Oldham - Torture

Caged · 9 Jul 2016 at 16:57

Dis86 said:
But why look at it as a percentage of their age at all? Look at it as an absolute.
Their victim is likely physically scared for life and as the article says, definitely mentally damaged. That's a life sentence.

Because as I said earlier:

Caged said:
I don't think [that duration of sentence as a proportion of age is] a completely invalid assessment of sentence duration.

I'm not downplaying the impact this will have had on the victim, but the length of sentence won't lessen that impact. We aren't in a position to lock everyone away for life for crimes that could have life-long implications for the victims so there's a need to form a balance which is what sentencing guidelines do.

If there are mental health issues with any of the perpetrators then I would assume that they won't be released until that is resolved.

uber soldat · 9 Jul 2016 at 18:30

These feral dogs need to be put down, i dont care how old they are. They are only going to grow up to be bubbas***** no matter what.

Pawnless Endgame · 9 Jul 2016 at 18:36

I agree with the posts saying that the sentences should be longer. Age 10 is the age of criminal responsibility, and some of these geezers were 16/17 at the time of the crime, so technically adults.

Tosno · 9 Jul 2016 at 18:38

Liberals want 16 year olds to vote, so they should want 16 year olds to do harder time too, or doesn't it work that way for them?

Tefal · 9 Jul 2016 at 18:42

Caged said:
I didn't say that . I was arguing that I don't believe the sentencing is especially lenient and looking at the length of the sentence vs. the age of the perpetrators to explain why I believe that, not advocating for sentencing to be based on a percentage of age.

Which means that if say they where 60 and it was only a tenth of thier life it would be linent

peterwalkley · 9 Jul 2016 at 18:53

Depressing. Reminds me of the James Bulger case.

Dis86 · 9 Jul 2016 at 19:00

peterwalkley said:
Depressing. Reminds me of the James Bulger case.

That's kinda what went in to my head too. Look at the sentences his murderers received compared to what this scum has been handed.
Granted they went slightly further.

adam98150 · 9 Jul 2016 at 19:31

Any word on the victim? I imagine what happened was the victim was a friend / part of their group, he borrowed some money and then refused to pay up. Not read the article. And to the people saying stuff about race, well that's ridiculous. Are the people with british names better somehow? If you go to a bad area you'll find scummy people.

Dis86 · 9 Jul 2016 at 19:33

adam98150 said:
Any word on the victim? I imagine what happened was the victim was a friend / part of their group, he borrowed some money and then refused to pay up. Not read the article. And to the people saying stuff about race, well that's ridiculous. Are the people with british names better somehow? If you go to a bad area you'll find scummy people.

Seemingly if you go to Oldham you'll find scummy people!

Housey · 9 Jul 2016 at 20:07

Cosimo said:
Sickening behaviour. A dose of medieval punishment on top of their sentences would be in order.

Agreed, make them listen to Sonya albums for 5 years. They'll be dead in 2.

FurryLemon · 9 Jul 2016 at 22:01

The world has gone soft. 100 lashings would sort these mouth breathers out.

danoliver1 · 9 Jul 2016 at 22:21

Oldham the most depraved....I mean deprived area in the Uk according to govenment statistics.

RaohNS · 9 Jul 2016 at 22:26

Scum. Nothing more.

Hope victim has not been too traumatized since.

Amnesia · 9 Jul 2016 at 22:35

for once i think the sentences are fine.

Dis86 · 9 Jul 2016 at 23:20

Amnesia said:
for once i think the sentences are fine.

Why?

Amnesia · 10 Jul 2016 at 00:10

Dis86 said:
Why?

how much more(or less) should the judge have really gave ? they didnt kill him.
they didnt blind him or amputate him, they branded him with an iron which looks to be the worse of it.
to be getting 4 or 5 years in prison seems like a good sentence for them.

if that had happened to me and those responsible got those sentences i'd probably be happy with the result.

diamount · 10 Jul 2016 at 01:10

Tosno said:
Liberals want 16 year olds to vote, so they should want 16 year olds to do harder time too, or doesn't it work that way for them?

That's some mental gymnastics right there.

Angilion · 10 Jul 2016 at 02:38

Caged said:
I don't agree that the sentencing is lenient. The 16 year olds are being detained for a length of time equal to a quarter of their life so far, the 15 year old goes away for a third of his life, and the 17 year old for over a third.

You appear to be arguing that sentencing should be given not in terms of time but in terms of the age of the offender, but that's strange enough for me to ask for clarification. "I sentence you to serve 20% of your current age". Odd.

Assume a hypothetical (but plausible) scenario in which 4 people commit a crime together, each doing the same things. The people are aged 15, 30, 45 and 60. Do you think they should be sentenced to x, 2x, 3x and 4x years for doing the same things? 5 years for the 15 year old, 10 for the 30 year old, 15 for the 45 year old and 20 for the 60 year old?

The crimes were shocking, but it wasn't murder, and longer sentencing doesn't reduce the ordeal that the victim went through. Hopefully there is an opportunity for them to be rehabilitated.

I wouldn't bet a bent penny I found in a gutter on it being possible to rehabilitate a gang who tortured someone for hours either for their own pleasure (which I expect was their real motivation) or for £16 each (which I expect was merely an excuse for choosing their victim).

koooowweeee · 10 Jul 2016 at 08:01

You only do half the sentence anyway, so 5 years really isn't that harsh. You could also get 6 months on tag. So really they could be out in 2 years, or the one who got 5 yeara and the others even less time

Ryan-3 · 10 Jul 2016 at 09:30

Some of the comments. :rolleyes:

Appalling crime. This country doesn't seem to deal punishment out properly (the olden day firing squad or hanging isn't proper either..) or do effective rehabilitation after crimes like these.