OLED VS HDR

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So I was looking at purchasing an LG OLED55E6V OLED HDR 4K but when I watched the limited demo's in the store I couldnt really work out whether I was getting a better TV in terms of picture than my faulty Sony KD55XD9305.

The advisor said to really appreciate it you need to watch an OLED in a dark room? I found that the images didnt 'pop' and I have seen by the reviews that the HDR on it doesnt give as high 'nits'. I dont know maybe I will visit Richersounds tomorrow because they have a demo room.

Any recommendations on a TV up to £2200?
 
OLED's have perfect blacks in that the pixel itself turns off so in terms of blacks OLED's can produce they are unbeatable. However they do not have quiet as high peek brightness as some of the LED panels out now measured in "nits". So in a dark room where having an eye bleeding brightness is not exactly needed to produce great images, OLED look amazing, why I suspect the adviser is saying you should watch it in a dark room. On the other hand in slightly brighter rooms / day light, the brighter images produced by LED's, for me at least look better then then absolute blacks provided by OLED's. I expect this is why in part the OLED may not have popped as much in the store under bright lights, but in real world use OLEDs are great.

Personally at this stage I would wait for the next round of OLED's which will be brighter and have a higher Nit count, while offering the amazing blacks. But if you can't wait and I had a £2200 budget, the LG OLED55E6V with a KS9000 65" a close second. .
 
It could have bad settings on the tv. I have the 65e6v and it goes pretty damm bright if I want it to. I don't run oled light at 100.

If you watch in a really bright environment it may not be quite as good as an led, But if you can control the brightness in the room a bit it would be fine.
 
HungryHippos said:
It could have bad settings on the tv. I have the 65e6v and it goes pretty damm bright if I want it to. I don't run oled light at 100.

If you watch in a really bright environment it may not be quite as good as an led, But if you can control the brightness in the room a bit it would be fine.
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Do you get any noticable judder that some people complain about
 
You will get 24hz "judder". It's a symptom of the way that the OLED TV uses sample and hold (like most modern displays), along with no black frame insertion or anything. Sample and hold displays the next frame after the previous one is drawn.

24hz judder is purely because of the low frame rates of the source content, and is somewhat by design. Motion interpolation does not do a good job of removing this, and can make other things worse. If all film was shot in 60 fps it would not be a problem, because there would be more frames to display in the content.

Saying all of this, I only see it in a problematic fashion sometimes, and when I do see it it's generally in slow panning shots.

My PC monitor displays exactly the same 24hz judder as my TV.

Best way to see if it would impact you would be to watch some content on one, especially a good mixture of stuff that would highlight 24hz judder, and stuff that may not.

At this point in time I am still happy with the TV, and especially how well it can display HD content. The 3D in particular on the E6 is very good, and it's probably the last premium 3D TV that will be made for a while (none of the big manufacturers are releasing any this year).

I needed a TV now, not in a years time, the new ones that are coming out will be priced at a premium for a while (this time next year probably to get them at more sensible prices).

The other thing to factor in is that the OLED has very few problems beyond the motion handling, which you may or may have issue with. Backlight bleed, off-angle viewing, clouding, tinting, banding. None of these really exist on OLED, especially on the 55" versions which are universally regarded. The 65" ones can have a little uniformity issues (mine does) but I wanted a bigger screen, and I only see it on very dark single tone backgrounds.

Image retention is something you need to be wary of though, the OLED displays are a little like Plasmas in that regard. If you display the same thing for too long it can take a bit of time for it to clear completely. It's not as extreme as Plasma though, and permanent image retention is very unlikely, not seen a single case of that so far.
 
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In a store environment, with all the bright lights and everything the OLED won't necessarily impress in the same way the LED's do with their peak brightness.

Get it home and it's a different story. OLED is king.
 
Don't bother with OLED till next year. This years models can't do HDR. But it does try hard but fails.
 
Metallifux said:
The LG Oleds must be able to take a 24p source though, surely that eliminates any judder?
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It's 24hz motion issues caused by the low framerates of the source material. The TV doesn't do anything to cause problems, it's just displaying the 24hz content faithfully.

It's like playing a PC game at 24fps, it won't be as smooth as the 60 fps version, but you can't just up the frame rate of a film because it was shot so that 24 frames are played in one second. Upping framerate will just speed up the content, and the audio.

Some TV's can combat 24hz judder with things like Black Frame Insertion (inserts a single black frame inbetween each real frame). The content is the same, but it tricks your eyes into thinking the motion is smoother than it is, on the flip side it lowers brightness to do it. Your eyes don't actually see the black frames, but they are flapping in and out, and you get an average brightness drop as a result.
 
"Upping framerate will just speed up the content, and the audio."

Incorrect. What happens ideally is the display triples the output, so 72hz. Pioneer plasmas do this.

Audio won't be sped up.
 
You'd have to show the same frame 3 times in a row to get that surely?

On balance I am still happy with the OLED, there is nothing "perfect" out there at the moment, tech being what it is right now, the OLED can display a very realistic picture, and has few drawbacks.
 
VincentHanna said:
What crack have you been smoking?

http://uk.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-features/hdr/best

http://uk.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-usage/movies/best

http://uk.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-usage/hdr-gaming/best
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LG OLED is at the moment a 2 layer pixel structure that can't get anywhere near 1000 nits for HDR premium.
Next year LG will come out with 3 layer pixel structure which will do 1000 nits for HDR premium.

My Sony TV can do between 1600-1800 nits. So it's HDR premium.
 
Actually the Sony TV's aren't officially Ultra HD Premium certified for some reason
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/136...g-but-it-will-launch-ultra-hd-blu-ray-in-2016

All LG OLED's are.

Ultra HD Premium badge is:
peak brightness to be more than 1,000 nits with a black level of less than 0.05 nits
OR
peak brightness to be 540 nits with a black level of less than 0.0005 nits

Next years LG OLED's will 'only' be 750 nits up from 2016's 600.

Current LG OLED HDR is great, Pacific Rim is outstanding.
 
VincentHanna said:
Actually the Sony TV's aren't officially Ultra HD Premium certified for some reason
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/136...g-but-it-will-launch-ultra-hd-blu-ray-in-2016

All LG OLED's are.

Ultra HD Premium badge is:
peak brightness to be more than 1,000 nits with a black level of less than 0.05 nits
OR
peak brightness to be 540 nits with a black level of less than 0.0005 nits

Next years LG OLED's will 'only' be 750 nits up from 2016's 600.

Current LG OLED HDR is great, Pacific Rim is outstanding.
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I was going by what my TV can do\specs(hdtvtest). Not what sony says\does.
Pacific Rim may look great on your LG. But wait till you see it on a real HDR TV :p

John Wick looks stunning :)
 
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Well I bought the LG OLED E6. I can definitely tell black is black, but I have yet to sit back, relax and watch some HDR content. What I have noticed is 'dolby vision' on netflix rather than HDR?
 
HungryHippos said:
It's 24hz motion issues caused by the low framerates of the source material. The TV doesn't do anything to cause problems, it's just displaying the 24hz content faithfully.

It's like playing a PC game at 24fps, it won't be as smooth as the 60 fps version, but you can't just up the frame rate of a film because it was shot so that 24 frames are played in one second. Upping framerate will just speed up the content, and the audio.

Some TV's can combat 24hz judder with things like Black Frame Insertion (inserts a single black frame inbetween each real frame). The content is the same, but it tricks your eyes into thinking the motion is smoother than it is, on the flip side it lowers brightness to do it. Your eyes don't actually see the black frames, but they are flapping in and out, and you get an average brightness drop as a result.
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No it's 23.976 fps.

23.976 is converted to 59.94hz "60hz" for your television using 3:2 pulldown which means repeat 3 frames, then repeat 2 averaging 2.5.
 
holymonk said:
Well I bought the LG OLED E6. I can definitely tell black is black, but I have yet to sit back, relax and watch some HDR content. What I have noticed is 'dolby vision' on netflix rather than HDR?
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Yeah the TV can do both, so in the Netflix app you will see DV.

The TV also has stupid standard mode out of the box, switch to ISF light/dark to suit your room, and turn off all the stupid things like edge enhancement and noise reduction. Trumotion should be disabled as well, play with adding it back in later if you want to use it.

The 3D on the E series should be very good as well, switch to ISF light/dark for that too. It uses passive 3D and has inky blacks so it should look as good, if not better than the cinema version.

PanMaster said:
No it's 23.976 fps.

23.976 is converted to 59.94hz "60hz" for your television using 3:2 pulldown which means repeat 3 frames, then repeat 2 averaging 2.5.
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Not if the source player can drop the frame rate properly, I'm pretty sure my pi running Plex drops the frame rate to 24fps, and the tv matches it, so I get 1:1 mapping of frames.

The 3:2 pulldown effect can cause issues, as the 24 frames don't fit evenly into 60 fps.

If I disable the pi from dropping the frame rate, then it outputs at 60fps or 3:2 pulldown.
 
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