Oh dear.. suspended

Sounds as if you're current manager has pretty much no people skills.

I mean what a numpty. You do almost 6 hours work for FREE and he is starts digging at you.

Telling him to **** off is pretty low too though.

I think you should have told him straight that he is being very unreasonable considering you have done XYZ and that his attitude is having negative side effects within the entire business.
 
Bigstan said:
Nonsense.

Every salary is negotiable.

If the employer says otherwise, go somewhere else.
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Sounds to me like you've been stuck offshore too long mate.

How the hell do you know if every salary is negotiable??

:confused:

The thing is with companies is there total lack of regard for their employees.

The employees put themselves out and it's just taken as "the norm" and it keeps going on, and on, and on.
When someone makes a stand against it the management get arsey about it.

Employees work with "minimum" or sometimes below "minimum" and as long as the job gets done - nothing gets said or even done.

I can sympathise with the OP's feelings after putting himself out for the company and there being no reciprocation his way after doing so.

Telling the gaffer to **** off is a no-no, diplomacy works wonders when you want to make a point.
 
squiffy said:
I'd like to see you try and negoitate a salary in retail, a hourly wage is given, if you don't like it they'll employ someone else.
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That's not my experience of retail.

Maybe some of us are better at negotiating salaries than others ;)
 
Yawn take it like man, grow some baws work over time dont get paid.

its because of a stupid attidude like this, that people get taken over a bench by uk employers.
 
DAvE18 said:
Yawn take it like man, grow some baws work over time dont get paid.

its because of a stupid attidude like this, that people get taken over a bench by uk employers.
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Exactly, because they get away with it with say 50% of the workforce, they then force it on the other 50%, if/when they stand up for themselves either get reduced hours or perhaps laid off. I stood up to managers getting forcing people to work unpaid overtime, because new starters little bit gullible/not willing to kick up a fuss.

If you're on a excellent salary then I would work overtime to finish the job, and you start the job knowing finishing late is a occasional thing. But to be on a low salary, and work late unpaid several times a week :rolleyes:

That's not my experience of retail. Maybe some of us are better at negotiating salaries than others
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No, in a certain job they state the hourly pay, and that's it. No negoitation. I understand different for more professional occuptions, but not "dead end jobs"
 
Sorry lads but I also work in the public sector. Threatened to leave due to pay and was given a "market" premia to stay.

Every salary is negotiable and if not you move to another job and get the salary that you want. Of course this is caveated on the assumption that you have the skills and ability to justify a higher salary.
 
Bar said:
Sorry lads but I also work in the public sector. Threatened to leave due to pay and was given a "market" premia to stay.

Every salary is negotiable and if not you move to another job and get the salary that you want. Of course this is caveated on the assumption that you have the skills and ability to justify a higher salary.
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Thank you.

I would appreciate it if all those who stated otherwise would admit they were wrong - especially JimmyEatWorms because he was smug and rude about it.
 
Bar said:
Sorry lads but I also work in the public sector. Threatened to leave due to pay and was given a "market" premia to stay.

Every salary is negotiable and if not you move to another job and get the salary that you want. Of course this is caveated on the assumption that you have the skills and ability to justify a higher salary.
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Where do you work, because I can guarantee you that there is no negotiation of pay on an individual level for full-time Civil Servants in central government.

If you're a casual or contractor or work for an agency, then possibly, I don't know. But my point still stands, for the vast bulk of the public sector, negotiating pay is not possible.

I'd admit I was wrong if I was, but the statement that 'every salary is negotiable' is incorrect, sorry.
 
I work full time within the public sector although it is not central government.

Market Premia does exist though. The public sector cannot afford to lose key people so if you are seen as being valuable enough / invaluable, there is always flexibility. Although for obvious reasons this is not promoted in any way and those who do benefit from it are asked not to discuss it.

When I agree that any salary is negotiable I mean that if you have the skills and ability you can always improve your position - it just requires determination.

In the last 5 years I have managed to double my salary - I intend to double it again in the next 5 years, and then double it once more. That will take me to over 6 figures. Be this in the public or private sector I am determined to achieve it.
 
Bar said:
I work full time within the public sector although it is not central government.

Market Premia does exist though. The public sector cannot afford to lose key people so if you are seen as being valuable enough / invaluable, there is always flexibility. Although for obvious reasons this is not promoted in any way and those who do benefit from it are asked not to discuss it.
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Not in central gov it doesn't - there is absolutely zero flexibility with pay on an individual basis. Pay awards can only be negotiated by TUS on a departmental level and are awarded based on performance markings. No managers at any level have the ability to award staff with increases in salary.
 
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