OcUK Ryzen APU review thread

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Ryzen 3 2200G and Ryzen 5 2400G

https://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/114962-amd-ryzen-5-2400g-ryzen-3-2200g/
https://techreport.com/review/33235/amd-ryzen-3-2200g-and-ryzen-5-2400g-apus-reviewed
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Ryzen...-APU-Gaming-Benchmarks-Ryzen-3-2200G-1249754/
https://www.sweclockers.com/test/25...och-ryzen-3-2200g-raven-ridge-med-vega-grafik
https://bit-tech.net/reviews/tech/cpus/amd-ryzen-5-2400g-and-ryzen-3-2200g-reviews/1/
https://www.hardware.fr/news/15356/amd-lance-apu-ryzen-5-2400g-ryzen-3-2200g.html
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12425/marrying-vega-and-zen-the-amd-ryzen-5-2400g-review
https://hothardware.com/reviews/amd-raven-ridge-ryzen-3-2200g-and-ryzen-5-2400g-am4-apu-review
http://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-5-2400g-2200g
https://www.forbes.com/sites/antony...ate-choice-for-budget-pc-gaming/#37279be05f7a
https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/AMD-Ryzen-5-2400G-and-Ryzen-3-2200G-Review-Return-APU
https://www.eteknix.com/ryzen-with-vega-60-fps-budget/
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...6-amd-ryzen-5-2400g-ryzen-3-2200g-review.html
https://nl.hardware.info/reviews/7933/amd-ryzen-5-2400g-a-ryzen-3-2200g-review-mmo-kampioenen
https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.p...-3-2200g-im-test-die-luecke-ist-gestopft.html
https://overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu...idge_ryzen_3_2200g_and_ryzen_5_2400g_review/1
http://lab501.ro/procesoare-chipseturi/raven-ridge-amd-ryzen-5-2400g-ryzen-3-2200g-part-ii-cpu
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8520/amd-ryzen-3-2200g-5-2400g-review/index.html
https://wasd.ro/hardware-reviews/mobo-cpu/amd-ryzen-3-2200g-ryzen-5-2400g-review-partea-1-cpu/
https://www.techspot.com/review/1574-amd-ryzen-5-2400g-and-ryzen-3-2200g/
https://www.pcworld.com/article/325...view-ryzen-plus-vega-saves-budget-gamers.html
http://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-5-2400g-2200g
https://www.kitguru.net/components/...and-ryzen-3-2200g-apus-code-name-raven-ridge/
https://hothardware.com/reviews/amd-raven-ridge-ryzen-3-2200g-and-ryzen-5-2400g-am4-apu-review
https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https://www.computerbase.de/2018-02/ryzen-3-2200g-5-2400g-test-amd-raven-ridge/&edit-text=
https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https://www.ht4u.net/reviews/2018/amd_ryzen_5_2400g_und_ryzen_3_2200g_raven_ridge/&edit-text=
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2018-ryzen-3-2200-g-ryzen-5-2400g-review
https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3261-r3-2200g-r5-2400g-review-gaming-benchmarks-vs-gt-1030



Ryzen 5 2400G

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-5-2400g-zen-vega-cpu-gpu,5467.html#xtor=RSS-100
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_5_2400G_Vega_11/
https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-ryzen-5-2400g-review,1.html
https://www.extremetech.com/computi...best-blend-cpu-gpu-performance-weve-ever-seen
https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-ryzen-5-2400g-review-benchmarks

Ryzen 3 2200G

https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-ryzen-3-2200g-review,1.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_3_2200G_Vega_8/
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-3-2200g-raven-ridge-cpu,5472.html

BLCK overclocking upto 4.56GHZ

https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-raven-ridge-overclocking


Ryzen 3 2200G and Ryzen 5 2400G video reviews

 

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Analysis from The Stilt:

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...rmance-unveiled.2533111/page-54#post-39301964

Some of my personal thoughts and experiences on Raven:

Based on the results of my test suite, the IPC of Raven varies between -4.8% - +2.8% compared to Zeppelin. The average difference being ~1.5% improvement. The difference is most likely a result of the changes made to the L2 & L3 caches, rather than the changes made to the actual Zen CPU cores themselves.

The early rumors were correct and Raven does in fact have a significantly lower L2 cache latency than Zeppelin does. The L2 cache in Raven has 12 CLK latency, whereas the L2 latency for Zeppelin is 17 CLKs. The L2 caches in Zeppelin never posed a limitation of any sort to the Fmax, so considering the halved L3 cache in Raven, getting rid of the “slack” in the L2 latency was a smart and most likely a highly beneficial move.

It is hard to tell exactly how small or large the penalty from the halved L3 cache is, as the L2 has been altered significantly at the same time. Generally, however the performance hit from the halved L3 cache varies between small and non-existent. Workloads which hit the > L1 caches hard, such as Bullet Physics library perform < 5% worse on Raven than on Zeppelin, which is equipped with twice the L3 cache per core. Considering that Bullet was relatively the worst performing workload in the whole test suite for Raven, it is rather safe to say that the hit from the smaller L3 cache is extremely minor in general.

The difference between the Vega 8 (8CU/2RB) iGPU and Vega 11 (11CU/2RB) iGPU at the same frequency is extremely minor, usually around 8-11% depending on the memory frequency. At stock Vega 8 operates at 1100MHz engine clock and Vega 11 at 1240MHz (1251MHz nominal) engine clock. The typical overclock for both of the variants is >= 1600MHz at 1.200V SoC voltage. Due to the present memory bandwidth limitation, both of them will perform almost the same when they are overclocked close or to the typical maximum frequency.

One major thing to consider prior overclocking the iGPU on Raven APUs is the power consumption. Most of the mainstream AM4 motherboards have a 2 phase VRM for the VDDCR_SoC voltage rail (in varying quality and with varying cooling as well), which on Raven not only supplies the SoC portion of the chip but the GPU cores as well. At stock the peak power consumption of Vega 11 is around 36W. When overclocked to the typical 1600MHz engine frequency, the power consumption will raise to 55-60W. While 60W doesn't sound too high, it is more than plenty for the average 2 phase VRM (around 25A per phase).

Just like Zeppelin, Raven also features the so called "OC-Mode". On Raven there are two separate triggers to activate the “OC-Mode”: by increasing the CPU frequency or by increasing the iGPU engine frequency. Triggering either one will get rid all of the limiters (power, current, utilization) and voltage controllers, the same way as it did on Zeppelin. The only difference is that by triggering just iGPU “OC-Mode”, the Turbo / XFR features of the CPU will not be lost like they were on Zeppelin. However at least for the time being, it is not advised to only trigger the iGPU “OC-Mode”: Activating either of the “OC-Modes” will disable all of the voltage controllers, meaning that when the Turbo / XFR will still remain active the CPU voltage will raise to extremely high levels. When the CPU “OC-Mode” is activated Turbo and XFR will be disabled as well, just like on Zeppelin and the CPU voltage will remain at reasonably sane levels due to the slightly lower resulting frequencies.

Activating either of the “OC-Modes” will also immediately disable the dLDO for the GPU cores. At stock the iGPU dLDO feeds on the VDDCR_SoC voltage rail and the typical voltage drop on the regulator is around 250mV. Once the “OC-Mode” is activated the GPU dLDO is placed in a bypass mode, meaning the GPU cores will then receive the source voltage directly without any further dropouts.

The memory controller on Raven clearly contains some changes in comparison to Zeppelin, however the said changes unfortunately appear to be rather minor and quite possibly affect more the firmwares of the controller than the actual hardware IP itself. On average the memory latency has decreased by ~3% at the same settings, but the bandwidth seems to have regressed slightly at the same time. Also, the highest achievable memory frequency seems to be exactly the same as on Zeppelin, 3400 - 3533MHz depending on the silicon quality, the motherboard and the DRAM modules used. Fortunately, at least the memory training speed and reliability has been vastly improved.

Similar to Zeppelin, the frequency headroom for the CPU cores themselves is very slim over the stock frequencies. The typical, highest practical CPU frequency will be around 3.85 - 3.95GHz depending on the silicon quality.

Higher than the mentioned frequencies might be possible, however achieving them will require the voltage to be raised to a point where the power efficiency is long gone and the life time of the silicon is reduced. At frequencies beyond the inflation point (3.9GHz in the chart) the cost of the last 100MHz in frequency can easily be > 25% increase in the power consumption.

With the tested samples 4.1GHz could not be achieved even at 1.550V despite 4.0GHz was deemed stable at 1.375V, which is already high but still well in the realms of sustainable.

With Raven there is also another aspect, which is not present on Zeppelin: Unlike Zeppelin, Raven uses conventional TIM (instead of indium sTIM) between the core and the heatspreader. The conventional TIM used on Raven isn’t the only factor which affects it’s thermals either. Due to the extreme thinness of the Raven die, the heatspreader used for Raven AM4 APUs has been redesigned. Normally the contact surface inside the heatspeader is perfectly flat. The heatspreaders used on Raven have a “hump” inside them, which allows the heatspreader to make contact with the die itself. Without the “hump” the heatspreader would only make contact with the SMD components located around the die, which are standing taller than the die itself. The “hump” adds an extra 0.5mm to the heatspreader thickness and therefore increases the thermal resistance of the heatspreader as well.

Despite the Raven's slightly larger die size, the temperatures are still significantly higher at the same power dissipation and cooling. Even at a modest 65W power dissipation the CPU cores can reach excess of 70°C temperatures.

An aftermarket cooler is definitely recommended at least for the 2400G, especially if there is any plans to overclock the chip. 2400G at the stock configuration is already somewhat bound by the default 65W power limit and the chip can easily dissipate up to 120W of heat when it is overclocked to the typical maximum figures.

Some ballpark 3D performance figures, based on my own testing: RX 550 is around 22% faster and the RX 560 around 68% faster than a stock 2400G APU.
When the 2400G APU is overclocked to the typical maximum figures (1600MHz engine and 3400MHz DRAM) it’s performance is almost identical to a stock RX 550.

- 2400G at stock: 1240MHz engine, 2933MHz DRAM (3236 in 3DMark Fire Strike)
- 2400G at a typical max OC: 1600MHz engine, 3400MHz DRAM (3960 in 3DMark Fire Strike)
- RX 550 at stock: 1210MHz engine, 7000MHz (QDR) DRAM (3955 in 3DMark Fire Strike)
- RX 560 at stock: 1210MHz engine, 7000MHz (QDR) DRAM (5430 in 3DMark Fire Strike)

If you are unfamiliar with some of the terms used, please check the original Ryzen: Strictly Technical write-up.

 

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I don't know much about these, however if I remember correctly, the old ones could be paired with an independent GPU and utilise both, is this still the case?

Nope,AFAIK.

 

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Some multiplayer benchmarks of the Ryzen 5 2400G in OW and BF1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=210tkGvTTiA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0cxIRp8Q0g

I'm quite tempted by one of these as a project. Price of DDR4 is putting me off though. 8GB isn't going to be enough once you've dedicated RAM to the graphics, and ~£200 for 16GB of fast DDR4 is bordering on obscene.

16GB kit of DDR3 was £38 last time I bought about a year ago... put 48GB in an ESXi X58 box for under £120...

It will be. People worry too much!!

I have another older generation A6 3670K based system,and it is fine for normal stuff with 8GB of system RAM.

 

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MP results for the Ryzen 3 2200G in OW,PUBG and Fortnite:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gSrGlax2JM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NuZG5_sdsU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9WiseBU9sI

 

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AMD will provide a Boot Kit Solution if your motherboard needs a BIOS update for 2nd Generation Ryzen processors

https://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/2Gen-Ryzen-AM4-System-Bootup.aspx

I am a bit peeved with that - its quite obvious to AMD there are plenty of motherboards which don't work with it since,so I don't simply understand why they didn't ship the kit to retailers,so you could buy one for a nominal fee if you needed it.

They only mentioned it after launch when people had issues,and the problem is looking at the compatibility list won't tell you whether a board at a retailer works or not.

I honestly feel AMD needs to do something about this - its the second consumer launch where there are motherboard problems and despite the AGESA update being available in November and most likely ES RR CPUs for months before that due to RR mobile,their own partners CBA.

It reflects bad on AMD.

 

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I'm guessing a "boot kit" is a loan low-spec CPU that you can use to update the BIOS?

Probably a kibbled BR CPU. I honestly can't believe AMD made such a great APU,and now compatability is a mindfield. There really seems to be a big issue between them and their board partners. RR came out in October for laptops,so including the ramping up of production,ES should have been there for the better part of six months.

I naively thought that most boards should boot fine,at least enough to get a BIOS update but there is no guarentee of that.

Asus did some updates in December,but the rest of them seemed to have released updates only recently:

https://www.kitguru.net/components/...-raven-ridge-apu-support-to-am4-motherboards/

ATM,I am trying to make a list to see what boards should work out of the box,even for basic BIOS updating. If people have to order a £45 BR CPU,or wait an unknown amount of time,its really not a good thing.

 

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Potential old BIOS issues is what put me off being a early adopter. I don't have any other AM4 CPUs or access to any. Probably best to wait a couple of months while they get the bugs out. At least AMD have jumped on it within a couple of days.

Yeah,but it worrys me as people wait longer,it means Intel will eventually launch more budget CFL CPUs,the lower end boards and Nvidia might even try and respond in some way.

This is a great APU,especially in the Ryzen 3 2200G,so just seems a bit annoying TBH.

Edit!!

I am trying to scout what boards work out of the box,so hopefully over the next week I can find some.

Gigabyte AB350M Gaming 3 with the F10 BIOS seems to work.

 

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Perhaps an obvious statement, but I would bet a call to Overclockers would confirm very quickly which of their boards are APU ready. I am in New Zealand so use a retailer here - and they had three boards that they knew would work. It was 10 bucks more than going with the Prime, which would have been my preference - but it did mean i got a board that I knew would work.

Can you remember the list?? It would be useful!!

 

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i cant confirm on the asus prime x370 pro it wont even boot into windows 7 at all. 10/10 would buy again

Thanks. What CPU was it - the Ryzen 5 2400G?? What is the BIOS revision??

 

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2400g 3803 and 3203 then 3404. i can post upto 4.05ghz on 1.4v

Ok,maybe its just me(probably its me) I don't seem to be reading you right,did it boot out of the box and if so what BIOS revision was it?

 

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Sorry, no. They said there were 3 B350 boards that they were carrying that they knew they could sell with confidence. Can we name drop some OCUK staff and see if someone can give us a comment on known good stock being sold by them?

It would be useful - if we can at least get some good candidates,at least it will be a guide for any early adopters.

 

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The TH Ryzen 3 2200G and DigitalFoundry Ryzen 3 2200G reviews have been added to the OP!!

 

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Picture of the "boot kit" which is basically a retail A6 9500:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/7yyew9/just_wanted_to_confirm_that_the_boot_kit_from_amd/

 

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Just apply for the free loaner CPU - people in the UK already have received them.

 

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I added some more reviews to the OP!!

 

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Great, just ordered the 2200, strix b350-f and a used x4 950 to flash bios if necessary, that will be returned.

Please tell us if the X4 950 was required or not!!

 

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Ok mobo came with updated bios. It might be going back because it can't run 4k 60 youtube content back smoothly, I mean WTF. The GPU decode is hitting 90+% and causing massive frame drops. Unless someone can come up with a solution it's going back.

Is this from OcUK?? What web browsers are you using??