***** Official 2014 BBQ Thread - Sun is out, time to grill!! *****

Perfected the pork belly the other week.

Separate the skin first, basically 1 hour in the oven (we have an open BBQ), and the skin will not have started to harden but get the main slab of meat nicely on the way.. then roast and let the crackling get crackly.. I found that the heat is medium to get a good roast and good snap. If the skin goes nuts and you get blisters bursting then you've got it a bit too hot.
 
Webber are far more expensive than they should be(good quality but basic design), and the design is not good for large cooking, as you waste so much apace by indirect grilling. And their massive one is well over £1k

And guarantees are next to useless. It's enamelled or protected metal. the chance of it rusting out is pretty much zero. Even a cheap BBQ will last 4+ years.

A vertical smoker , is much better. Webber vs proQ, proQ is £110 cheaper and a damn site better design and again more usable space.
Ideally I would want to make my own horizontal Texas style smoker. But that would also cost to much atm, not sure how much as I would need a cad and CFD person to do the fine detailing. Before working out build cost. And that design work maybe expensive to begin with.

Oh man just seen the proQ excel you can get a rotisserie for it as well.

You're talking about the ranch kettle which is absolutely enormous (98cm diameter). You can't really compare the cost of that vs a wsm/proQ as it's a completely different product designed primarily for commercial uses. And if all enamelled steel is equally invulnerable then why don't other manufacturers offer similar length warranties? I'm not slating the ProQ, buy whatever the best cooker you can afford is, but don't start thinking that you're buying the same quality for half the price.

Want the opinion of other amateurs and professionals?
http://bbbqs.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=4800&start=10
http://bbbqs.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1254&start=10#p10428

Also, offset stick burners are a whole different ball game, far more fuel hungry, need a lot of attention and a decent model is expensive, but are considered the much more traditional bbq. Vertical smokers are far more economic on fuel and fire management is much more predictable, once you've learned your pit you can pretty much set it and forget it.
 
You're talking about the ranch kettle which is absolutely enormous (98cm diameter). You can't really compare the cost of that vs a wsm/proQ as it's a completely different product designed primarily for commercial uses. And if all enamelled steel is equally invulnerable then why don't other manufacturers offer similar length warranties? I'm not slating the ProQ, buy whatever the best cooker you can afford is, but don't start thinking that you're buying the same quality for half the price.

Want the opinion of other amateurs and professionals?
http://bbbqs.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=4800&start=10
http://bbbqs.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1254&start=10#p10428

Also, offset stick burners are a whole different ball game, far more fuel hungry, need a lot of attention and a decent model is expensive, but are considered the much more traditional bbq. Vertical smokers are far more economic on fuel and fire management is much more predictable, once you've learned your pit you can pretty much set it and forget it.

Of the the two threads you linked all posts but one recommended the ProQ equal to or better than the WSM.
 
After my disappointment with the bought Piri Piri sauce (post #288), I decided to make my own. I had a look at the recipe CHokKA posted from FrenchTart but I took one look at it and thought there was far too much vinegar and lemon juice in it - that looks really sour.

I found this recipe which looked far better for my taste. The recipe suggests using 4 Cayenne peppers. I had 3 ripe Cayennes and 1 ripe Scotch Bonnet on my plants so I used them.

I must say, I was very impressed. All the main flavours came through: The smokiness of the paprika, the slight tang of lemon, a hint of garlic and, last but not least, the wonderful fruitiness and heat of the Scotch Bonnet. Heat was just about perfect. I'll definitely be making this again.

Also, this time I brined my 1/2 chicken for 5 hours before marinading for 3 hours. The flesh was lovely and soft and tender. I served it with onion seed pita breads instead of the sourdough flatbreads - they were nice. All in all, a very satisfying meal. I didn't bother with photos as it looked basically the same as the last one.
 
I recently bought a gas bbq, and my brother said to get some lava rocks and stuff to put into it, but whats the point?

Does it really add that much flavor to make a difference?

I've used it a few times since buying it a few weeks ago and the food just tastes the same as any food I've had from charcoal bbq's hence the question :)
 
To be honest it's not that sour but you do have to compare the quantities you're producing in the two recipes. Compared to horrific store-bought peri peri I would say the vinegar/sour notes are minimal :) Glad to hear your recipe is good though - I'll have to give it a try sometime.
 
Of the the two threads you linked all posts but one recommended the ProQ equal to or better than the WSM.

I was going to say the exact same thing. I have both brands. I own two Weber MasterTouch 57cm kettles, a Weber Bar-B-Kettle 57cm and a ProQ Excel 20 Smoker. When I was looking to buy a smoker I thought it wasn't worth paying the extra £100-odd for a WSM when it lacks a lot of the common sense features that my Excel has. Against the Weber the ProQ has two doors, thermometer probe holes (although they've now added these to the WSM), two stackers that can be expanded, the ability to be used as a kettle grill or a one or two stack smoker out of the box (so I can take a BBQ with me whilst on holiday), a fish hanger built into the lid to allow smoking of fish, and pretty much the other features that the WSM has. I know how good the quality of the Weber kettles are and the WSM will be the same, but the quality of the Excel is just as good. Just because they don't have the same warranty doesn't make them any less good. ProQs are made by a relatively small outfit compared to Weber but their quality is just as good.

Paying an extra £100 for a product with less features just to get the warranty support seems silly to me. I don't buy extended warranties when I purchase white or electrical goods in the shop so I wouldn't do it with a smoker either.

I have also had experience with both MacsBBQ and Weber warranty support and they're both just as good as each other as well. In fact the chap at Macs took time out to give me a call about my issue and also made some suggestions to help me be a better smoker :) I found it to be a bit more personal and I thought it was rather nice to have that extra touch.
 
Good to hear a more balanced review :p

I'm going to kind of miss smoking with a drum smoker or struggling with my kettle BBQ but the pallet smoker is going to be awesome to use :) Will have to order in a ton of pork butts, briskets and beef short ribs I think.
 
How about a recipe to keep us going until we get the pics? :)

The Ćevapčići I had in Mostar were quite small (4” length and 1” thick) but I made mine bigger (5” x 2”). I made 10 from using just over 600g of minced meat.

Just to note, it's best to make the sausages 24 hours in advance to let the flavours mingle rather than anyone trying this and realising when about to BBQ

I’m led to believe traditional Ćevapčići use a combination (or all) of the following meats, but a minimum of two:

Ingredients:
▪ 200g Minced Beef
▪ 200g Minced Lamb
▪ 200g Minced Pork
▪ 200g Minced Turkey
I used 450g pork and 150g lamb (that’s all I had).
▪ 1 onion, finely chopped (I diced onion but should have chopped more finely)
▪ 3 cloves garlic, crushed
▪ 1 green chilli, finely chopped
▪ 1 egg white, beaten
▪ 1 teaspoon paprika (I used smoked as I personally think it gives a much deeper flavour)
▪ Salt and freshly ground black pepper to taste (I really under seasoned mine, needed much more than I thought)

Method:
▪ Mix the meat together and set to one side.
▪ Saute the chopped onions in a little bit of oil.
▪ Add the crushed garlic 2 minutes before onions are ready.
▪ Add the onions and garlic mixture to the meat.
▪ Combine egg white and paprika and beat well together.
▪ Mix all ingredients well.
▪ Form into sausage shapes.
▪ Cover with cling film and refrigerate for at least an hour (or overnight preferably)


For the ajvar relish:

Ingredients:
▪ 5 red peppers (I used Romano as they were on special offer but I think something like a regular bell pepper that has more flesh would yield more – I used 3 peppers as the aubergine was quite small)
▪ 1 medium aubergine
▪ 3-5 cloves garlic, crushed
▪ 1-2 tablespoon vinegar (I used 1 and it was plenty)
▪ 1 teaspoon paprika
▪ Salt and pepper to taste

Method:
▪ Cut the aubergine in half, length ways and do the same for the peppers.
▪ Place peppers and aubergine cut-side face down in the oven until the pepper skins start to blister and go black. (I did mine for ½ hour at 200oC (fan oven). I would allow the skins to get quite black as that is your flavour.
▪ Place blacked peppers into a bowl and cover with cling film to let them steam.
▪ Once aubergine is soft in the middle, scoop out the flesh and discard any larger seeds. Mash or chop it (depending how chunky you’d like your ajvar) and mix in the garlic.
▪ Once the peppers are cool, peel off the blackened skin and chop finely.
▪ Add this to the aubergine and garlic mixture, then add the vinegar, paprika and salt and pepper.
▪ Serve chilled.

You can add chillies to the ajvar for an extra kick which I think it can easily take. I would also be tempted to add more paprika but suggest you stick to the above and tinker after.

Ćevapčići is traditionally served with chopped raw onion, ajvar and flat/pitta bread but some parts also serve with sour cream which I preferred.

I thought it turned out well although it was very under seasoned and needed more paprika (I actually halved the above recipe as there would have been far too much meat so I think that's partly to blame). Definitely worth a go.

Edited -


Made these at lunch, ready for tomorrow evening, doubled the paprika and put in a whole large green chilli plus plenty of salt and pepper. (They are supposed to be short and stumpy rather than frankfurter-esq)
 
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I recently bought a gas bbq, and my brother said to get some lava rocks and stuff to put into it, but whats the point?

Does it really add that much flavor to make a difference?

I've used it a few times since buying it a few weeks ago and the food just tastes the same as any food I've had from charcoal bbq's hence the question :)

Surprised it didn't come with lava rocks - I always bought more anyway as there are never enough supplied IMO. Ultimately you don't want to be cooking over an open gas flame as it defies the point of a BBQ, surely?
 
fired the gas bbq up in anger today, cooked a tuna steak of heat with a lemon garlic and chilli marinade

Got some hickory wood chips wet then wraped in a foil base, cooked the meat off heat with the heat set to low

never had tuna steak like it. I love the gas bbq its so convenient.

no pics im afraid.
 
Nice..what temp for 72 hours?

edit: Cheers for the recipe above also. I'll be checking it out soon :)

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They had the texture of fillet steak but were FAR tastier (easy, I know)

I am going to do them again tonight, this time I am going to do a little more prep on them and add some flavours to the bag.
 
Looking for some OCUK advice. Had some Maple glazed pork from Lidl which I really liked but was too expensive for 6 small pieces of belly. SO thought I'd do my own, does anyone have any good maple glaze recipes they use themselves? I could go get a random off google but I like asking here first.
 
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They had the texture of fillet steak but were FAR tastier (easy, I know)

I am going to do them again tonight, this time I am going to do a little more prep on them and add some flavours to the bag.

Nice. I've cooked at a similar temperature before with brisket in the sous vide and it turned out great. I really want to get some beef ribs.

Looking for some OCUK advice. Had some Maple glazed pork from Lidl which I really liked but was too expensive for 6 small pieces of belly. SO thought I'd do my own, does anyone have any good maple glaze recipes they use themselves? I could go get a random off google but I like asking here first.

To be honest you can probably just use maple syrup and it will taste great. I'd add a little salt and a tiny amount of cinnamon and star anise though. It will give it a more 'asiany' flavour, if you like that sort of thing.
 
One thing I don't like about some 'Chinese Style' glazes is the aniseed taste, is that from the star anise? Good shout on just trying it with syrup, I may use a maple flavoured syrup though rather than the real one because that costs me a lot more.
 
One thing I don't like about some 'Chinese Style' glazes is the aniseed taste, is that from the star anise? Good shout on just trying it with syrup, I may use a maple flavoured syrup though rather than the real one because that costs me a lot more.

I'd try and get the B grade maple syrup if you can. It's a stronger "maple" flavour and it's also cheaper: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maple_syrup#Grades :)

The star anise is probably the main culprit for the aniseed flavour yeah. I find it can be a bit overpowering too so I tend to try and use it extremely sparingly. Alternatively you could go for something like maple and paprika. Perhaps a hint of chilli too. That would make it taste a bit more like "American" style ribs. Smoked paprika rather than regular will help too I reckon.
 
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