Poll: Official 2024 Sao Paulo Grand Prix Race Thread - Autódromo José Carlos Pace - Race 21/24

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Scam said:
What needs to happen for him to sew it up at Vegas?
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He's currently 62 points ahead and Lando has 75 regular race points available, 8 sprint points and 3 potential fastest laps. So theoretically still enough to overhaul him with very favourable results.

After Vegas there will be 50+8+2 (60 total) left available.

So Lando needs the gap to be 59 points or less after Vegas for it to be mathematically still possible to catch Max - so as @Stumble Bum says, if he outscores Max by 3 points, then mathematically it's not done and dusted yet

To look at it from the other perspective, lets say Lando has a virtually faultless return of 3 wins and a sprint win (but not fastest laps, lets assume RBR throw softs on Perez last laps etc.) - he'll sit at 414 points, which is just 21 points more than Max currently has - so as long as Max can average more than 7 points per weekend from here, he wins regardless of how well Norris does.
 
Mesai said:
Norris is such a turd. Hopefully Ferrari have their car together next year and we see Chuck fighting for the WDC.
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You have to be really trying to take Norris out of context there to think he's saying that Max isn't talented. He's talking about the red flag and how that went against him and for Max - and he's right, that was just luck at least as far as the drivers are concerned.
 
What a race, and what a performance by Max! This is the sort of race that really shows how good he actually is. I enjoyed every minute of it, and the turns of fortune and intrigue at every corner :D

It's a real shame for Norris, but it really was a long shot this year, after the start by Red Bull. I do have high hopes for a close season next yet though, and perhaps the rest of the season for the constructors, and it will be interesting from the rest of the mid-field for sure seeing how close they are!
 
Mr Jack said:
You have to be really trying to take Norris out of context there to think he's saying that Max isn't talented. He's talking about the red flag and how that went against him and for Max - and he's right, that was just luck at least as far as the drivers are concerned.
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Not out of context, especially after things went in his favour for qualifying.

I'm not saying he's questioning Max's ability, especially when his is clearly lacking, but dismissing a brilliant drive and intelligent calls from the team (both RBR and Alpine) as "just luck" is pretty weak coming from him. His team chose to pit when they had track position. Is it also bad luck that he fumbled 3 starts and had several offs during the race?
 
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Mesai said:
Not out of context, especially after things went in his favour for qualifying.

I'm not saying he's questioning Max's ability, especially when his is clearly lacking, but dismissing a brilliant drive and intelligent calls from the team (both RBR and Alpine) as "just luck" is pretty weak coming from him. His team chose to pit when they had track position. Is it also bad luck that he fumbled 3 starts and had several offs during the race?
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It is completely out of context. Lando praised Max's drive whilst also acknowledging that he made mistakes himself. Lando said Max would have lapped him if they'd started the race in first.

He's not wrong about Max getting a huge amount of luck with the red flag, both can be true.
 
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Stumble Bum said:
It is completely out of context. Lando praised Max's drive whilst also acknowledging that he made mistakes himself. Lando said Max would have lapped him if they'd started the race in first.

He's not wrong about Max getting a huge amount of luck with the red flag, both can be true.
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When it says it going to rain and I bring an umbrella, then it rains, that's not luck. It's a gamble and we all know that the wet tyre is rarely a race tyre so anything beyond what the inters can do is generally red flag or SC.

Why would you even say "It's not talent".
 
The interview the comment was taken from:


From 3:08 if the timed link doesn't work.

In context, talking specifically about staying out vs pitting at that particular time I don't think it's particularly disrespectful but Lando will soon have to learn saying such things is never going to come across well when media are looking for headlines and you give them a snippet of "It's not talent, it's just luck".

I suppose it's debatable how much the decision to stay out was luck vs judgement - if Colapinto didn't bin it under the safety cars, then you've got Lando and Russell on fresh tyres, closed right up to Verstappen/Ocon/Gasly on ancient tyres behind a safety car and the whole thing is turned on it's head. Would it have been red flagged if Colapinto didn't crash? Maybe?

It could all so easily have played out differently with everyone making the decisions they did. We could very well be sat here saying "Can't believe Verstappen/Ocon/Gasly didn't pit during that safety car, they threw away a great chance, they had no hope against cars with new tyres, what idiot decided to stay out"
 
How much longer are we going to keep allowing tyre changes under VSC, SC and Red Flag? Just ruins all tactics and fairness. The only time it should be possible to change tyres in these circumstances is under a red flag, where the track was suddenly red flagged in a live race due to a rain down pour, where drivers did not have a realistic time allowance to get back to the pits. If the rain comes gradually and drivers kept pushing it on slicks/inters and then did not take opportunities to come in, then they should be penalised by say a 10 place grid drop from their current position or something.
I'm sick of the amount of races that we just let slide as a lottery due to some nublet at the back running out of talent. I'd love to see a system where the time gaps are also maintained properly. VSC attempts this but fails to accurately keep them. One way would be to just drive round with safety car until the track is clear, then bring them all back to the pits in a line. Then release them all like Rally time trial starts one after the other with the lights set to the time gaps.

I'm not bitter about Max's luck. It is what it is as long as we have this system in place. He showed why he is going to be champion. Nobody is at his level right now in terms of car control. He kept it on the tarmac all weekend as far as I can remember, and was one of the only ones that had the braking skill to over take into turn 1. Under pressure, he delivers and rarely makes mistakes.
 
Mr Jack said:
They're always going to allow it, because the alternative is just as unfair and ruins tactics and fairness to just as large an extent.
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F1 loves an unnecessarily complicated rule, so perhaps they could allow changes but use a typical 'pit stop time' for whatever race condition was in place when the red flag occurred, look at the various intervals in place at the time and anyone changing tyres, moves back the appropriate amount as if they'd made the change in race/SC conditions.

That way, if they were all bunched behind the SC, where you wouldn't dream of pitting because you'd end up last, people wouldn't do it. If it was regular race conditions and you were 30s out front when the flag dropped, you're all good and you'd keep your spot. Anyone that's suffered punctures etc. if the red flag was due to an accident - tough, you'd have to have pitted if you got a puncture under the SC (though it would probably be more favourable as you might not need to limp round half a lap getting passed).

Might stand half a chance of keeping some tactical approach, rather than a straight up reset for all involved.
 
Good old Russell moaning about coming in to pit for new tyres, funny how he's a genius when he's got nothing to lose, yet when he's at the front he jumps like everyone else. Good win for Max yesterday, that last bit after the final restart he had the car nailed. Got very lucky with the SC and Red Flag, but win some you lose some.
 
Gave that a 10 as there was something going on every lap.

Amazing result for Alpine - possibly worth US $50 million in the WCC.

Epic drive from Verstappen and top comedy when he complained about being pushed out to the white line at one point.

Schoolboy procedural errors from McLaren (driving off without a green light) and Mercedes (adjusting tyre pressure with wheels on car).

Strategy errors from McLaren and Ferrari again.

Stewards expected to be busy until Tuesday.
 
fez said:
Could this be the turning point in the championship?
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koolpc said:
You mean Max will be too far ahead to catch? :D
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CaptainRAVE said:
Max needs at least one DNF for it to even be possible. I suspect he’ll still finish strongly here.
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Trusty said:
It really needs a DNF from Max. If he finishes 8th to 10th, he'll still be 40 odd points in front. It's all just a little bit too late from McLaren. They've left a significant amount of points on the table for Norris. My last calculation a number of races ago was 20 odd points they've fumbled for him
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I was right. And definitely in the direction I meant....
 
RavenXXX2 said:
Having a dig at the British press below lol.
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Wondered if anyone was going to post that. Showing his “class” there as well. If there’s anything worse than a sore loser, it’s a sore winner :)

If he’d have looked at the press today (UK included) everyone is talking about it being a masterclass etc. and loading on the compliments. Most other drivers would have let the result speak for itself and enjoyed it. But no… Sigh. It’s just unnecessary.
 
Max will always Max. Until someone beats him he will continue in his ways. Hopefully next season we see some proper competition but I fear the only driver that had what it takes is Lewis....but he seems to have lost his mojo entirely lately. Le Clerc and Lando have mistakes in them too often. Sainz is not going to be competitive in a Williams. Russell has mistakes in him and Merc just don't seem to have the car this era. Piastri also makes mistakes but I think could be the possibility as he's a cool customer mentally.
I suppose there's always Perez? ;)
 
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