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***Official Intel Haswell Thread***

Westyfield2 said:
If Intel can make the good chips, then why don't they just do that for retail? Or even sell them as a special performance edition.
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They are cherry picked chips.

Also,ES can differ greatly from production chips:

http://www.chip-architect.com/news/2012_04_19_Ivy_Bridges_GPU_2-25_times_Sandys.html

Look at the ES IB CPU and the actual production one. The production one has a bigger die,for yield purposes(it might draw slightly more power than the ES ones too).

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Vortez reviewer said:
Most of the 5GHz overclocks are ES chips... really I think retail ought to be reviewed to show realistic results to the end user. In our review, we used retail and it prove difficult getting beyond 4.7GHz even with big volts!
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This is what they should look like:

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Well at least ill be getting a retail chip for no extra charge and no return fee either so that's fair enough :).

What would have been better is if 5UB gave me a cherry picked 4770k instead :D
 
I honestly believed there was a simple explanation to this but it's so easy to see red and feel cheated. I jumped the gun quite a bit on this one...

At least we now all know it was a simple warehouse mistake.
 
JWildfire said:
I honestly believed there was a simple explanation to this but it's so easy to see red and feel cheated. I jumped the gun quite a bit on this one...

At least we now all know it was a simple warehouse mistake.
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The explanation only explains the mix up of the oem and speed binned chips not the abysmal packaging and damaged CPU.
 
arknor said:
I think mine did a bit when I looked at mine from the side to check if the heatsink was properly flat on the cpu with no gaps.. it looked like one side of the bracket thing bent down slightly more than the other side but the actual cooler looked flat

I don't know if it's the angle of the photo but on the second photo the gap between the threadless part of the screw and the motherboard seems larger
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The angles of the case made it difficult to be sure but as far as I could tell it seems that the heatsink contact is flat. I've now been running P95 for about 80 mins and it shows that at some point it hit a max of 85 degrees but it's currently in the low/mid 70s which is easily a 20 degree drop from how it was earlier :)

Still seems a bit high considering it's at stock but if more than an hour at 100% load on the CPU leaves it in the low 70s then I wouldn't expect to run into any system stability issues.

Thanks for everyone's help! :)
 
tomd96 said:
The angles of the case made it difficult to be sure but as far as I could tell it seems that the heatsink contact is flat. I've now been running P95 for about 80 mins and it shows that at some point it hit a max of 85 degrees but it's currently in the low/mid 70s which is easily a 20 degree drop from how it was earlier :)

Still seems a bit high considering it's at stock but if more than an hour at 100% load on the CPU leaves it in the low 70s then I wouldn't expect to run into any system stability issues.

Thanks for everyone's help! :)
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still high but if you can live with it I guess and you will likely never see temps max out like that in gaming or regular use

Heres mine @ 4ghz
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Never seen it go above 55 on any core so far when gaming though
 
Iam so glad i never jumped in on haswell, looking around it seems retail chips just dont clock aswell as pre production CPU's and from what ive seen if you get a chip that can go 4.5ghz you have a good one!

Intel say they go tick tock with generations, this one seems like tick dong!

reminds me of the old northwood and Prescott from years ago where the older chip actually clocked higher! perhaps it should be known as the prescott haswell or if any one is wanting the new haswell they might do well to wait a few months for the later CPU batches to see if they improve in temps over early launch batches.

Is this a lemon like prescott intel?:eek:
 
I cant seem to find a program that returns reliable values on the MSI x87 g65 gaming. Aids tells me my mobo is 197c and cpu min/max/avg values are 127...core values update but no way to know if theyre right.
 
vapor matt said:
Iam so glad i never jumped in on haswell, looking around it seems retail chips just dont clock aswell as pre production CPU's and from what ive seen if you get a chip that can go 4.5ghz you have a good one!
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yea a couple of websites have picked up on it , one was saying they were lucky to get 4.3ghz out of a lot of the retail ones :S and they might have to do another review with a proper retail sample and not some special pre production golden apple cherry picked sample that is guaranteed to hit 4.7ghz if you give it enough voltage
 
yea a couple of websites have picked up on it , one was saying they were lucky to get 4.3ghz out of a lot of the retail ones :S and they might have to do another review with a proper retail sample and not some special pre production golden apple cherry picked sample that is guaranteed to hit 4.7ghz if you give it enough voltage
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This is what ive seen also, 4.3ghz on average and even then they warm up nicely, I have a feeling its something to do with moving the voltage regulation on die that is helping increase temps, so when you clock it and need more voltage the on board voltage regulation heats up nicely and brings the temps right up!

unless you have a very good chip that dosnt require to much voltage over standard you can get 4.5ghz or a wee bit higher but that onboard voltage regulation is heating the chip up and reaching the thermal barrier real quickly.

intel's stand will always be its fine at default speeds and voltage! and 99% of the cpu's sold will be run at default speeds.

its the new prescott for sure lol

You will need very good water cooling to get the best out of haswell cpu's
 
So what happened to Haswell achieving 7-8 Ghz, or possibily even 5Ghz + ?
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cherry picked chips on LN cooling i guess, all hype to get people talking haswell lol no dout you will get some very good chips, but i would imagine they will be rare as hen's teeth and a very small percentage.

Its early days for haswell so it may well improve with later batches of the CPU a bit like ivy, as that seemed to get better as later batches came out.
 
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