*** Official Nvidia 9xxx Series Thread***

[yipyipboo]

some news from Inquirer

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/01/27/why-nvidia-delayed-9600

NVIDIA found a small percentage of GeForce 9600 GT boards exhibiting a voltage transient on the NVDD power supply during certain applications. They have reason to believe that this may cause a system hang under certain conditions. In order to provide the most robust and reliable solution possible to NVIDIA's customers they have decided to hold shipments in order to make some minor modifications to reduce the transients.

NVIDIA's engineering team has identified the necessary modifications and they are in the process of verification. I will communicate the exact modifications to you as soon as they have been verified and we will communicate the new shipping schedule in the next few days.

Since we are now running into the Chinese New Year holiday NVIDIA have decided to move the launch date out a week in order to ensure that our partners have enough time to get product on shelves at the time of launch.

***New GeForce 9600 GT launch date is Feb. 21st***

Please make sure that all partners are aware of the new launch date and let me know if you have any questions.

 

[MHayes]

If nVidia didn't take the mick and released what they were supposed to on time then it surely would be the end for ATI, so maybe this is better than having no competition at all. However a Duopoly isn't exactly a free market is it. I wanna go crazy, I want a new graphics card. I have used SLI before and I really don't want it again.


the 9800GT should still be good for a midrange card. Once the m version is out I might buy a laptop.

 

[jambus]

some news from Inquirer... ok so we may aswel discard it immediately seeing as they only publish BS. Would be happier if it was a new high end card tbh... 9600 is a mid end card which is useless if you plan on playing crysis. I personally don't think building your own PC has been so boring for a very very long time.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

If nVidia didn't take the mick and released what they were supposed to on time then it surely would be the end for ATI, so maybe this is better than having no competition at all. However a Duopoly isn't exactly a free market is it. I wanna go crazy, I want a new graphics card. I have used SLI before and I really don't want it again.


the 9800GT should still be good for a midrange card. Once the m version is out I might buy a laptop.

Nvidia don't want to get rid of ATi, ATi is no threat to them, if they did want rid of them, they wouldn't slow down all the time and let them catch up, the only reason they do, is one word, Intel.

 

[Gerard]

ATi is no threat to them,

0_o

 

[jambus]

yeh I don't quite see how they're not a threat. Agreed they're no formidable threat, but the 3870X2 is a pretty decent card.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Well they aint a big threat are they, Nvidia have slowed down for over a year to let them catch up, they do it all the time they fall behind, if Nvidia get shot of AMD/ATi, then that leaves them vulnerable to Intel, they are the bigger threat, while AMD/ATi are still around, it keeps Intel of their backs, but if they got shot of em, then the chances are that Intel would take them, been rumours for years that Intel were gona buy Nvidia, they aint done it, but if AMD/ATi goes, i bet they will, and Nvidia knows it, so thats why they slow down all the time and not just kill AMD/ATi off imo.

 

[alexthecheese]

I think they just slow down because without competition there's no need to speed up...

 

[Gerard]

Well they aint a big threat are they, Nvidia have slowed down for over a year to let them catch up, they do it all the time they fall behind, if Nvidia get shot of AMD/ATi, then that leaves them vulnerable to Intel, they are the bigger threat, while AMD/ATi are still around, it keeps Intel of their backs, but if they got shot of em, then the chances are that Intel would take them, been rumours for years that Intel were gona buy Nvidia, they aint done it, but if AMD/ATi goes, i bet they will, and Nvidia knows it, so thats why they slow down all the time and not just kill AMD/ATi off imo.

So basically according to your logic the fx series was purposely flawed just so ati could catch up... yeah...

And the only reason ati havn't "caught up" is the same reason intel took a while to surpass the amd 64 chip, that reason being the new tech simply isn't ready yet so they have to make do with what they have on hand untill it is.

 

[Hobgoblin]

So basically according to your logic the fx series was purposely flawed just so ati could catch up... yeah...

i think he is referring to the fact that Nvidia hardly brought out a card or a driver for almost a year, as they dominated the high and mid range and low range, only once Radeon got their act together and started releasing better cards recently did Nvidia avalanche us with all these new boards.
Many people here will say that the GTX is one of the longest lasting "top cards" they can remember.

whe none is comfortably on top there is no reason to keep releasing products. or at least delaying them for a period of time.
case in point Intel at the moment and Nvidia over the last 9 months.

 

[Gerard]

i think he is referring to the fact that Nvidia hardly brought out a card or a driver for almost a year, as they dominated the high and mid range and low range, only once Radeon got their act together and started releasing better cards recently did Nvidia avalanche us with all these new boards.
Many people here will say that the GTX is one of the longest lasting "top cards" they can remember.

whe none is comfortably on top there is no reason to keep releasing products. or at least delaying them for a period of time.
case in point Intel at the moment and Nvidia over the last 9 months.

Yes but at the same time its hardly allowing ati to catch up, nvidia did release the ultra (at a large price premium over the gtx) which boosted their performance lead even more. I think loadsa is losing track of the fact that with no ati nvidia could price their boards however they wanted, and last i checked every company is in it for the money.

Letting ati play catch up makes no sense as another 9700 could be around the corner, as could another geforce fx for nvidia. And if that does happen it will play out how things are going currently with them having no choice but to field what they have and recoup some of the r&d costs.

 

[Hobgoblin]

Yes but at the same time its hardly allowing ati to catch up,

im sorry but im afraid total inaction when they could have extended the lead even more is basicly stopping the car and putting it in cruise control until the next driver gets nearer and then pressing the accelerator again.

I think loadsa is losing track of the fact that with no ati nvidia could price their boards however they wanted,

i dont think he is arguing that, in fact i think he's pointing out nvidia's actions actually promote this inter company competition. they are simply picking who they want to be as rivals. the monster that is Intel, or AMD.

and last i checked every company is in it for the money.

yep, so why would nvidia spend money refabricating their factorys and producing a new board when the one they are pumping out for a year is profiting and performing better than their partners?

 

[Gerard]

im sorry but im afraid total inaction when they could have extended the lead even more is basicly stopping the car and putting it in cruise control until the next driver gets nearer and then pressing the accelerator again.




i dont think he is arguing that, in fact i think he's pointing out nvidia's actions actually promote this inter company competition. they are simply picking who they want to be as rivals. the monster that is Intel, or AMD.


yep, so why would nvidia spend money refabricating their factorys and producing a new board when the one they are pumping out for a year is profiting and performing better than their partners?

Is it not possible that the reason theres been no new gtx or ultra could be down to them having problems with it? I remember nvidia stating last year that come november they would have a 1 teraflop card available. Oh there is a teraflop card available but its from ati. Begs the question with nvidia fielding the gx2 are they doing this because their new single chip card isn't working out like they had planned?

When intel enters the graphics market properly there will be no picking and choosing, obviously intel have HUGE pockets and can hammer away untill they get it right. Its hard to pick and choose your rivals when you have no choice in the matter, theyre going to be rivals regardless.

As for your last point i already answered that, a turkey can appear at any time and they can do nothing more than try and sell it. Look how long intel went with netburst pentium 4's for. But it was something they had to do as they had nothing else at the time.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Of course they have new tech ready, if AMD had a card to compete with the GTX/Ultra, those cards would not have been going for a year +, but seen as AMD/ATi have not been able to get anywhere near their performance, they have had no reason to replace them, their next gen's were supposed to be the 9800's, and they were supposed to be out last year, now its all changed thanks to AMD/ATi, its slowed right down, they are still in 2006 while we are all in 2008.

If they wanted to kill of AMD/ATi then they've got a funny way of showing it, they hear AMD/ATi will not release a card until 6 months later than them, and thats its only going to compete with their lowest model, so what do they do, scrap driver support, and scrap releasing new cards till that card appears, yup i can see thats definately going to kill them off, whoever thought of that brilliant idea wants a ******* medal.

 

[HeX]

What I want to see is the new 9800GTX specs, I couldn't give a rats behind about the GX2.

If it is going to be a rehash of the 8800 G92's again i'm hoping for specs something like:

Core: 800Mhz
SP: 128
Mem: 1GB GDDR3
Mem Speed: 1600-1800Mhz
Mem Bus: 512Bit

DX 10.1/PS 4.1


If it is annother 256Bit bus card i'll cry...

 

[Gerard]

Of course they have new tech ready, if AMD had a card to compete with the GTX/Ultra, those cards would not have been going for a year +, but seen as AMD/ATi have not been able to get anywhere near their performance, they have had no reason to replace them, id do the same, if my year old card was still untouched and at the top of the pile, i wouldn't replace it either, their 2nd gen Dx10 cards should have been out last year.

That would depend on what you consider new tech as you clearly disagree with what other people consider new tech.

 

[Lightnix]

Hopefully they'll pull a G90 or something which has 256 shaders. We can all but hope.

 

[HeX]

Hopefully they'll pull a G90 or something which has 256 shaders. We can all but hope.

I seriously doubt they'll increase the shader count if it is just a refresh, about the most we can hope for is a 512bit bus and a faster clockspeed.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

That would depend on what you consider new tech as you clearly disagree with what other people consider new tech.

Well of course, if they think that the same 2006 tech being put on a smaller chip is new, then they barmy, as its not new tech at all, if it was new tech then how come we were buying this tech in 2006, just on bigger die's, the 9 series are just 8 series cards, they have already said that, now the 8 series are not new tech, they were released in Nov. 2006, everyone knows that.

When the 8 series were released, were they new tech, or were they just the exact same 7900's on smaller chips, they were new tech.

 

[Gerard]

Well of course, if they think that the same 2006 tech being put on a smaller chip is new, then they barmy, as its not new tech at all, if it was new tech then how come we were buying this tech in 2006, just on bigger die's.

The fact that its on a smaller die makes it new, its refreshed with everything scaled down inside, in the case of the 3870 transistors were scaled back from 700 million to 666 million. I think any engineer at ibm or intel would tell you the same thing.