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At no point was Lando fully ahead of Max so the overtake wasn't completed so that means he was defending.
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He was at the start of the corner
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I've watched many times and he wasn't fully ahead. His front wheels were ahead but not his full car so he let off the brakes to go up the inside.
Like I say I'm not defending Max as I don't like his racing or attitude but on his occasion he had every right to defend. He is fighting for the WC so he's not going to wave him by with a good luck, overtaking is meant to be hard not DRS fly by's
This is a terrible angle if it’s to support your who’s ahead argument. It’s so far from the actual corner that I can see the braking distance boards.
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The angle is misleading, from Max's onboard Lando wasn't clear. Also anyone fighting for a championship isn't going to give up this place from here, Senna, Schumacher or Hamilton wouldn't of gave this up.
Plus no matter what happened Mclaren should have seen he wasn't ahead at the apex or simply placed it safe and told him to give the place back and try again the next lap, like Lando said on the radio after the race.
Soldato
I think most of the argument comes down to what the rules are vs what they should be. The rules, as they're currently written, were followed but I (and obviously others) think the current wording and enforcement of the rules is BS. I can appreciate the apex is a good measuring point but to focus solely on that and ignore the wider picture leads to some controversial penalties (or lack of penalties). Drivers seem to be given carte blanche on what happens after the apex as long as they get there first - which isn't racing it's a just a faster game of chicken.
I dont think they should have given it back. Because Max would do the same for the remaining laps.
And I think Lando’s message was sarcastic - aimed at the stewards actually. Everyone seems to think it was aimed at the team.
Well said, especially the last line. They can’t let this game of chicken to the apex carry on. It’s BS.
Soldato
Interesting comments from Alain Prost saying if Lewis was driving a McLaren he would have gone to war and won it, Lando just isn’t man enough, maybe he’s had it too easy in life.
Quote? What exactly does he mean? Like I've said before the "aggressive" move from Lando was to hold the position, McLaren as a team just aren't arguing it enough. They should be demanding an appeal etc. as has happened with other strange penalty decisions. If Lando had given up the place he would have been lambasted for being soft, guaranteed.
I do think Lando only genuinely believe he could win the WDC for a race or two, and that ship has sailed even if he could still do it. That is a problem. Shame, really.
so basically crash into Max ? and risking DNF doesnt matter to Max if both DNF
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Norris and Verstappen collided while fighting for the lead at the Red Bull Ring last weekend, resulting in both cars suffering punctures and Norris retiring from the race.
Verstappen received a 10 second penalty after
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I think we should change topic, as the most impressive thing about this GP was Perez finishing behind someone who started in the pit lane, in a slower car and got 5 second time penalty. It’s levels of incompetence you’d struggle to see in most lines of work.
Or lock the thread. As it’s been pages of getting nowhere, like every thread on here after the weekend
Never going to have a good conversation if people conflate opinions with facts.
Or lock the thread. As it’s been pages of getting nowhere, like every thread on here after the weekend
Never going to have a good conversation if people conflate opinions with facts.
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Soldato
Needs locking, it's just become 'willy waving' for some and and going nowhere but around in circles. If you argue against one you are, apparently, a Red Bull fanI think we should change topic, as the most impressive thing about this GP was Perez finishing behind someone who started in the pit lane, in a slower car and got 5 second time penalty. It’s levels of incompetence you’d struggle to see in most lines of work.
Or lock the thread. As it’s been pages of getting nowhere, like every thread on here after the weekend
Nothing could be farther from the truth in my case.Why would Norris fall further BEHIND before braking for the corner..
If that capture is before the braking, he would technically be further ahead until DRS closed.It is the only footage i can find of it. However, It quite clearly shows at the very least that Norris' back wheels are in line with Max's front wheels/wing.
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But the main issue, is that the whole apex argument is listed in the same part of the guidelines, where it says at the end of it that the car must remain on the track.
If that is the footnote to the whole guideline on defending etc and says "must", i would absolutely take it to mean that it nullifies the rest of it/the above if they DON'T keep it on track.
Therefore the whole apex argument should have been thrown out.
But, as you say, ultimately the rules and guidelines are vague and badly written as it is obviously easy to take different interpretations from it.
Well written rules, would not do this. They wouldn't result in fans and pundits alike not being able to agree on what they mean, and whether what was done was correct.
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This discussion has gone round more times than there were laps at the race and not one person has changed their mind.
Is it time for the next race yet so I can close this thread?
Is it time for the next race yet so I can close this thread?
Soldato
On the pretext it doesn't continue in the Mexican race weekend thread...
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Would it be better to close the Race thread on the Tuesday or Wednesday after the race? Any additional conversations could then just move over to the off-topic thread from there.
It seems that either the race is a dull one and there's not much activity after the weekend, or there's some controversy and the usual suspects end up going around and around and around. Either way, closing after a couple of days seems like a good idea to me.
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I do generally like to wait until at least some wheels have hit the track for the next race before closing the thread but as we’ve had the press conferences for Mexico, I’m going to close this now.
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