Poll: Official 2023 British Grand Prix Thread - Silverstone Circuit, Silverstone - Round 11
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Caporegime
That came sooner than expected. Excited to how he does.
Soldato
Sure, he wasn't the best but i still think Hamilton can drag a car above what it's capable of. There will be an element of experience going on at the moment with Hamilton, he knows the car isn't anywhere near the standard needed, he won't be driving like he did when he was in his 20's. Russell will be giving 101% every race, Hamilton won't be.
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Great news Danny Ric is back!!! I wonder when they will update the F1 2023 game 
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Did you see the first half of 2009? The MP4-24 was dire.
Soldato
First of all. Remind us which team Hamilton was before he went to merc and how good that team was prior to him leaving them
2nd of all, look at most of the reasons why Russell out scored Hamilton. He outscored him due to a mixture of bad luck from Hamilton (pitting just before a safety car incident and that happened more than once) and other tech reasons beyond Hamiltons actual driving.
Where's Russell now?
And how can you put max in that budget when he has only driven a red bull..
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To be fair, Max did drag a pretty ropey Toro Rosso to some quality finishes and was doing some great overtakes throughout that season.
I can remember the one he did in Spa around the outside of Blanchimont and another overtaking Alonso into T1 of Suzuka.
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The car does appear to be abit of a dog this year. Will be intetesting to see how Danny Ric compares to Tsunodo.
Perez must be a little nervous given hos recent quali performance. If Danny Ric gets anywhere near Perez, I can see a game of mid season musical race seats.
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I don't think they will replace Perez this year, but next year maybe a different story.
Also I'm thinking that Danny Ric put in a good lap because the tracks got an F1 weekends worth of rubber worked into the tarmac & the track was clear. No doubt he'll be quick in that car as it suits his driving style, but post race track conditions are a thing.
Caporegime
The worst qualifying run for Red Bull since 2007. In a year the car is totally dominant.
It's embarrassingly bad.
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Can we keep the talk about who's replacing who, etc in the off topic thread please, it's really not Silverstone specific.
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Im not sure him "often getting beaten by Russell" is such a mark against him. Russell is pegged as one of the most talented of the new generation (ie up there with/close to Max, Norris, Leclerc). Mercedes likely brought him in to eventually be Hamilton's replacement. The first half of last year was a complete train wreck for Hamilton due to him trying experimental set ups and getting a silly amount of bad luck. Since then, he has on the whole been a better driver than Russell.
Alonso got beaten by Ocon in the Alpine in 2022, but that doesnt make me think he isnt one of the best drivers on the grid still. Sometimes even the top drivers have **** luck and/or a bad year.
Riccardio beat Max in 2016 and 2017, but again, i know who i would rather have in my team and who I rate higher..
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Daftest comment I've ever read, so you're not going to include quite literally the greatest driver of all time (stats don't lie), in your list of greatest drivers of all time........also as people have said he's driven some bad cars in his time and made them work - its just this era's Merc is extremely draggy in this rule set when efficiency is everything that the RB does so well.
Also do you not remember that time Hamilton won by over a minute in the wet ? A MINUTE - it's often said that wet conditions reveal the worlds best drivers, Senna was similarly masterful in wet conditions, I'd put Senna & Hamilton & just about Schumacher in that bracket (although to be frank, Schumacher was not quite as good as Hamilton & Senna in wet driving conditions).
Hamilton without doubt is an all time great, but people tend to weigh in their opinion based on what he does off track, ignore that, look at what he's done with any car he's in.
Verstappen is good, no doubt, but he's drove dog cars for years and was often outside the top 3, always a 3-10 position driver, however as is always the case, when you get a car that suits the driver perfectly, and he can feel it under him perfectly, he will get the best out of it and he is - so his current form is amazing, that takes skill, and he has that, but he also has 'the balance' of man and machine perfected, as was Hamilton in the previous era - however I've not yet seen Max do an unreal drive in the rain - I want to see his skill in such conditions, that will reveal how good his car sense is.
Maybe you should read again as that's not what I said, I didn't list my Greatest of All Time. I absolutely say he's one of the greatest drivers, as you say that can't be denied on stats alone, I'm just saying that in my opinion he's not as good as dragging a car beyond its capability as the likes of Schumacher, Alonso or Verstappen are but then he's barely had to.
I wouldn't agree he's done all that much with a bad car, if he had managed to drag a crap car to a World Title then fair enough but he hasn't.
There's little evidence that he's dragged a crap car anywhere, rubbish McLaren in 2009 and trounced an incredibly poor driver in Kovalainen, was basically equal with Button in 10, 11 and 12, matched Rosberg in 13 and from 14-21 had the luxury of the best car on the grid (OK 21 more debatable).
He didn't look that comfortable in a crap car last season and doesn't look that comfortable in the crap car this year albeit he seems to be handling it better than Russell has this year.
I don't really care what he does off the track, in the same way I don't care what any of the grid do off the grid.
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