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OcUK Ryzen 3000/Zen 2 review thread


The heatsinks on the motherboard they used are tiny - it's why the MSI B450 ones are OK due to the much larger surface area. Still it appears the motherboard worked.

However,TPU made an error IMHO - they used a vertical air cooler. The reason why Intel and AMD stock coolers are horizontal is that they force air over the VRMs. Vertical coolers don't do this as well.
 
wow the 3600 looks pretty much keeps up with 3700x! was thinking of getting the 3700x but may get away with the 3600
they are all about the same as far as I can tell, so if you want it purely for gaming, looks like 3600 is the one to get and save yourself some pennies.

But if you do anything else at all with the PC then pay extra for more cores. :)
 
they are all about the same as far as I can tell, so if you want it purely for gaming, looks like 3600 is the one to get and save yourself some pennies.

But if you do anything else at all with the PC then pay extra for more cores. :)

thanks what about the 3600x? do you think this is worth the extra? all i do is game really just want something that will be a worthy upgrade to my 3770k
 
wow the 3600 looks pretty much keeps up with 3700x! was thinking of getting the 3700x but may get away with the 3600

they are similar ipc so they will do. in games. the problem is the future and more games using more cores. those two extra on the 3700x will most likely be worth it in many ways. especially if you building a system to last you a few years.we already at you need x6 cores for a lot of games. so imagine in two years. that will be 8 cores.

also the whole launch to be honest has been a minefield. low stock almost paper launch. retailers not getting deliveries on time. phantom sales. old motherboards basically like russian roulette. some have old boards working right some dont. even on flash back boards with no cpus needed. which are supposed to work fine. then you see some older boards VRMs not capable of taking the heat of higher end new chips. which is one of the main reasons many have fell for the AMD sales pitch of just drop in a new cpu. if only it was that simple and for many it wont be.

its to be expected with a new platform launch but...a lot of this is not well planned or taken care of. the performance when working right is not that bad pretty great in many ways but with intel launching new chips at end of this year and you know they will just work you have to wonder can amd just not just get it right and more streamlined.

im still actually interested in getting a 3700x if they can sort all this mess out in a adequate time with less of the issues. also report on which motherboards run fine with no potential issues. if they didnt have the fans on the new x570 chipset i bet many would just be plumping for those without a care. oh...yes the price...:D

what are people recommendations for buying new motherboards at the moment ? not x570 but can handle the higher end cpus all the way upto the 3900x.

3700x is what i think i will go with but want to play with the 3900. will a b450 be fine with that ?
 
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they are similar ipc so they will do. in games. the problem is the future and more games using more cores. those two extra on the 3700x will most likely be worth it in many ways. especially if you building a system to last you a few years.we already at you need x6 cores for a lot of games. so imagine in two years. that will be 8 cores.

also the whole launch to be honest has been a minefield. low stock almost paper launch. retailers not getting deliveries on time. phantom sales. old motherboards basically like russian roulette. some have old boards working right some dont. even on flash back boards with no cpus needed. which are supposed to work fine. then you see some older boards VRMs not capable of taking the heat of higher end new chips. which is one of the main reasons many have fell for the AMD sales pitch of just drop in a new cpu. if only it was that simple and for many it wont be.

its to be expected with a new platform launch but...a lot of this is not well planned or taken care of. the performance when working right is not that bad pretty great in many ways but with intel launching new chips at end of this year and you know they will just work you have to wonder can amd just not just get it right and more streamlined.

im still actually interested in getting a 3700x if they can sort all this mess out in a adequate time with less of the issues. also report on which motherboards run fine with no potential issues. if they didnt have the fans on the new x570 chipset i bet many would just be plumping for those without a care. oh...yes the price...:D

what are people recommendations for buying new motherboards at the moment ? not x570 but can handle the higher end cpus all the way upto the 3900x.

3700x is what i think i will go with but want to play with the 3900. will a b450 be fine with that ?

i have no idea how the b450 boards perform with ryzen 7s i think we will have to just wait a bit for more testing/reveiws to come through the problem is though the b450s boards seem to be selling out
 
thanks what about the 3600x? do you think this is worth the extra? all i do is game really just want something that will be a worthy upgrade to my 3770k
Until now benchmarks come out, it's hard to justify the extra at the 3600x costs. If it boosted a bit higher, it might be tempting, but as is a 3600 looks best value.
As mentioned by someone else, in the future when games for new consoles are coming out and fully utilising all 8 zen 2 cores, then the 3600 might come unstuck with PC ports of ps5 games. But then if that becomes the case, the 3700x could be picked up cheaper 2nd hand. There's a chance the 4000 series could be am4 compatible, in which I get an 8 core beast to carry me through that console generation like my 2600k case in this!
 
HUB test of a B350 with Ryzen 3000:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRaZ2Txv13M


World War Z has now had a patch and the Ryzen 7 3700X and Ryzen 9 3900X are close to the Core i9 9900K.

Another review has been added:
https://www.planet3dnow.de/cms/47396-zen-2-amd-ryzen-7-3700x-und-ryzen-9-3900x-im-test/25/

This has the first ARMA III test I have seen on Ryzen 3000:
https://www.planet3dnow.de/cms/wp-content/gallery/amd-ryzen-3000/d24.png

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A massive jump in performance over the previous generation!
 
Compliled reddit thread of reviews - ~1540 app and ~420 gaming benchmarks. https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cbsdbf/ryzen_3000_zen_2_meta_review_1540_application/

For App's -
  • compiled from 18 launch reviews, ~1540 single benchmarks included
  • "average" stand in all cases for the geometric mean
  • average weighted in favor of these reviews with a higher number of benchmarks
  • not included theoretical tests like Sandra & AIDA
  • not included singlethread results (Cinebench ST, Geekbench ST) and singlethread benchmarks (SuperPI)
  • not included PCMark overall results (bad scaling because of system & disk tests included)
  • on average the Ryzen 7 3700X is +34.6% faster than the Ryzen 7 1700X
  • on average the Ryzen 7 3700X is +21.8% faster than the Ryzen 7 2700X (on nearly the same clocks)
  • on average the Ryzen 7 3700X is +82.5% faster than the Core i7-7700K
  • on average the Ryzen 7 3700X is +30.5% faster than the Core i7-8700K
  • on average the Ryzen 7 3700X is +22.9% faster than the Core i7-9700K (and $45 cheaper)
  • on average the Ryzen 7 3700X is +2.2% faster than the Core i9-9900K (and $159 cheaper)
  • some launch reviews see the Core i9-9900K slightly above the Ryzen 7 3700X, some below - so it's more like a draw
  • on average the Ryzen 9 3900X is +27.2% faster than the Ryzen 7 3700X
  • on average the Ryzen 9 3900X is +30.1% faster than the Core i9-9900K

For Games -
  • compiled from 9 launch reviews, ~420 single benchmarks included
  • "average" stand in all cases for the geometric mean
  • only tests/results with 1% minimum framerates (usually on FullHD/1080p resolution) included
  • average slightly weighted in favor of these reviews with a higher number of benchmarks
  • not included any 3DMark & Unigine benchmarks
  • results from Zen 2 & Coffee Lake CPUs all in the same results sphere, just a 7% difference between the lowest and the highest (average) result
  • on average the Ryzen 7 3700X is +28.5% faster than the Ryzen 7 1700X
  • on average the Ryzen 7 3700X is +15.9% faster than the Ryzen 7 2700X (on nearly the same clocks)
  • on average the Ryzen 7 3700X is +9.4% faster than the Core i7-7700K
  • on average the Ryzen 7 3700X is -1.1% slower than the Core i7-8700K
  • on average the Ryzen 7 3700X is -5.9% slower than the Core i7-9700K (but $45 cheaper)
  • on average the Ryzen 7 3700X is -6.9% slower than the Core i9-9900K (but $159 cheaper)
  • on average the Ryzen 9 3900X is +1.8% faster than the Ryzen 7 3700X
  • on average the Ryzen 9 3900X is -5.2% slower than the Core i9-9900K
  • there is just a small difference between Core i7-9700K (8C/8T) and Core i9-9900K (8C/16T) of +1.0%, indicate that HyperThreading is not very useful (on gaming) for these CPUs with 8 cores and more

Given Techpowerup's RAM comparison that only looked up to 1080p, looks like if you do get the sweetspot of 3600C16 and the bios boost issues get sorted out, you will be more than equal to a 9900k in gaming and greatly surpass it in applications.
 
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Given the ****show of reviews and immaturity of Zen2 on release. This is very almost pointless/arbitrary and should be taken very roughly, with a side of salt.
Oh I agree, just figured people might want a look in the review thread, Especially as you say, the release being sketchy. you could probably assume this to be worst case scenarios.
 
Got a 3600x on an MSI B450 tomahawk with Team group vulcan 2 x 8gb @ 3000nhz,, absolutely no problems at all that I can see though the updated bios looks something out of 90s (I want my pretty graphics back, lol)
 
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