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old cpu comparisons

well its a few years later, and im still using X5675 (never did overclock it though)

using an amd RX590. (12 gig memmory -- 6 x 2 gig triple channel sticks. SSD harddrive with op system etc

i do have an issue that when i shut down the pc,. some times it goes into a restart cycle for as much as 20 cycles, then kicks in

Gotten into VR now, so looking to improve the machine to make it more vr freindly (it will run some vr games but sometimes struggles)

what would you say is best bang for the buck at the moment. time for a complete new system or is there something i can change that will make a real difference?
 
Bolerus said:
what would you say is best bang for the buck at the moment. time for a complete new system or is there something i can change that will make a real difference?
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New motherboard/CPU/Memory would be the minimum you would need, the significantly higher IPC of newer CPUs versus your old Xeon will help raise minimum and average framerates (and make everything feel a bit smoother) even with your RX590 Graphics card.

Unfortunately almost everything is inflated in price at the minute, whether you go Intel or AMD:
- 12th Gen Intel motherboards are expensive (e.g. the cheapest in-stock full size ATX mothererboard on OcUK is £190 and that's only the midrange B660 chipset!), for longevity you'd also want a DDR5 motherboard and DDR5 memory (which is currently expensive compared to DDR4)
- The outgoing AMD AM4 motherboards have been hiked in price - pre-covid you could get a MSI Tomahawk B450 for under £100, the equivalent today is £150. And that's not factoring in, that whilst the AM4 chips are still great performers, it's now an EoL platform along with the DDR4 memory it requires.
- The new AM5 CPUs and motherboards are more expensive than the equivalent outgoing AM4 models, and require the more expensive DDR5 memory.


Personally if I was in your situation I'd be looking for a good 2nd hand CPU/Motherboard/RAM bundle - a Ryzen 3xxx/5xxx from someone who is upgrading to the latest platform, would give you a decent boost and shouldn't cost the earth.
 
yeah i was looking on ebay (doesnet seem to be anything in the buy sell on here at the moment) at a AMD Ryzen 5 5500 + Asrock A320M-HDV R4.0 Motherboard + 8GB DDR4 RAM Bundle but i think that was a new bundle ( think it was 270) again doesnet seem to be much on the used market that woudl be an upgrade


I have just ( because im thinking of upgrading now) had a play in bios, bios said id overclocked to 3.75 but windows is still reporting 3.07 (im guessing it didnt like my OC so it has reverted to a safe config)

I am thinking though, probably look for a decent upgrade and then give this set up to my son ( he is on an old I3 i think)

I assume just getting a newer G.card wont really make any difference to my set up?
 
Bolerus said:
yeah i was looking on ebay (doesnet seem to be anything in the buy sell on here at the moment) at a AMD Ryzen 5 5500 + Asrock A320M-HDV R4.0 Motherboard + 8GB DDR4 RAM Bundle but i think that was a new bundle ( think it was 270) again doesnet seem to be much on the used market that woudl be an upgrade


I have just ( because im thinking of upgrading now) had a play in bios, bios said id overclocked to 3.75 but windows is still reporting 3.07 (im guessing it didnt like my OC so it has reverted to a safe config)

I am thinking though, probably look for a decent upgrade and then give this set up to my son ( he is on an old I3 i think)

I assume just getting a newer G.card wont really make any difference to my set up?
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A newer card will help a bit but if you've in VR and you stutter it can make you feel physically ill.

You're quite close to getting access to the member's market which has way better stuff on there than ebay. It's also much safer as people on there are generally sound PC enthusiasts.
 
Bolerus said:
yeah i was looking on ebay (doesnet seem to be anything in the buy sell on here at the moment) at a AMD Ryzen 5 5500 + Asrock A320M-HDV R4.0 Motherboard + 8GB DDR4 RAM Bundle but i think that was a new bundle ( think it was 270) again doesnet seem to be much on the used market that woudl be an upgrade
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There are loads of things that will be an upgrade - anything newer than an 8th gen I5 (e.g. 8600K) is still a huge amount faster IPC wise than your 11 year old Xeon. A Ryzen 3600X (or 3700X) would be an ideal upgrade - almost twice the single core performance of your Xeon, and almost 3 times faster for multithreaded workloads.

To show how much things have moved on though, the 5500 you mentioned has over twice the single thread performance of your Xeon, whilst using less power, and only being ~500Mhz faster.




Bolerus said:
I assume just getting a newer G.card wont really make any difference to my set up?
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It will make some difference, but anything significantly faster will be bottlenecked by your current processor.

As already mentioned, a newer processor will in all likelihood release some performance from your existing graphics card (whether that just be increasing the minimum and average frame rates and so making things seem smoother)


Disco_P said:
You're quite close to getting access to the member's market which has way better stuff on there than ebay. It's also much safer as people on there are generally sound PC enthusiasts.
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He already has access, so just a matter of popping up a Wanted ad to see what's out there :)
 
You have access to members market...why aren't you looking for stuff on there?
Items are usually slightly cheaper than the bay, and nearly always well taken care off by enthusiasts
 
Armageus said:
There are loads of things that will be an upgrade - anything newer than an 8th gen I5 (e.g. 8600K) is still a huge amount faster IPC wise than your 11 year old Xeon. A Ryzen 3600X (or 3700X) would be an ideal upgrade - almost twice the single core performance of your Xeon, and almost 3 times faster for multithreaded workloads.

To show how much things have moved on though, the 5500 you mentioned has over twice the single thread performance of your Xeon, whilst using less power, and only being ~500Mhz faster.





It will make some difference, but anything significantly faster will be bottlenecked by your current processor.

As already mentioned, a newer processor will in all likelihood release some performance from your existing graphics card (whether that just be increasing the minimum and average frame rates and so making things seem smoother)



He already has access, so just a matter of popping up a Wanted ad to see what's out there :)
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Thanks Armageus that link is very useful :) i was looking at a list style chart and searching for the cpus i was looking at
 
on ebay there is a :- Upgrade Kit Bundle Kit Ryzen 5 5500 6x 4.2 Ghz Turbo/MSI B450M/16 GB PC3000 235 euros (about £204 plus £postage) from germany

seems a good price compared to getting the components individually, or am i missing something ( known bad motherboard or soemthing)
 
Bolerus said:
on ebay there is a :- Upgrade Kit Bundle Kit Ryzen 5 5500 6x 4.2 Ghz Turbo/MSI B450M/16 GB PC3000 235 euros (about £204 plus £postage) from germany

seems a good price compared to getting the components individually, or am i missing something ( known bad motherboard or soemthing)
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If you are looking at 5xxx series chips ideally you'd go for a Ryzen 5600 paired with a B550 motherboard to get PCI-E 4.0 Graphics and PCI-E 4.0 NVMe support.
The 5500 is based on AMD's Ryzen APUs so doesn't feature PCI-E 4.0 (only 3.0), and only has 16MB level 3 cache, versus 32MB on the other models. If buying for relative longevity I'd certainly look at the 5600/B550 over a 5500/B450.

With regards to RAM, ideally Ryzen chips want 3200Mhz or 3600Mhz ram for optimum performance (to run the Infiinity Fabric at it's optimum speed).


An MSI B450M may be a great board (MSI B450M Mortar Max) or could be terrible (B450M-A Pro) - don't know without seeing the full motherboard model.


My basket at OcUK:

Total: £382.67 (includes delivery: £8.70)​

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yeah i think i'll keep an eye on things.

the motherboard in that bundle is Mainboard AM4 MSI A520M-A Pro Max

£204 from germany so I think customs would be an extra 20% so so more like £245 plus deliery
 
Bolerus said:
yeah i think i'll keep an eye on things.

the motherboard in that bundle is Mainboard AM4 MSI A520M-A Pro Max

£204 from germany so I think customs would be an extra 20% so so more like £245 plus deliery
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A pretty cheap and nasty board then.

At £245 + Delivery it's not a great deal - it's basically the same price as you'd get it here

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £265.43 (includes delivery: £10.50)​



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Bolerus said:
there is a gigabyte motherboard cpu bundle. Aorus Pro v2 with TPM module and ryzen 7 3700x on ebay, currently at 155. what value would you give that (second hand)
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Not more than £200 imo. (A 3700x has just sold on the MM for £105...)

Especially when there is a 3600/MSI B450 Mortar Max/16GB/Cooler bundle on the MM for £250 (which I think is probably a bit too much)
 
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to be honest rexehuk that would be a very small improvement over the xeon setup i have, so i wouldnt be interested.. very surprised if that is the right kind of value, considering the prices i am seeing for (even new) much higher end cpus
 
Armageus said:
Not more than £200 imo. (A 3700x has just sold on the MM for £105...)

Especially when there is a 3600/MSI B450 Mortar Max/16GB/Cooler bundle on the MM for £250 (which I think is probably a bit too much)
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yeah i saw that this morning, and ignored it, thinking it was way overpriced .. my thinking was, that it was a ryzen 5 3XXX compared to a ryzen 5 5XXX is that correct, or is it the second numebr that is more important... eg X5xx V X6XX

that comparrison chart doesent show a big differnce

but the 5500 can be had new for 265 ish ( as you put above)

I would have expected a 3600 set up to be somewhere around the 175 price point.. but im a tight arse and think second hand gear should be around half the price of new (alwasy sell my stuff at half the new price)
 
Armageus said:
Not more than £200 imo. (A 3700x has just sold on the MM for £105...)

Especially when there is a 3600/MSI B450 Mortar Max/16GB/Cooler bundle on the MM for £250 (which I think is probably a bit too much)
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first off I really appreciate you taking the time to help me out here...

if it was a straight choice between the used ryzen 7 3700X (which has a high cpu benchmark but lower single thread) or the new ryzen 5 5500
(lets say for argument with 16gig memmory they both come out at the same price)

which would you go for

(if i had spotted that 3700x in the MM I would have had that i think )
 
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Bolerus said:
yeah i saw that this morning, and ignored it, thinking it was way overpriced .. my thinking was, that it was a ryzen 5 3XXX compared to a ryzen 5 5XXX is that correct, or is it the second numebr that is more important... eg X5xx V X6XX
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First number is essentially the generation, with the 2nd number being it's position in the generation (which influences number of cores and clock speeds).
So 3700 is a generation older than a 5600, but the 3700 is an 8 core part vs the newer 6 core.

Bolerus said:
that comparrison chart doesent show a big differnce
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There isn't a huge amount of difference between the 5500 and the 3600, they are both 6 core chips - the 5500 being slightly newer has slightly better single threaded performance (good for games). The 3700X would be better for general work / multithreaded apps due to the extra cores.


Bolerus said:
I would have expected a 3600 set up to be somewhere around the 175 price point.. but im a tight arse and think second hand gear should be around half the price of new (alwasy sell my stuff at half the new price)
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There isn't any harm in making a lower offer?


Bolerus said:
if it was a straight choice between the used ryzen 7 3700X (which has a high cpu benchmark but lower single thread) or the new ryzen 5 5500
(lets say for argument with 16gig memmory they both come out at the same price)
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Personally I'd go for a 3700X - it will last longer than a 5500 if you don't plan on upgrading the CPU again. And if you do plan on an upgrade, then 3700X -> 5700X or 5800X would be a more meaningful upgrade than 5500>5700X.

If buying a new 5xxx chip, then as mentioned above I'd personally avoid the 5500 and go for the 5600 paired with a B550 motherboard for more longevity with PCI-E 4.0 support.
 
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