OCZ Vertex2 very slow boot

Have you tried the bootable OCZ firmware update tool instead of using Windows version? Download is 57.2MB and can create a bootable CD or USB memory stick.

Guide page
Firmware page

Seems to include some tools too so handy to have.

I've recently installed Intel® Chipset Device Software (INF Update Utility) 9.4.0.1017 instead of RST. No idea if better or just basically a renamed RST driver. Changed Device Manager listing for my Core2Duo series 4 motherboard.

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Thanks for all the help, I've downloaded that bootable tool, so I'll try it on CD later


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Bane said:
Have you tried the bootable OCZ firmware update tool instead of using Windows version? Download is 57.2MB and can create a bootable CD or USB memory stick.

Guide page
Firmware page

Seems to include some tools too so handy to have.

I've recently installed Intel® Chipset Device Software (INF Update Utility) 9.4.0.1017 instead of RST. No idea if better or just basically a renamed RST driver. Changed Device Manager listing for my Core2Duo series 4 motherboard.

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No disrespect intended ... but the INF is not a device driver of any sort.

Quote:
"An INF is a text file that provides the operating system with information about a piece of hardware on the system. In the case of the current Intel Chipset Device Software, that information is primarily the product name for the piece of hardware. This allows the operating system to show the correct name for that piece of hardware in Device Manager.
"

see http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/ff549520(v=vs.85).aspx

You look to be running Intel RST AHCI drivers version 9
 
What sata port are you using, Intel or Marvell?

If Marvell, i seem to remember there was problems with sandforce controllers. This may slow down your boot time. Maybe cause problems with updating firmware also (speculation on my part).
 
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freddie64 said:
What sata port are you using, Intel or Marvell?

If Marvell, i seem to remember there was problems with sandforce controllers. This may slow down your boot time. Maybe cause problems with updating firmware also (speculation on my part).
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It is not true, because Sandforce based drives boot quickly, they have ultra fast access time, don't need
defragmenting EVER and in SF drives, don't even need TRIM because they handle it internally.
 
I run my other system off a Vertex 2, but boot time is no where near 45 seconds mate. Thats on my older motherboard, which was still the right speed. Not sure why yours would be so slow.
 
freddie64 said:
....a sandforce controlled ssd connected to a marvell sata port.
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Good point. Though from the speed tests that the OP has run, I would suspect his SSD is connected to an Intel controller (as they are pretty much in line with what I would have expected). If connected to a Marvell controller, I would have expected his benchmarks to look dire. As commented a couple of times already, the poor write speed for incompressible data is because of the 22nm NAND used in these later Vertex 2 drives.

If the OP is still worried about his apparent slow boot. Then as someone else suggested, we really need more information. First would be an indication as to what he has used to time his boot. And we can then move forward from there....
 
freddie64 said:
Sorry, i meant problem with a sandforce controlled ssd connected to a marvell sata port.
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Most of the times it really turns out to be the compatibility issues rather than controllers. Just ensure to keep the controller firmware updated & also SSD manufacturer firmware up to date as well. And also, SandForce second-generation processors require the bandwidth afforded to the host interface to deliver sustained sequential read/write performance up to 500 MB/s
 
Johnchristin said:
...And also, SandForce second-generation processors require the bandwidth afforded to the host interface to deliver sustained sequential read/write performance up to 500 MB/s
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Though this is obviously a non issue for the OPs SSD, as the Vertex 2 drives are only SATA II.
 
Apologies for not responding quicker.
The firmware is now upto date, but didn't seem to make much if any difference to the boot time.
I've no idea what SATA controller I'm using, how do I find out? it's connected to SATA 0 on the motherboard.

One thing to add to this, may or may not be a problem, but since I've enabled ACHI (or whatever it's called), the boot time of the BIOS has slowed a tad, and now all my drives are listed in the taskbar. I'm not sure what it's called, but the icon you click on to eject a USB device or SD card etc. All my drives are in there. I've never seen a PC do that before.

If anyone knows the name of that program mentioned earlier regarding the boot logs/errors, I'd be interested to know.

Also, I'm using a Razor keyboard (not sure of model at the moment), the BIOS hangs until the keyboard lights illuminate, I'm wondering if Windows could be waiting for it as well?


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I've done some Googling and had a look in Event Manager. These are the details from a 'normal' boot. This has a Warning error next to it, and boot time of 44 seconds.

Code: 
Log Name:      Microsoft-Windows-Diagnostics-Performance/Operational
Source:        Microsoft-Windows-Diagnostics-Performance
Date:          04/06/2013 18:34:37
Event ID:      100
Task Category: Boot Performance Monitoring
Level:         Warning
Keywords:      Event Log
User:          LOCAL SERVICE
Computer:      Chris-PC
Description:
Windows has started up: 
     Boot Duration		:	44030ms
     IsDegradation		:	false
     Incident Time (UTC)	:	‎2013‎-‎06‎-‎04T17:32:53.656000300Z
Event Xml:
<Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event">
  <System>
    <Provider Name="Microsoft-Windows-Diagnostics-Performance" Guid="{CFC18EC0-96B1-4EBA-961B-622CAEE05B0A}" />
    <EventID>100</EventID>
    <Version>2</Version>
    <Level>3</Level>
    <Task>4002</Task>
    <Opcode>34</Opcode>
    <Keywords>0x8000000000010000</Keywords>
    <TimeCreated SystemTime="2013-06-04T17:34:37.596185000Z" />
    <EventRecordID>191</EventRecordID>
    <Correlation ActivityID="{0330BC70-F800-0006-8669-388B4961CE01}" />
    <Execution ProcessID="1960" ThreadID="2984" />
    <Channel>Microsoft-Windows-Diagnostics-Performance/Operational</Channel>
    <Computer>Chris-PC</Computer>
    <Security UserID="S-1-5-19" />
  </System>
  <EventData>
    <Data Name="BootTsVersion">2</Data>
    <Data Name="BootStartTime">2013-06-04T17:32:53.656000300Z</Data>
    <Data Name="BootEndTime">2013-06-04T17:34:35.564068800Z</Data>
    <Data Name="SystemBootInstance">63</Data>
    <Data Name="UserBootInstance">52</Data>
    <Data Name="BootTime">44030</Data>
    <Data Name="MainPathBootTime">32830</Data>
    <Data Name="BootKernelInitTime">18</Data>
    <Data Name="BootDriverInitTime">496</Data>
    <Data Name="BootDevicesInitTime">4474</Data>
    <Data Name="BootPrefetchInitTime">0</Data>
    <Data Name="BootPrefetchBytes">0</Data>
    <Data Name="BootAutoChkTime">0</Data>
    <Data Name="BootSmssInitTime">2761</Data>
    <Data Name="BootCriticalServicesInitTime">489</Data>
    <Data Name="BootUserProfileProcessingTime">114</Data>
    <Data Name="BootMachineProfileProcessingTime">49</Data>
    <Data Name="BootExplorerInitTime">24128</Data>
    <Data Name="BootNumStartupApps">14</Data>
    <Data Name="BootPostBootTime">11200</Data>
    <Data Name="BootIsRebootAfterInstall">false</Data>
    <Data Name="BootRootCauseStepImprovementBits">0</Data>
    <Data Name="BootRootCauseGradualImprovementBits">0</Data>
    <Data Name="BootRootCauseStepDegradationBits">0</Data>
    <Data Name="BootRootCauseGradualDegradationBits">0</Data>
    <Data Name="BootIsDegradation">false</Data>
    <Data Name="BootIsStepDegradation">false</Data>
    <Data Name="BootIsGradualDegradation">false</Data>
    <Data Name="BootImprovementDelta">0</Data>
    <Data Name="BootDegradationDelta">0</Data>
    <Data Name="BootIsRootCauseIdentified">false</Data>
    <Data Name="OSLoaderDuration">1698</Data>
    <Data Name="BootPNPInitStartTimeMS">18</Data>
    <Data Name="BootPNPInitDuration">4638</Data>
    <Data Name="OtherKernelInitDuration">94</Data>
    <Data Name="SystemPNPInitStartTimeMS">4726</Data>
    <Data Name="SystemPNPInitDuration">333</Data>
    <Data Name="SessionInitStartTimeMS">5065</Data>
    <Data Name="Session0InitDuration">1307</Data>
    <Data Name="Session1InitDuration">191</Data>
    <Data Name="SessionInitOtherDuration">1262</Data>
    <Data Name="WinLogonStartTimeMS">7827</Data>
    <Data Name="OtherLogonInitActivityDuration">710</Data>
    <Data Name="UserLogonWaitDuration">184</Data>
  </EventData>
</Event>

This is a slower boot of 105 seconds, and is flagged with an Error.

Code: 
Log Name:      Microsoft-Windows-Diagnostics-Performance/Operational
Source:        Microsoft-Windows-Diagnostics-Performance
Date:          04/06/2013 07:42:40
Event ID:      100
Task Category: Boot Performance Monitoring
Level:         Error
Keywords:      Event Log
User:          LOCAL SERVICE
Computer:      Chris-PC
Description:
Windows has started up: 
     Boot Duration		:	105179ms
     IsDegradation		:	false
     Incident Time (UTC)	:	‎2013‎-‎06‎-‎04T06:39:56.656000300Z
Event Xml:
<Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event">
  <System>
    <Provider Name="Microsoft-Windows-Diagnostics-Performance" Guid="{CFC18EC0-96B1-4EBA-961B-622CAEE05B0A}" />
    <EventID>100</EventID>
    <Version>2</Version>
    <Level>2</Level>
    <Task>4002</Task>
    <Opcode>34</Opcode>
    <Keywords>0x8000000000010000</Keywords>
    <TimeCreated SystemTime="2013-06-04T06:42:40.652719000Z" />
    <EventRecordID>189</EventRecordID>
    <Correlation ActivityID="{03300C70-F800-0006-059F-E853EE60CE01}" />
    <Execution ProcessID="1952" ThreadID="2964" />
    <Channel>Microsoft-Windows-Diagnostics-Performance/Operational</Channel>
    <Computer>Chris-PC</Computer>
    <Security UserID="S-1-5-19" />
  </System>
  <EventData>
    <Data Name="BootTsVersion">2</Data>
    <Data Name="BootStartTime">2013-06-04T06:39:56.656000300Z</Data>
    <Data Name="BootEndTime">2013-06-04T06:42:38.882617800Z</Data>
    <Data Name="SystemBootInstance">62</Data>
    <Data Name="UserBootInstance">51</Data>
    <Data Name="BootTime">105179</Data>
    <Data Name="MainPathBootTime">93179</Data>
    <Data Name="BootKernelInitTime">18</Data>
    <Data Name="BootDriverInitTime">732</Data>
    <Data Name="BootDevicesInitTime">64352</Data>
    <Data Name="BootPrefetchInitTime">0</Data>
    <Data Name="BootPrefetchBytes">0</Data>
    <Data Name="BootAutoChkTime">0</Data>
    <Data Name="BootSmssInitTime">3018</Data>
    <Data Name="BootCriticalServicesInitTime">476</Data>
    <Data Name="BootUserProfileProcessingTime">113</Data>
    <Data Name="BootMachineProfileProcessingTime">55</Data>
    <Data Name="BootExplorerInitTime">24106</Data>
    <Data Name="BootNumStartupApps">14</Data>
    <Data Name="BootPostBootTime">12000</Data>
    <Data Name="BootIsRebootAfterInstall">false</Data>
    <Data Name="BootRootCauseStepImprovementBits">0</Data>
    <Data Name="BootRootCauseGradualImprovementBits">0</Data>
    <Data Name="BootRootCauseStepDegradationBits">0</Data>
    <Data Name="BootRootCauseGradualDegradationBits">0</Data>
    <Data Name="BootIsDegradation">false</Data>
    <Data Name="BootIsStepDegradation">false</Data>
    <Data Name="BootIsGradualDegradation">false</Data>
    <Data Name="BootImprovementDelta">0</Data>
    <Data Name="BootDegradationDelta">0</Data>
    <Data Name="BootIsRootCauseIdentified">false</Data>
    <Data Name="OSLoaderDuration">1688</Data>
    <Data Name="BootPNPInitStartTimeMS">18</Data>
    <Data Name="BootPNPInitDuration">64745</Data>
    <Data Name="OtherKernelInitDuration">106</Data>
    <Data Name="SystemPNPInitStartTimeMS">64845</Data>
    <Data Name="SystemPNPInitDuration">339</Data>
    <Data Name="SessionInitStartTimeMS">65191</Data>
    <Data Name="Session0InitDuration">1892</Data>
    <Data Name="Session1InitDuration">190</Data>
    <Data Name="SessionInitOtherDuration">936</Data>
    <Data Name="WinLogonStartTimeMS">68210</Data>
    <Data Name="OtherLogonInitActivityDuration">693</Data>
    <Data Name="UserLogonWaitDuration">198</Data>
  </EventData>
</Event>

All the events recoreded show either Error or Warning. About 50/50. Does this give anyone any helpful info?
 
If it was me, I'd initially try the following:

- Check your system files. If only to eliminate this being an issue:
Call up a Command Prompt and type sfc /scannnow

- Perform a Diagnostic startup and see what your boot time looks like:
IE. run MSCONFIG and select Diagnostic Startup.

Depending on the above, then there might be some mileage in trying the following:

- Perform a clean startup and see what your boot time is like then:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/331796/en-gb
This might be able to highlight if a particular service is causing an issue.
Only the first step of the above is probably helpful to you.

Lots of faffing around I know. But that's fault finding for you :(
 
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