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[Mayhems]

Actually yes we use sterile bottles and our bottles are food safe. If we used none sterile bottles we would easily knock £0.90 off the price of making the products. How ever we dont use that for marketing purposes.

Im sorry but your post is so full of miss information and untrue facts that ill ignore 1/2 of what you type and put it down to you trolling.

No matter how pure we make our liquids once you add them into your system which has all ready been contaminated you will at some stage need a biocide. Unless your clever enough to sterilise all you loop and have every thing hand sterilised before you even fit it, then fit it in a sterile room.

So more to the point why dont you get your hands on a bottle and get a few test meters and test it your self instead of posting about some thing you obversely haven't even tired to test.

Merry Christmas ....

 

[WJA96]

Which part of my any of my posts are incorrect or misinformation?

I'm not trolling, just asking a simple question, to which you obviously don't know the answer and you're just reeling off more marketing spiel.

And if you can knock 90p off the price for a non-sterile bottle you may as well from the sounds of it. I don't need a test METER. How do you test for microbial activity with a meter?

Sure, I'll test it. I'll send a few bottles off for micro analysis. And I'll leave a couple out in the light as well to enrich the sample and then have that tested too.

We'll soon find out why it needs a biocide.

 

[Mayhems]

Cool once you done that then post the info up on here.
Ill be happy to have a good read though it.

 

[Cleeecooo]

Following on from WJA, wouldn't the only possible way to get pure H2O be to simply mix hydrogen with oxygen, so your pure H20 isn't any different to normal distilled water?

Also, wouldn't it get contaminated unless you have a NASA grade sterile room filled with argon?

Not having a dig at you, i'm just curious

 

[WJA96]

It's just marketing. The problem is that they can't help but try and sell you something else as well, hence the biocide.

What really irks me is the whole "oh, we have to have MSDS's so we just made something up". It's ridiculous. Suggested disposal method - incineration. Yes, that'll work. Maybe. Documents that that are what give H&S and COSHH a bad name. The fact is that document could just say "no hazard" all the way through and it would be fine. After all, it's only water.

Or is it?

 

[Mayhems]

we dont claim sterile or any thing. so i dunno were his bull comes from but it isn't from us.

There is different grades of Ultra Pure water and we dont even called it Ultra Pure "water". We call its Ultra Pure H20 (marketing gimmick)quote from our own site for advertising Mayhems Ultra Pure H20

Mayhems Ultra Pure H20



Our Ultra Pure H20 is the cleanest most pure water cooling fluid developed specifically with water cooled PCs in mind. Our Ultra Pure H20 has an electrical conductivity mark of less than 0.05μS or approx 0.05 PPM at source. Our liquid goes though more processes than any other liquid cooling manufacturer on the planet and we guarantee you will not get any better than our Ultra Pure H20.



Every drop of our liquid is tested while going through the process and if it ever goes above 1ppm the liquid is then rejected and never used. We also use food safe bottles so that there is far less leaking of plastic into the bottle. This gives the end user the knowledge that everything in our power has been done to be able to deliver the perfect liquids for any water cooling loop. There just is no other water cooling liquid on the market as pure as Mayhems Ultra Pure H20.



Process of Mayhems Ultra Pure H20


1) Distilled

2) 80 PSI Diaphragm Pump

3) 10 micron filter

4) 5 Micron filter

5) 1 Micron filter

6) Post carbon Block 10 Micron

7) Post carbon filter 5 to 1 micron block

8) 3 x RO filters

9) 4 x DI polishing Filters

10) 1 Ultra Violet high volume filter

This means Mayhems Ultra Pure H20 goes though 14 different filters (10 of which we can disclose) to achieve its goal of being the best liquid for water cooled PCs bar none. We even use our Ultra Pure water when making our Pre-Mixed liquids. Our quality controls are so high that for every 1 Litre of Mayhems Ultra Pure Water made over 8 Litres is rejected.



Advantages of Mayhems Ultra Pure Water


1) Guaranteed High QC controlled liquid

2) The best non-conductive liquid for liquid cooled PCs available to the end user

3) More than 99.999% impurities removed from the water

4) Food Safe Bottles use

5) Long storage times if kept in a cool dark environment away from direct sun light @ 20c for up to 2 years

6) Can be used with Mayhems Dyes, Mayhems Silver Coils and Mayhems Biocide

7) Electrical conductivity mark of less than 0.05 μS or approx 0.05 PPM at source

8) 1 Litre bottles come with a Child Safety Cap fitted as standard and 5 Litre bottles come in a sealed drum with markers on the side per Litre

9) Manufactured and produced totally in the UK

Warning: Mayhems Ultra Water is food safe, human safe and animal safe, however we do not recommend that you attempt to consume our liquids as they have been specially made for water cooled PCs.

 

[WJA96]

Thanks for repeating you advertising. Again. Let's look at your process is detail shall we?

1) Distilled - OK, that's a good start.

2) 80 PSI Diaphragm Pump - 80 PSI? Is that a filtration step or a pressurization so you can needlessly force it through the following filters?

3) 10 micron filter - OK, this would take out any algae or protozoa if it was possible to evaporate and recondense them, which it isn't, so they aren't there.

4) 5 Micron filter - taking out larger bacteria here, but you've not got any bacteria in distilled water. It's a physical impossibility unless you condensed the evaporate in a dirty vessel?

5) 1 Micron filter - taking out viruses and prions at this level, but they're not there either if you really started with distilled water.

6) Post carbon Block 10 Micron - You've just done a 10 micron filter step, now you're trying to take out organics, but again, if you've started out with distilled water there are no organic compounds in it.

7) Post carbon filter 5 to 1 micron block. And again. Utterly pointless.

8) 3 x RO filters - again, totally pointless as there will be no dissolved metals in distilled water.

9) 4 x DI polishing Filters - again, anything these would remove would already have been removed from distilled water, so they're pointless.

10) 1 Ultra Violet high volume filter - and again with the protozoal filter? WHY? Anything that would have been killed by this would be a dried smear on the still, IF you started with distilled water, and even if you didn't you've just passed it through four sets of micro-particle filters that would have taken it out anyway.

And then lets not forget the 4 secret filters.

Sadly, one of your 14 filters isn't a BS Filter. If it was you wouldn't be posting this lot.

I never said it was sterile. My point, all along, has been that no microorganisms or micro=plants will survive if all they have to live on is water. You can't live on water and neither than they. You need a food source and so do they. No food source, no growth.

So why do you need a biocide?

 

[ThePengu1n]

This is meant to be a support topic for Mayhems users/potential users, good job at derailing it wj

 

[WJA96]

This is meant to be a support topic for Mayhems users/potential users, good job at derailing it wj

I asked a question. He responded (poorly). I rebutted that argument and he basically said I didn't know what I was talking about and he didn't want to talk about what I wanted to talk about.

Do you know why it needs a biocide? I could speculate, but I'll wait until I get my proof.

If you want to get ripped off and pay through the nose for something that's been processed unnecessarily then be my guest, but dodgy advertising should be challenged.

I mean FFS, now they're trying to say it's not declared as pure water!

It's in the MSDS as Chemical Name: Mayhem's X1. That's not the chemical name for water, so what is this pure product they are selling?

And then there's this claim about food grade plastic bottles so that plasticisers don't leach into the water. Except that you're going to put it in plastic tubing that may not be "food grade" and what's the problem with plasticisers leaching into the coolant anyway? It's all marketing hype.

 

[Rroff]

While I agree on some of the points WJA I think your taking it a bit over the top - and as they can't guarantee or even expect clean room conditions at the customer end I don't see reccomendation to add a Biocide as being a problem and no matter how high grade the container is it will be leeching out of the material.

 

[WJA96]

The issue with the biocide is it isn't really needed if the water isn't contaminated. And if you're only going to add biocides to the water, why buy Ultra Pure Grade 2 water anyway? Major supermarket deionized will do just as well.

And the plasticiser issue is a supposed advantage of the product, so why not open it up for discussion?

I think it's interesting that no-one has actually challenged that part of my argument. It's more a case of leave the poor salesman alone. Well, fine, but it's a horrendous rip-off.

 

[Bubo]

we dont even called it Ultra Pure "water"

We even use our Ultra Pure water when making our Pre-Mixed liquids

Our quality controls are so high that for every 1 Litre of Mayhems Ultra Pure Water made over 8 Litres is rejected.

Advantages of Mayhems Ultra Pure Water

Warning: Mayhems Ultra Water is food safe

Out of interest how do you distill the amounts of water you do? Do you like have a huge boiler and still or something? How long does it take to distill a litre of water?

 

[Mayhems]

It's in the MSDS as Chemical Name: Mayhem's X1. That's not the chemical name for water, so what is this pure product they are selling?

Well at least 1 good thing come out of this you pointed out a actual mistake that we will correct. thank you

As for the rest of what you say its your point of view and that's fine with me.

 

[Bubo]

So how do you distill the water, do you have a factory?'

 

[WJA96]

So how do you distill the water, do you have a factory?'

Probably the same place they made Dasani.

 

[WJA96]

Well at least 1 good thing come out of this you pointed out a actual mistake that we will correct. thank you

As for the rest of what you say its your point of view and that's fine with me.

I hate to break it to you, but that whole MSDS needs rewritten. It's really not right at all.

Anyway. Now we know it is actually Ultra Pure Water Grade 2 we know what to test it against.

 

[Mayhems]

I hate to break it to you, but that whole MSDS needs rewritten. It's really not right at all.

Anyway. Now we know it is actually Ultra Pure Water Grade 2 we know what to test it against.

Well if you willing to work with me to correct them that's excellent. I cannot pay you but in return i am willing to supply you with some liquids for your effort.

Ive removed the H20 from out site so i can correct it.

Mick

 

[Bubo]

What powers your distillation process? Electric, gas, or some form of natural evaporative technique?

 

[Lunawolfy]

Isn't water just water?

Frankly, if it can survive the distillation whatever is in there deserves to be there. And I can see where WJA is going in that without the loop getting rather hot, there isn't enough energy available to a entropic organism to promote growth..

On the flip side, watercooling is something which is not done on a budget and after looking at the prices paying ~£10 for a litre of water and some dettol seems like drop of water in the financial black hole which is watercooling.

As cool as the Mayhems stuff is, the bad marketing and the childlike/dyslexic spellings all-over the shop pages and wiki pains me. I as a frugal buyer wouldn't buy something from a seller who can't even spell what they are selling correctly

*please note not a cheap dig, a genuinely valid statement*

 

[Cleeecooo]

I wouldn't put it so brashly, but the Linawolfy has a point with the spelling.

Really irritating on the official pages! (not necessarily the forums)

Again, not a dig, just a potential improvement
Its easily fixed as I'm sure with some more time you can sift through it. Otherwise I'm sure someone will be willing to give a hand sifting through it all.


EDIT: also, this is going HUGELY off topic!