap psus running crap boards and stock speed ram.

That is what the real world is like.
 
Thought i would do a couple of clock for clock benches against the stock 2700X single thread results that we are seeing against my 6700K at the same clocks as seeing a fair few reviews are doing the 2700X @ 4.2Ghz (if anyone is curious, i know i was) :)

RAM is at 3200Mhz

[email protected] CINEBENCH & CPUZ Single Thread Results
(After ALL security patches and BIOS Microcode update)

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As a part time Twitch streamer, i'm seriously thinking about switching to the 2700X, i dont mind losing a few FPS for a better quality stream along with a little more headroom for other tasks while streaming.
I already have 3200Mhz DDR4 RAM so it shouldnt cost me much more than £400 for the switch over.

Problem is, will there be a 2800 and/or 2800X coming in the near future? If so then i'd rather go for that instead.

No rush though, i'll hold off a bit and see how it pans out :)
 
MyBrains said:
Thought i would do a couple of clock for clock benches against the stock 2700X single thread results that we are seeing against my 6700K at the same clocks as seeing a fair few reviews are doing the 2700X @ 4.2Ghz (if anyone is curious, i know i was) :)

RAM is at 3200Mhz

[email protected] CINEBENCH & CPUZ Single Thread Results
(After ALL security patches and BIOS Microcode update)

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Looking at reviews the 2700X scores between 180 and 185 at 4.2, so can we say 182? that would make the IPC difference between 1 and 2%, in my book that = nothing in it.

Not bad, in fact they have done very well to catch-up, i would say quickly but sadly bulldozer was with us for a long time.
 
humbug said:
Looking at reviews the 2700X scores between 180 and 185 at 4.2, so can we say 182? that would make the IPC difference between 1 and 2%, in my book that = nothing in it.

Not bad, in fact they have done very well to catch-up, i would say quickly but sadly bulldozer was with us for a long time.
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One thing i did notice was that after the BIOS microcode security update, the single thread result didnt change, but the multithread result dropped by up to 25 points.

I'm no review expert, but i think all patches need to be installed before any reviews take place, and all these 8700K at over 5.0Ghz clocks are just annoying to me.. most people wont even overclock.
 
MyBrains said:
One thing i did notice was that after the BIOS microcode security update, the single thread result didnt change, but the multithread result dropped by up to 25 points.

I'm no review expert, but i think all patches need to be installed before any reviews take place, and all these 8700K at over 5.0Ghz clocks are just annoying to me.. most people wont even overclock.
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What I would like is the stock benchmarks to be run with a cheaper cooler and the more typical higher end one too,on both platforms.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
What I would like is the stock benchmarks to be run with a cheaper cooler and the more typical higher end one too,on both platforms.
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Hardware Unboxed has reviewed cheap coolers before, maybe he'll do some for the new Ryzens if requested.. the Kitguru video showed how the supplied cooler ran, i watched that video last night and it seems to do well if not overclocking.

Edit.. go to 2.05

 
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