*** Official Nintendo Wii U thread ***

About 4 hours into TPW. I am really enjoying it. Zelda games are just really relaxing.

Zelda games are good for the soul.

My TP arrived yesterday but didn't get chance to fire it up, so.......

TONIGHT'S THE NIGHT, GONNA BE ALRIGHT, COS I'M LOVIN.....
 
Anyone else eyeing up Pokkén Tournament?

It doesn't look as shallow as I first thought.

Yep!

Good overview of online stuff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F-pkaLGk1M

And various online matches from decent players:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2Q84FeuwV8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfBy4BZtuTY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2bqRQKHY_g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhVEZ149J9c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFWOWGGrRK8

My kinda game!. The last Pokemon game I purchased was Pokemon Stadium 64 :p
 
i had an issue with my wii u being noisy over a year ago and where it was i was sat near enough on top of it so i was put off playing it

well i want to play wind waker, twilight princess, pikmin, mario kart.
anyway just checked on prices... what the .....

they are similar in price to an xbox one/PS4!
are nintendo trying to put people of buying one and keep their money for the 'NX'
i would pay £150 for one, but over £200, they having a laugh?
 
i had an issue with my wii u being noisy over a year ago and where it was i was sat near enough on top of it so i was put off playing it

well i want to play wind waker, twilight princess, pikmin, mario kart.
anyway just checked on prices... what the .....

they are similar in price to an xbox one/PS4!
are nintendo trying to put people of buying one and keep their money for the 'NX'
i would pay £150 for one, but over £200, they having a laugh?

Twilight Princess HD can be had for £27, hold off on Wind Waker for a few weeks as Nintendo are re-releasing it for £20 along with a few others. That will bring down the silly ebay prices.
 
i had an issue with my wii u being noisy over a year ago and where it was i was sat near enough on top of it so i was put off playing it

well i want to play wind waker, twilight princess, pikmin, mario kart.
anyway just checked on prices... what the .....

they are similar in price to an xbox one/PS4!
are nintendo trying to put people of buying one and keep their money for the 'NX'
i would pay £150 for one, but over £200, they having a laugh?

Mate... I for one know that Nintendo tend to overprice things and especially hardware. But you can't complain about the WiiU pricing. I bought my WiiU with 2 games for ~£350 way back in it's first year (not at release though) and I feel bad paying that much for it. Paying £200-250 for a WiiU is fine IMO.

The real crime is how they're fleecing people with 3DS prices. They release a 'new' version and up the price a bit... for no good reason. No way is a 3DS worth any more than £150.

Anyhow, I've ignored Twilight Princess HD on the simple fact that the HD remake actually has worse framerates than the Gamecube original and the experience isn't really any better, unlike Windwaker HD. If folks want HD Zelda, Windwaker HD is your best bet, especially with the upcoming cheaper Nintendo selects. Regardless of whether you like the style or not, it actually looks good, whereas TPHD doesn't look so good for a 2016 game in my opinion. People complain when PS4/XB1 games have framerate issues, well here I am complaining about a Nintendo console title with framerate issues.
 
Anyhow, I've ignored Twilight Princess HD on the simple fact that the HD remake actually has worse framerates than the Gamecube original and the experience isn't really any better, unlike Windwaker HD. If folks want HD Zelda, Windwaker HD is your best bet, especially with the upcoming cheaper Nintendo selects. Regardless of whether you like the style or not, it actually looks good, whereas TPHD doesn't look so good for a 2016 game in my opinion. People complain when PS4/XB1 games have framerate issues, well here I am complaining about a Nintendo console title with framerate issues.

The framerates plays fine for me but I am one of the many who owns the original Wii version not the silly overpriced Gamecube version, which I should have got instead of the Wii version.
 
The framerates plays fine for me but I am one of the many who owns the original Wii version not the silly overpriced Gamecube version, which I should have got instead of the Wii version.

Check DigitalFoundry's framerate test. Twilight Princess HD still runs worse than the Wii version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26_jn8tLqkI

What I really don't get is that the WiiU is backwards compatible with the Wii, yet they made a remaster of a Wii game? What's the point? They could have just released the Wii version of TP on the eShop as a downloadable title like they did with the likes of Xenoblade Chonicles and Metroid Prime Trilogy. In fact, I'd have preferred that. As annoying as it might be to do the slashing with the Wii remote, they could easily reconfigure the controls to the gamepad on an eShop re-release. They've already done it with Xenoblade Chronicles (you can play the Wii game with just the gamepad and no Wiimote).

And yes, most Nintendo games are overpriced years after release. I remember Mario Kart DS held full price for several years. Here's something funny, a nearly 10 year old game selling for more than the price it launched at: http://store.nintendo.co.uk/elysium.search?autocomplete=searchsuggestion&search=metroid

What makes it even funnier is that the Metroid Trilogy can be had for less than £20 from the eShop, half that on a sale. You might have also noticed Other M is on there for an even higher price. Which is the nail in the coffin for 'high demand, low supply argument.' I know the lack of demand these games have (nobody wants MP 3 only because the Trilogy exists).
 
Check DigitalFoundry's framerate test. Twilight Princess HD still runs worse than the Wii version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26_jn8tLqkI

What I really don't get is that the WiiU is backwards compatible with the Wii, yet they made a remaster of a Wii game? What's the point? They could have just released the Wii version of TP on the eShop as a downloadable title like they did with the likes of Xenoblade Chonicles and Metroid Prime Trilogy. In fact, I'd have preferred that. As annoying as it might be to do the slashing with the Wii remote, they could easily reconfigure the controls to the gamepad on an eShop re-release. They've already done it with Xenoblade Chronicles (you can play the Wii game with just the gamepad and no Wiimote).

Because the GC version is rated the better version and the version hardily anyone played due to being a limited run, end of the GC life span, was released after the Wii version and the Wii version is a port anyway. So the motion controller were shoved in, which not many people liked.

If the Wii version was compatible with the classic controller then it would be on the eShop too but Nintendo took note and understands no one wants to play TP with motion controls and motion controls is dead and buried.

At the end of the day, there is only one place you can play Nintendo exclusives and that's what keeps them at high value. The demand is there, otherwise you see the games in the bargain bucket along with other PS3/4/360/Xbox One games. Halo, God of War, Gears of War, Uncharted will never become high value games, yet they are pretty dame good games.
 
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The framerates plays fine for me

Yeah generally the framerate is solid, just a couple of areas drop a bit. It's not quite up to the standard of Nintendo's new releases, but overall good performance by current console standards.

From the DF article:

DigitalFoundry said:
[...] the alpha transparency effect used for the fog around Faron Woods (particularly after Link enters the Twilight) cause sub-30fps drops. It's an area that doesn't disturb older hardware at all - and though almost every other dungeon runs at a solid lock at 30fps on Wii U, we see unique dips to 25fps here.

Thankfully we're looking at an exceptional case in this remaster. Frame-rates are rarely troubled, and even the rare drops we do get are permissible as a trade-off for such a sharp rise in image quality. It's an interesting side-effect of Tantalus' tinkering, but not one that lessens the enjoyment of playing Twilight Princess HD overall. And on balance, it's a more evenly optimised experience than 2013's Wind Waker HD
 
If the Wii version was compatible with the classic controller then it would be on the eShop too but Nintendo took note and understands no one wants to play TP with motion controls and motion controls is dead and buried.

Hold on, was Xenoblade Chronicles playable with gamepad only because it originally had CC support? Even so, it's not like they can't change only the controls, they've done it before. I remember the Wii had remasters of the Pikmin games with different controls, I think they might have been Nintendo select titles. Plus this remake was made from the Gamecube version and as bad as folks claim the Wii version was, I enjoyed what little I played of it (only ever finished the first temple). And once again I'm reminded of how dumb Nintendo is for not having Gamecube virtual console/eShop (a lot of folks want that for WiiU).

Conversely, it's their product: they can choose to sell it for whatever price they like!!

At the end of the day, there is only one place you can play Nintendo exclusives and that's what keeps them at high value. The demand is there, otherwise you see the games in the bargain bucket along with other PS3/4/360/Xbox One games. Halo, God of War, Gears of War, Uncharted will never become high value games, yet they are pretty dame good games.

That's absolutely true. But usually if something is priced too high, it wouldn't sell. Try listing a used copy of MGS4 for £40 on Ebay, likely won't sell. I admit that low supply drives a higher cost, but that's an issue of not making enough copies. I don't think recent Nintendo games are that hard to find (i.e. low in supply + high in demand), so an increased price can't be due to that. All that said, my value proposition argument still falls through because some people will just buy stuff regardless of the price anyway (people buy scalped goods at release for example).

But the Nintendo exclusive argument for value doesn't come through. Since similarly there is only one place you can play games like Halo, Gears, Uncharted, etc too. On their respective systems. One also might argue that Nintendo isn't as platform exclusive due to emulation (Wii emulator is years ahead of PS3/XB360 emulators). And you can't excuse them for selling 5-10 year old last-gen games for more than they cost to buy originally on release.

I'll absolutely admit, I really don't like Nintendo these days. As an ex-fan I feel like they've gone downhill and disappointed me (hence why it's not good to be a fan of something). But I'll also admit that 99% of my gaming recently has been only Nintendo on the WiiU/3DS and I enjoy playing those games, despite owning a gaming PC, a PS4 and all the last gen consoles.

One last thing, I'd usually feel that we shouldn't judge folks for buying what they want, for however much they want. It shouldn't affect us. But recent times have made me feel it does affect the entire market. Micro-transactions in full-price games is an example. Sure I shouldn't get upset that folks might want to choose to spend some extra money on Req packs in Halo 5. But the result of a lot of people buying them, is that MS now feels it was a good decision to include MTs and will likely include them in upcoming games too.

The phrase 'speak with your wallets' rings truer than ever before, if companies see that certain things will get them more money, then of course they'll keep doing that stuff. If companies do something and it loses them money, they'll be put off form doing it. In that regard, the consumers are the ones with the power and would thus be to blame for such issues (in this case, buying old Nintendo games for full-price many years after release).

Apologies for the long post. I'm just sad that a game I was looking forward to, includes micro-transactions (game is a full-priced AAA title) and now I won't be able to play it. No matter how much they cover it up with icing, the needle in the cake is still there.
 
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