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Safron414 said:
Regarding the Wither:

The admins have decided that the Wither will not be available for players to spawn. The Wither will be solely be used for events.

The reason behind this decision is because the Wither is not safe. It will attack anything (animals included) and as a result it can cause a lot of accidental damage.

It would also be nice to reserve the nether stars as an event item only. This will make the beacon a rare item, similar to the egg from the End dragon.
We will try to make sure that a Wither will be spawned each event weekend. If the Wither does not drop a nether star, an admin will NOT spawn one. It is a luck of the draw and hopefully the people who have a beacon can feel a bit extra special to have one :)

We appreciate that some people may disagree to this decision and we ask you for your understanding :)
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Vanilla Server or not...????

Saving the wither for events is not fair on everyone, the other day i was told that sponges could not be used on beacons as it would mean that those making donations would be treated differently to those that dont, but people that cant make the event or are crap at them are also being treated differently.

Why cant you make a portal to a bedrock cube to be able to spawn the wither, that will stop it killing everyting around it, but would also make it a lot harder for the thing to be killed, but would also give the player the chance to get the items they had back when killed.

Can you please claify what you mean by the "Admins" all admins or just the two admins for the vanilla server?
 
The Wither can not be spawned on the modded server because the modded server is using an outdated version of the game.

Maybe I should have added that another reason why we don't want a "wither room" is because having beacons all over the place is not something that we feel comfortable with because they are so incredible visible. We are worried that there simply will be too many around.

Not everyone can attend events, but there will be several of events on different dates and everyone who attend will have an equal opportunity to get one. Just look at the last event. tostring got the star and he wasn't even fighting or wearing any armour as far as I could see.

The Wither can not be killed easily, it will need a lot of teamwork. Beacons and stars are also free to be traded or given away to a friend.
An event does not have to be big or complicated. There may even be events announced where nothing but a Wither will be spawned and anyone able to come and play will have a chance to get a star.

The admins who are active on the vanilla server have made the decision, which is Maxi and myself.
 
i wasnt asking for the wither to be on the modded server, i was suggesting that the vanilla server is now no longer vanillia.

And sorry to hear that having beacons "all over the place" is the real reason....

i cam back to vanilla to be able to play the new updates... and well guess thats not happening, & only 2 admins decided.. thats very easy to go with the majority! there are other admins why was they not consulted? its BS, i cant see any real reason as to why you have had to put a ban on this, it has taken a lot out of the game!!!! - sorry correction... YOU HAVE TAKEN A LOT OUT OF THE GAME!
 
Not looking to kick up a fuss and yes I shouldn't really be one to complain bearing in mind I won a nether star but following on from the points Aire made above - making the "nether star" available only through events makes a lot of the new content that 1.4.2 redundant in terms of the wither skeletons are now pretty much useless, we cant fight the wither which is now the hardest "boss" to defeat in minecraft now.

I've been running around for 3 days in the nether killing as many wither skeletons as I can under the belief that admins will only be able to spawn withers or us only in the end. (The drop rate is 1 in 40 (2.5%) for a wither skull - I've got 6 now so that's a hell of a lot of skeletons) My wither spawn pad has now been made redundant as well now.

I looked forward to a bit of a challenge when I knew the vanilla server was coming back - planning a nice build to incorporate 5 beacons. But now I feel a rather large feature of vanilla has now just been ripped out of the game.

Again its not hard to combat the destructive nature of the Wither whether its purely kept for the end or spawned in a bedrock box. Either of those methods makes the Wither harder to defeat the player as the wither always has priority of other living things in the world over the player. Meaning its always concentrated killing us 100% of the time.

Please Maxi and Saf don't take this the wrong way - I've always loved LinkTart and having tried many other servers this one just feels like home your both very good at what you do but I'm hoping you'll listen to the players thoughts as you've always done before.
 
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Safron414 said:
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Not everyone can attend events, but there will be several of events on different dates and everyone who attend will have an equal opportunity to get one. Just look at the last event. tostring got the star and he wasn't even fighting or wearing any armour as far as I could see.
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As far as I'm aware ToString spawned his own wither in the end as the star was left to a hunt for me and TrIn to find after the event.

EDIT: Got my facts mixed up ToS did get one from the wither, saf you did spawn one after the wither was thought to not of dropped one/blew it up.
 
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lol at the QQ

All teh admins on the server do is put in their time and effort for the people who play the game.

When everything is fine theres not one word of thanks yet the minute sum1 doesnt get to play with a certain toy its time for the WHAAAMMbulance.

Seriously if you think its worth admins time to listen to this then your very much mistaken.

Deal with it, im already being put off playing on the server again due to some of the whining.
 
AirGuitar... Why on earth are you raging so much?

Some aspects of the game are reserved for events. This is hardly unusual or indeed something that only exists in Minecraft. There's no need to throw a hissy fit.
 
Okay lets go over this a bit more, seems like a few peeps are confused with us BLOCKING THE WITHER SO YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO EXPERIENCE!!! This isn't the case this is as much as not re spawning the enderdragon... In the last server once the dragon had been killed that was it until and admin spawned it which was done what, like once every two weeks?

We've chosen to disable the Wither due to it being stupidly destructive if not killed quickly IE not in an event and trying to solo it as well as trying to keep something unique for players to experience as an end game over time. Imagine if the wither was enabled now, there would be 5 of them floating around the end with 10 or so killed so everyone can get their beacon fix, after that it would just sit there as stagnant as the Dragon is.

So that is why we thought it would be best to leave it disabled for admin spawning only as well as events. Plus a lot of you seem to think we will be spawning one wither with the possibility of a nether star and that's it... Nope there may be multiples, mini events on odd nights when an admin is only as well as using nether stars as rewards for all types of events (treasure hunts, build contests, races and the like).
 
Safron414 said:
The Wither can not be killed easily, it will need a lot of teamwork. Beacons and stars are also free to be traded or given away to a friend.
An event does not have to be big or complicated. There may even be events announced where nothing but a Wither will be spawned and anyone able to come and play will have a chance to get a star.
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Well actually....it can :p
 
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So when I try to load up the live map page I get a black map with this written at the top in red "Web files are not matched with plugin version: All files need to be same version (1.1-1397)"

I am using firefox and havn't knowingly changed anything.

BTW, I personally couldn't give a toss if the world was spammed with beacons, so don't see why they should be restricted. For info, I would never attempt to get one, I don't even know what the wither is, I simply don't care one way or the other.
 
I don't think people complained this much about the enderdragon, I don't see why everyone is mad about the wither.

Events only? Great. Means everyone (that is on) get to experience it at the same time. More fun for the community.

Besides, beacons aren't all that great other than aesthetics, their bonuses are really limited.
 
By the looks of things almost all the problems with the wither are very easily solvable:

Wither is very destructive:
- have a special room for summoning the wither.
- only let admins place down the wither skulls so once you have got the skulls you can just give them to an admin to spawn it
(there is a similar plugin on the modded server that makes linkbook stands and book receptacles only placeable by admins so there must be some way of doing the same for wither skulls)

Beacons are very visible:
- it doubt it takes a genius to retexture the beacon to be invisible. you could make this texture and show people how to add it to texture packs if they want to (some people might like the look of lots of beacons). I've also seen an option called server textures, not sure what it means but by the sound of things it could help

beacons should be special:
- by the sound of what hunter said they are already special enough. they take several hours just to gather the skulls and then you have to fight a pretty hard boss for the CHANCE of getting a nether star

its no different to banning the enderdragon
- it is very different to the enderdragon. killing the enderdragon gets you an egg and some credits, killing the wither lets you use beacons which are a major part of the 1.4 update


Remember, this is coming from a guy who has no intention of using the vanilla server, imagine how upset some of the people who actually plan to use the vanilla server will be if they cant use the beacons
 
sharpygsxr said:
lol at the QQ
All the admins on the server do is put in their time and effort for the people who play the game.
When everything is fine theres not one word of thanks yet the minute sum1 doesnt get to play with a certain toy its time for the WHAAAMMbulance.
Seriously if you think its worth admins time to listen to this then your very much mistaken.
Deal with it, im already being put off playing on the server again due to some of the whining.
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FrenchTart said:
AirGuitar... Why on earth are you raging so much?
Some aspects of the game are reserved for events. This is hardly unusual or indeed something that only exists in Minecraft. There's no need to throw a hissy fit.
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UberGinge said:
I don't think people complained this much about the enderdragon, I don't see why everyone is mad about the wither.
Events only? Great. Means everyone (that is on) get to experience it at the same time. More fun for the community.
Besides, beacons aren't all that great other than aesthetics, their bonuses are really limited.
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Let me first appoligse if I have upset Saf or Maxi, this was in no way my intention,I guess the way in how I put my post could have been worded a bit better. but after spending 3 days in teh neather trying to get the skulls needed i was a bit hacked of at time wasted.

Sharpy, I hope you dont leave, your right the admins do put a lot of effort & time in the the running of these servers for us to play on & i do very much appericate what they do. I have always stood by them when I feel they are getting a hard time, and respect all the admins linktart has to offer.

French, I have spoken to Saf & Maxi in person in relation to this. as I have have said to them both, this isnt about me, its just how i have a view on life & think everyone should be given an oppertuinity through different means, it shouldnt just be about events, donating, or just being a nice person. some people are not good at or intrested in events, some people dont want to or cant afford to donate, and some people (like me earlier can be an A$$). there should be multiple ways of getting a beacon if someone want one, & yes I can see if every house had 1 at spawn then that would be silly.

Uber, the difference with the dragon is you got loads of XP, but once someone had built a spawner you had other ways of getting xp, and the egg, well thats pretty much usless.

Once againi apoligises to anyone I may have offended, it wasny my intent, i respectthe admins a lot of the crap they have to deal with & the amount of time they put in.
 
sharpygsxr said:
lol at the QQ

All teh admins on the server do is put in their time and effort for the people who play the game.

When everything is fine theres not one word of thanks yet the minute sum1 doesnt get to play with a certain toy its time for the WHAAAMMbulance.

Seriously if you think its worth admins time to listen to this then your very much mistaken.

Deal with it, im already being put off playing on the server again due to some of the whining.
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:rolleyes: Seriously??? Irony or what. Every person on this server I have seen in this thread show their gratitude to the admins and all the work they do. But it still is their own choice to give their time towards the server. FT and the admins are offering a service, a gaming service. Both FT and the admins want people to play on their server and for it to be thriving. Having a 'like it or lump it' attitude is not going to make that happen (I'm not insinuating this is how the admins have behaved mind you). While Aire went the wrong way about voicing his opinion, he had every right to do so.

You're being put off the server because of all the whining?? To be fair, it would put me off more seeing comments/posts like this one you have posted. Every game has things people don't like and every game people bring it up...I think you are the one who needs to deal with it and stop trying to brown nose.

On topic:
I think Reaper hit it on the head,

Reaper said:
its no different to banning the enderdragon
- it is very different to the enderdragon. killing the enderdragon gets you an egg and some credits, killing the wither lets you use beacons which are a major part of the 1.4 update
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Discussions are going on about this and there will be an update soon (maybe not until tomorrow) that should make players happy.

The admins are always happy to listen to ideas and feedback but being aggressive with them will of course not get you a favourable response initially, as has happened here.
 
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