Oldham - Torture

Dis86 · 9 Jul 2016 at 15:00

What the hell is going on in that town?!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-36739172

Shocked not only by what they did but the ages of these kids. Seriously seriously disturbing. Where'd they get the ideas to do that from?

kinetic747 · 9 Jul 2016 at 15:10

Almost as shocking as the leniency of the sentences :mad:

MooMoo444 · 9 Jul 2016 at 15:12

All that for an £80 debt?

Note to self.. Never take a loan from these guys

Delvis · 9 Jul 2016 at 15:25

Sad you can do this sort of thing and get a relatively lenient sentence.

They clearly knew what they was doing.

opethdisciple · 9 Jul 2016 at 15:40

They think their gangsters.

Orionaut · 9 Jul 2016 at 15:50

Dis86 said:
Shocked not only by what they did but the ages of these kids. Seriously seriously disturbing. Where'd they get the ideas to do that from?

ISIS Videos??

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Cosimo · 9 Jul 2016 at 15:57

Sickening behaviour.

A dose of medieval punishment on top of their sentences would be in order.

Uncle Petey · 9 Jul 2016 at 16:01

Orionaut said:
ISIS Videos??

Yeah, because no western media features the kind of violence and torture that appeals to the average wannabe gangster hoodrat.

G-MAN2004 · 9 Jul 2016 at 16:03

Allah will be furious. Or will he?

opethdisciple · 9 Jul 2016 at 16:12

Nothing to do with Muslims or ISIS. White youths and other ethnic backgrounds have done things like this.

It's just poor education that leads to things like this.

Caged · 9 Jul 2016 at 16:24

I don't agree that the sentencing is lenient. The 16 year olds are being detained for a length of time equal to a quarter of their life so far, the 15 year old goes away for a third of his life, and the 17 year old for over a third.

The crimes were shocking, but it wasn't murder, and longer sentencing doesn't reduce the ordeal that the victim went through. Hopefully there is an opportunity for them to be rehabilitated.

Delvis · 9 Jul 2016 at 16:28

Caged said:
I don't agree that the sentencing is lenient. The 16 year olds are being detained for a length of time equal to a quarter of their life so far, the 15 year old goes away for a third of his life, and the 17 year old for over a third.

The crimes were shocking, but it wasn't murder, and longer sentencing doesn't reduce the ordeal that the victim went through. Hopefully there is an opportunity for them to be rehabilitated.

To be honest, the sentencing should be more, then by all means give them the option to change their mindset.

To do something like that, you aren't right in the head.

scorza · 9 Jul 2016 at 16:32

Caged said:
I don't agree that the sentencing is lenient. The 16 year olds are being detained for a length of time equal to a quarter of their life so far, the 15 year old goes away for a third of his life, and the 17 year old for over a third.

The crimes were shocking, but it wasn't murder, and longer sentencing doesn't reduce the ordeal that the victim went through. Hopefully there is an opportunity for them to be rehabilitated.

What has the perpetrator's age got to do with anything? Would this crime have been worse if it was older men had carried it out? I can just about understand why people commit murder, I can't understand someone who would be so sadistic to another soul. There's something deeply sick within these kids and society deserves to be protected from it - the victim certainly deserves better justice than has been dealt in this case.

I too hope they can be rehabilitated and released - when they're in their 70s.

deuse · 9 Jul 2016 at 16:38

kinetic747 said:
Almost as shocking as the leniency of the sentences

Yep.

Pity you can't sue the parents in the UK.
The next lot of terrorists in the making.

Caged · 9 Jul 2016 at 16:41

scorza said:
What has the perpetrator's age got to do with anything?

Because it's one part of the fraction that I used to work out how long they were being locked away for as a proportion of their life so far. I don't think that's a completely invalid assessment of sentence duration.

scorza said:
Would this crime have been worse if it was older men had carried it out?

Presumably if the actions had been identical then the 'badness' of the crime would have been broadly the same as far as the victim is concerned. But they wouldn't have been sentenced as youths so the outcome would have been different.

Dis86 · 9 Jul 2016 at 16:42

Caged, from your logic though the older someone is the longer they should be sentenced. That's rubbish.

Caged · 9 Jul 2016 at 16:44

I didn't say that :confused:

. I was arguing that I don't believe the sentencing is especially lenient and looking at the length of the sentence vs. the age of the perpetrators to explain why I believe that, not advocating for sentencing to be based on a percentage of age.

Felon · 9 Jul 2016 at 16:49

Dis86 said:
Caged, from your logic though the older someone is the longer they should be sentenced. That's rubbish.

he didn't say that at all..

he simply implied that because they were young (all three of them were under 18) then they'd most likely receive a lesser sentence, than someone aged 40 - because they'd be tried in a youth court (because in reality they're not full adults) and as such probably end up in a young offenders institute..

Dis86 · 9 Jul 2016 at 16:50

Caged said:
I didn't say that . I was arguing that I don't believe the sentencing is especially lenient and looking at the length of the sentence vs. the age of the perpetrators to explain why I believe that, not advocating for sentencing to be based on a percentage of age.

But why look at it as a percentage of their age at all? Look at it as an absolute.
Their victim is likely physically scared for life and as the article says, definitely mentally damaged. That's a life sentence.