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***Official Intel Haswell Thread***

I hope Haswell is a good clocker, I'm probably going to get myself a 4770K for lol's. I'd hope that they're able to reach 5GHZ 24/7 on water, I'd really hope for a bit more to be fair.
Imagine 5.2GHZ 24/7. Your core for core performance would be pretty immense lol.
 
Does anyone have anymore info on the exact nature of the resume from USB 3.0 issues caused by the C1 stepping. Is it serious enough to stop you from wanting to buy Haswell on launch or just a minor niggle? I'd found plenty of news articles on the problem but none really go into the specifics of what actually happens?

I use sleep/standby pretty much all the time on my current desktop so if USB devices randomly stopped working on resume and required a restart to fix that would be seriously irritating!
 
Boomstick777 said:
Hmm, Ivybridge -E will be a matured perfected process. Haswell is for the mainstream to work out the bugs for when Haswell -E arrives :p.
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The problem is that the "matured perfected process" is in danger of being so mature as to be obsolete; Haswell-E is penciled in for a 1H 2015 release, by which point mainstream Haswell will have been on the market for close to two years.

Socket 2011 is at the bottom of Intel's priorities at the moment (some have argued that it is just a way for them to charge premium money for Xeons which didn't pass QC to be server chips), even the mainstream desktop parts are playing second fiddle to the mobile parts which is where all their focus is.
 
silvagti said:
Does anyone have anymore info on the exact nature of the resume from USB 3.0 issues caused by the C1 stepping. Is it serious enough to stop you from wanting to buy Haswell on launch or just a minor niggle? I'd found plenty of news articles on the problem but none really go into the specifics of what actually happens?

I use sleep/standby pretty much all the time on my current desktop so if USB devices randomly stopped working on resume and required a restart to fix that would be seriously irritating!
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At most all you will need to do is pull out the USB3 device and plug it back in, no need for a system restart.

Intel have said that it only affects a "small subset of USB SuperSpeed thumb drives and does not affect other USB peripherals", so you may not even encounter the problem, but most importantly it doesn't cause any corruption or data loss.

You can always email Intel for more information or just wait 6 more weeks for C2.
 
Dave2150 said:
You got it wrong. Haswell uses the same process as ivybridge. You guys were the Guinea pig's, working out the bugs ready for Haswell :)
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It's not just the 22nm process that improves (And keeps improving by the way). It's also the design of the chip, ironing out any bugs etc. You can bet Ivybridge -E won't have crappy tim like the mainstream chips did. Higher clocks should be obtainable from 4930k / 4960x than were possible on 3570k / 3770k.

Haswell looks nice, few bugs at launch no doubt, chipset problem aswell? All be fixed in time for the enthusiast line Haswell -E..

If you want more cores and better motherboards Haswell -E will be very nice. They say good things come to those who wait lol.
 
will it be worth waiting for though ?

I was tempted with 2011 socket when I upgraded this time last year

glad I didn't - as I've enjoyed the performance of Ivy for a year :)
 
Buckster said:
will it be worth waiting for though ?

I was tempted with 2011 socket when I upgraded this time last year

glad I didn't - as I've enjoyed the performance of Ivy for a year :)
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You may have enjoyed Ivybridge, I can guarantee you would have loved Sandybridge -E.

The two just aren't the same, Ivybridge is like taking the bus, Sandybridge -E is like a 1st class flight :p

Looking forward to 4930K or 4960x, then Haswell -E next year, got to make the most of these dwindling enthusiast years. Ridiculous priced GPU's is where I draw the line though..
 
Boomstick777 said:
You may have enjoyed Ivybridge, I can guarantee you would have loved Sandybridge -E.

The two just aren't the same, Ivybridge is like taking the bus, Sandybridge -E is like a 1st class flight :p

Looking forward to 4930K or 4960x, then Haswell -E next year, got to make the most of these dwindling enthusiast years. Ridiculous priced GPU's is where I draw the line though..
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Skylake-E seems much more tempting :p
 
Boomstick777 said:
You may have enjoyed Ivybridge, I can guarantee you would have loved Sandybridge -E.

The two just aren't the same, Ivybridge is like taking the bus, Sandybridge -E is like a 1st class flight :p

Looking forward to 4930K or 4960x, then Haswell -E next year, got to make the most of these dwindling enthusiast years. Ridiculous priced GPU's is where I draw the line though..
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Ivybridge is faster though ?

uses less power ?

has full PCI-E 3.0 compatability

has slightly better memory controller ?

why would I have preferred Sandy-E (excluding 6 core varients) :)
 
Buckster said:
Ivybridge is faster though ?

uses less power ?

has full PCI-E 3.0 compatability

has slightly better memory controller ?

why would I have preferred Sandy-E (excluding 6 core varients) :)
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Ivybridge is faster? You crazy bro? :p

I was only messing but since you asked, More cores, Quad channel memory, full PCI-E bandwidth, much nicer motherboards?

When Sandybridge -E 39XX launched they outperformed the Core-i7 2600K by as much as 30%. Ivybridge only brought 5% - 10% improved performance, that's still 20% behind Sandybridge -E..
 
Buckster said:
Ivybridge is faster though ?
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IB's IPC advantage over SB and SB-E is offset by its heat ceiling, generally an IB/SB/SB-E chip of the same type (I.E i5/i7 4c) when over clocked to the same temp using the same cooling system, will give ~equal performance, its as close as makes no difference.


Buckster said:
uses less power ?
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Apply here: http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/ :P


Buckster said:
has full PCI-E 3.0 compatability
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Never had an issue with the PCI-E 3.0 on any of my X79 boards.


Buckster said:
has slightly better memory controller ?
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Apples and oranges really, X79 is quad channel so basically compared to DDR3-1600 in dual channel on Z77, you basically have double the bandwidth (I.E DDR3-1600 in quad is like DDR3-3200 in dual). Of course in practice most people just shoot for the moon MHz wise on their ram but the option to prioritize a CAS/MHz balance for lower latency while maintaining awesome bandwidth appeals to some of us.

To sum that up:
Quad channel DDR3-1600@CL7 = 51,200MB/s bandwidth @4.375ms response
Dual channel DDR3-2400@CL11 = 38,400MB/s bandwidth @4.583ms response

Based on a Samsung Green quad kit and a Geil Evo Corsa dual kit costing £50 more.


Buckster said:
why would I have preferred Sandy-E (excluding 6 core varients) :)
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In all honestly I think you being told what you would like is a bit out there, to each their own. I can only tell you the reason I preferred it, basically with Z68/77 you got low end, mid range and high end boards, with X79 the didn't seem to be any low/mid range boards, even the EVGA SLi board I started with felt abnormally solid, It seemed just as well built as an R3E. The feeling of quality was a cool factor and another was how ridiculously easy it was to over clock an i7 3820 lol.
 
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