There’s a difference between healthily seeking entertainment and unhealthily avoiding reality in a persistent manner.
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Oh noes, it's AI VR porn! Run for the hills!
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There’s a difference between healthily seeking entertainment and unhealthily avoiding reality in a persistent manner.
Soldato
Would binge watching a box set be unhealthy avoidance of reality or just healthily seeking entertainment?
I would imagine that the length of time would also determine how healthy or unhealthy said entertainment is?
The frequency of engagement, the ‘need to engage’ and the overall impact on a persons behaviour of a specific activity may determine how unhealthy something is.
It is very obvious to me that activities that are inherently addictive (i.e. those that involve desire followed by satiation - such as sexual fantasising) have more scope to impact a persons overall behaviour and wellbeing than overindulging in watching TV box sets… but of course any behaviour taken to extremes may be harmful to some individuals.
Soldato
So regarding computer games (and Im not expressing a view either way here, just posing the question), why is it ok to bloodily murder one or more computer generated people (eg GTA), but not engage in other illegal activity, such as sexual activity with underage computer generated people. And Im mindful that this topic is very sensitive, so it may not even be appropriate to have the discussion at all, I don't know. Im not even comfortable asking it or using certain language on the topic.
Is it just 'because society says so'? Maybe the answer is as simple as that.
Does computer game murder become less acceptable if AI powers the NPCs? What if those NPCs start to have 'living' thoughts like real people do?
Is it just 'because society says so'? Maybe the answer is as simple as that.
Does computer game murder become less acceptable if AI powers the NPCs? What if those NPCs start to have 'living' thoughts like real people do?
Soldato
Like hitting the gym for hours every day?
Like the desire to exercise and the satiation from endorphin release some people get from exercise?
Unhealthy?
I am, of course, being a little glib but it hits all the points you have made.
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Yes - it could be mentally unhealthy to overly fixate on exercise to escape certain realities. If we are speaking relatively though, exercise ‘requires time and energy’, whilst fantasising and living in your head is ‘immediate and energy free’ so I think that makes it more prone to being an obsessive unhealthy behaviour, compared to exercise.
So if I draw a unicorn then unicorns are real? Or an orc?
I know the drawing is real. But the drawing is no more manifesting a real situation or event than had it remained in the artist's head.
This is the problem. If imagining something cannot be a crime, then drawing the thing you imagined cannot be a crime, as the two are exactly as significant in terms of harm being caused (ie, none).
If depicting an imaginary situation on paper is to be a crime, then depicting the same imaginary situation in your head should also be the same crime. Or neither should be.
Is GTA healthy entertainment? Is running down a line of Hare Krishnas with a yellow school bus, then causing a mass pile up before murdering a dozen police officers?
That is absolutely fine in a video game.
Ironically, the only time GTA got in trouble was for a bit of (imaginary) nudity. Remember "Hot Coffee?" Lol.
Moral outrage has difficulty aligning with logic.
Popular series of game of thrones featured regular rape with various levels of sadism, torture, seriously sick torture, genital mutilation, innumerable "conventional" brutal deaths, suicides...
Oh and two adult characters have sex with underage characters. Ugly and unpleasant Meryn Trant goes to brothels to beat and have sex with girls while Margaery Tyrell was sleeping her way to power with the king but she was hot and that causes substantial blindness to the detail that she was banging a kid. All offscreen because that can be explained as far worse than the previous through copious dribbling.
Seriously, there was a long graphic section with screaming and begging as a guy has his (also underage) daughter barbecued alive and it was topped off by his wife hanging herself (yeah spoilers) and that's ok
That's the quality of our laws on what it is right to depict.
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That could apply to numerous other things that aren't illegal. Over-eating. Smoking. Binge-watching Netflix. Over-sleeping. Obsessing over hobbies.
None of those things are criminal as we generally don't punish unhealthy behaviour via the legal system. We tend to punish harmful behaviour, and even then not self-harm. Generally speaking, breaking the law requires that you harm others (or intend/attempt to).
Making it illegal to draw an underage orc having sex with a unicorn in the vacuum of space (it's OK as they have a magic space suit on so they can breath) - who does that protect from harm?
That's my question. This law that already exists... whom does it protect?
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You go draw some CP, take it to a police station and then try telling a judge that it cannot be a crime, see how you get on eh?
You make it sound simple. It isn't. For one, is it CP in the first place?
Example: it's well known that in Orc society there are no laws of consent. Orcs age and develop differently from humans. They become sexually active at age 5 (a bit later than catgirls).
You draw a 10 year old orc having sex with her trusty unicorn just floating past one of Jupiter's moons.
You are now sex offender?
The law exists, true. Some of us think it's a stupid law.
It protects you from yourself and in turn protects others from you.
There is a comic amusement / entertainment in video games from doing the absurd that doesn’t readily or obviously translate to carrying out the same desires in real life. I find that quite easy to say.
Can the same easily be said of the sort of imagery that you’re alluding to (i.e. there is a material disconnect between the material and the inherent wants)? Nobody is looking at that to experience the comic fun of the absurd. They are doing it because it’s arousing to them and that imagery is in turn encouraging them to fantasise and find it arousing.
You’re right though - it is ultimately a case of morality policing. There is no way for me to convincingly argue that it isn’t. Indeed, society simply values the protection of children very highly. If the line has to be drawn somewhere, or nowhere at all (for anything), then that seems a reasonable place to draw it
"It protects you from yourself and in turn protects others from you."
Can you elaborate upon that?
Is a person looking at an image (from the imagination) a threat to someone else, and if so, how?
Without using the "slippery slope" argument. The act of viewing this material - with nobody else in the room - is a threat to which other person, and how, and why?
Using as an example the image of the orc and the unicorn, in space.
Just getting off a train for a day / night of leisure, so I’ll have to delay my response to tomorrow (if I remember…!) but in short I would first say how harm is caused by legal pornography and go on from there.
Good afternoon, sir!
Soldato
I was watching a talk about this on Your Mom's House Studio (Tom Segura and his wife), about AI video creation.
It obviously started talking about pron. Then they said eventually it will be able to create scenes and everyone in them will be life like but all AI generated.
I was thinking this could be the same for movies and tv shows too. It could be done now with animated shows.
In the future anyone could be a film maker. Just type in the objectives of what you want the scenes and themes to be. Type in the description and bio of each actor, and there you go.. Oscar winner!
AI killed the movie star!
It obviously started talking about pron. Then they said eventually it will be able to create scenes and everyone in them will be life like but all AI generated.
I was thinking this could be the same for movies and tv shows too. It could be done now with animated shows.
In the future anyone could be a film maker. Just type in the objectives of what you want the scenes and themes to be. Type in the description and bio of each actor, and there you go.. Oscar winner!
AI killed the movie star!