*** Official Nintendo Wii U thread ***

So much doom and gloom and moaning :p There are definitely quite a few issues with it, they need to improve the UI speed for a start, but i don't really think its wise to condemn the console after literally a few hours with it.

I applaud Nintendo for trying something new. As far as I'm concerned, they're the only company who are truly innovating and bringing different experiences.

The two main problems i see are:

Negative media attention. Everyone agrees this wont do as well as the wii, and for some reason everyone therefore concludes it will a terrible console and that they won't buy it. People almost seem to enjoy hearing that a company is struggling these days, its very bizarre.

Lazy developer ports, designed to just make money off of console hype and then tarnish the reputation of the software library. Mass effect and arkham city are the main ones that will spring mind.

As with any console, it needs loads of games. Bring it more, better quality games and fast.
 
couple of quick Qs guys,

is there any benefit to getting the premium pack other than the extra storage?

and where the heck can you pick up a second wii u gamepad?
 
Delta12 said:
is there any benefit to getting the premium pack other than the extra storage?
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Gamepad stand is the only other difference I believe.

Edit: Also a GamePad charging dock and console stand apparently.

and where the heck can you pick up a second wii u gamepad?
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You can't, they don't sell them. They said they may next year, but no plans yet.
 
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flibby said:
Gamepad stand is the only other difference I believe.

Edit: Also a GamePad charging dock and console stand apparently.

You can't, they don't sell them. They said they may next year, but no plans yet.
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You also get Nintendoland included in the premium package and not in the basic (Worth £30-£35).

If you take the ZombieU premium pack you don't get Nintendoland but you do get the WiiU Pro Controller (Xbox/PS3 style controller)

Also worth noting none of the games announced or available at launch support twin gamepads so it's a moot point at the moment. Until a games available that utilises twin gamepads there's no need to have 2.
 
Ah that's nice, didn't realise it also came packed with Nintendoland.

Did anyone see that report yesterday of the guy that got into the Miiverse admin debug mode accidentally? bit of a hilarious security breach :p
 
jrodga2k5 said:
I mean you can read through these BBC articles and pick up people supporting the product also like Jason Schreir from Kokatu.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20320574

The game library through the launch window is fairly robust, it takes a while for that 'killer app' to come around with the majority of consoles and especially on the previous launches that have come from others.

E3 is going to be the big hurdle and if they can come to that show all guns blazing revealing all their 'killer apps' titles which do take longer to develop then they'll be onto a winner.

Looking forward to getting mines :)
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Wow that link made it look a piece of crap LOl, I was fairly interested in this and considering getting one but now ive lost all interest.
 
flibby said:
Also his confusion about whether he should be looking at the TV or his controller screen... this is purely dependant on the game. Some for instance use it as an inventory, maybe car games would use it as a rear view mirror, or maybe a football game using it for game stats and player info on the fly. It should be obvious that you need to look at your TV and using the controller screen on an as-needed basis.
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In a way, but ultimately its a fairly pointless exercise.

With a fairly static game, then perhaps there isn't anything wrong with it being an inventory.

Anything more fast paced though and it becomes a hinderance. For example, your suggestion of a rear view mirror for a car. If I look down at the tablet, I'm no longer looking at the screen. It's counterintuitive to what has been a gameplay mechanic for a long time of having a mirror on screen, or in the cockpit, or your option of changing views. Being able to see the rear view mirror in your peripheral vision while driving is far closer to reality than looking down at your lap, which is a step backwards.

Another one I'd see them using it for is putting things like maps, which are so common in FPS' and 3rd Person Action games. Again though, having this information presented to me on the screen as things currently stands means I only have to glance my eyes to the side. Where as moving my head and eyes down to my lap, taking my eyes of the screen to check it on the tablet is again counterintuitive.

This I believe is what Molyneux is also referring to and I think he is right. Sure Nintendo may have some 1st party titles that make interesting use of it, but as I've said in other threads, 1st party games are dying a death these days. The Publishers make money across all platforms and stand to make the most revenue from having multi-platform games. Thus it means that Developers will just be shoehorning in the tablet feature of the Wii-U into an existing game.

Its exactly the same as how Kinect and Move have been out two years now, yet you still don't see much in the way of them being utilised in cross platform games.


I'm not being doom and gloom for the sake of it, I've been playing Nintendo since I was a kid. I just don't see this console being popular and that isn't all down to Nintendo, its just that what made the Wii popular and brought video games to so many generations of people is a ship that has well and truly sailed.

History has long shown that its difficult for three consoles to exist on the market together. The Wii offered something different to the other two; while they are trying to offer something different again, they aren't going to capture that market that they did for the first time before. Players of Xbox and Playstation aren't going to abandon those machines anytime soon and will likely buy the next iterations, so their future is fairly safe.
 
I agree with those saying at least Nintendo are trying to innovate. I really just can't see the next gen PS & Xbox being anything other than incredibly disappointing. Look back at the previous Generations of consoles;

Atari -> NES/Master System - Major leap in Graphics and sound.

NES/MS -> SNES/MD - Another major leap in terms of graphical and sound capability.

SNES/MD -> N64/PS1 -> The first proper leap into 3D and in the PS1s case the future of game distribution with the increased capacity of a CD.

PS1/N64 -> PS2/GC/DC etc - Took the rather bland textures and blocky polygons and turned them into much more detailed textures and models.

PS2 etc -> PS3 etc - Smoothed out the rough edges such as the low resolution found in the previous gen and began to output in 720p/1080p which made them look a lot sharper than most games in the previous generation.

I just can't see the next gen consoles improving upon the current generation quite as much as the previous generations have improved upon the one before them.
 
To be fair as long as Nintendo fix the OS and the hard locks, I don't actually care about the power of the system etc. I only buy Nintendo consoles for first party games any way.
 
During the initial console software update (which takes hours :/ ) don't turn the console off, it 100% of the time bricks your machine.
Just a heads up.
 
Alpherah said:
During the initial console software update (which takes hours :/ ) don't turn the console off, it 100% of the time bricks your machine.
Just a heads up.
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According to 1 person. so yes therefore 100% of the tested time as no one else was stupid enough to power off during a bios flashing.
 
My problem with the Wii U isn't the lack of graphical firepower or the various teething issues, it's that nothing I've seen has convinced me that the Gamepad is more than a novelty. The ability to play on a small screen rather than your TV just seems like a step backwards when we already have HDTVs. It only really brings something new in a multiplayer game and even then it seems to be shallow features that are amusing because they are unique but that quickly fades when you find there's nothing much to it.

Some people moan about the lack of innovation from Sony/MS but to be honest I don't see the problem, normal controllers are perfect for pretty much any type of game. The Wii, Kinect and Move all showed that motion control is hard to do well and in most cases was shoehorned into a game without adding anything significant in terms of fun or gameplay.

The only thing I want from the next generation is more power so games can have more complex systems to create worlds that are more populated and believable, allowing more opponents in racing games, better AI, better physics and more interaction with the environment, etc.

I appreciate Nintendo need to do something unique after the Wii but I think they have missed the point by not focusing a bit more time on the console itself rather than the gamepad.
 
Still a secondary console for me. Wanted HD Nintendo games and Ill soon have it. Don't care what PS and Xbox bring as I don't think they are even competing.
Ill be happy with a next gen console to play with and a Wii U for HD Mario and Zelda etcc.
 
This has to be literally the most trolled/AntiFanboyed Console launch i've ever seen.
People need to grow up tbh, maybe this is what happens in 2012 when something is launched that divides opinion.

The trolling hasn't even been from just hardcore anti nintendo types either, I have NEVER seen a game that splits reviewers so much other than Zombiiu
One will say feature X is good but feature Y is amazing
Another will say both features are great
A third will be like Y was rubbish but X was good.
And one will say everything is amazing.
I imagine it is quite good though, I looks it to me, both Joystiq and Eurogamer.net (the only two i even slightly trust) gave it equivilent of 9/10.
How about we stop babbling about things we dont know for certain and perhaps that remember that both the PS3 and XBOX360 had major hardware issues both at launch and afterwards for sometime and we STILL love them.
Finally any one who says that its no more powerful than Xbox360's or ps3's cant do maths.
It clearly isn't it?
Heres some maths for you, you imbecile.
Total memory for games:
WiiU: 1GB
Xbox: <512mb Used for OS as well
PS3 : <512mb used for OS as well and split evenly in 256mb chunks for GPU and CPU

The WiiU has a graphics chip thats "Several generations newer in ATI terms than the one in the XBOX360"
We dont know what it is yet but Anandtechs teardown confirmed the above as true today.
Finally it has a IBM multi core processor, Again we dont know how many exactly but I imagine its beyond both the cell and the XBOX360 at least.
Couple with the fact that games are Memory limited at the moment on the PS3 to the extent that they cant get the next two Skyrim expansions to work and you see that the KEY stat is the total amount of ram.
Then you will say " OH but it only has a 17GBs memory bandwidth"
Well, You sir , Know nothing.
That is just a number,
For reference, Its a number that far exceeds the memory bandwidth of the Nexus 10 tablet.
A tablet with BADASS internals and a screen with a 2560x1600 resolution.

Point number two you might make is that:
"OH apparently multi platform game X has slowdown"
To which I would say, I imagine its because it was showhorned into the console last minute by EA or someother idiot multi billion dollar publisher.
Have you ever seen a console launch?
Do you remember perfect dark zero?
It hardly blew Halo 2 away did it?

Also what Moothead said, Most of us have seen the dawn of technology and games, at least from Snes era and followed it through to this point in time.
Something that may of flew by some of you is that generational gaps are going to get smaller and smaller.
So get used to it and lets all stop talking ****
 
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I have had all the Nintendo consoles since the NES. My best gaming memories are of first seeing Super Mario World on an imported Super Famicom and Mario 64 on the N64 at the ECTS show(queued for an hour to have a 5 minute go).

They really should have had a new knockout 3d Mario title with awesome graphics, I would have bought it in a shot!
 
Does anyone know why the Wii U has 1gb of Ram for the OS as this seems to be a massive amount for a console? Or have i miss understood and the 1gb is for Graphics and the OS.
 
Eliot said:
Also what Moothead said, Most of us have seen the dawn of technology and games, at least from Snes era and followed it through to this point in time.
Something that may of flew by some of you is that generational gaps are going to get smaller and smaller.
So get used to it and lets all stop talking ****
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Yup. A lot of us observed the birth of home videogaming so by that nature we are going to see leaps and bounds in gaming advances to start and less so as new generation systems develop.
 
Geffen said:
Does anyone know why the Wii U has 1gb of Ram for the OS as this seems to be a massive amount for a console? Or have i miss understood and the 1gb is for Graphics and the OS.
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Its a good point and im not sure, Maybe they have plans for the os.
Maybe the gamepad is included in some way?

Im wondering if they manage to make leeway on the os if they can make more for the games :P
 
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