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One Card is Not Better Than Two

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People always say a single card = best solution but it's not true.

Buying New:

If you have a 4870 for example, and are then faced with the decision of a 300 pounds 5870 or another 4870 in crossfire for 100 quid, you can get the second 4870, have competative performance to the 5870, granted you don't have DX11 or eyeinfinity and a higher power draw and slightly higher temperatures, but you're saving yourself 200 pounds.
People only poo poo the previous power draws and temperatures as soon as something new comes out with lower ones, yet previously when those cards came out they were the thing to have. The same thing will happen with 58XX series, 6XXX series will come out and people will poo poo the 5XXX series draw and temperature.

On top of that, if you haven't got money to throw around and have to wait for a card to come down to 150ish quid before you'll buy it. In the example I gave before, having one 4870 - lets say you bought it for 150 quid - and then buying a second one now for 100 quid, will in total have cost you 250 and you'll be able to continue playing your game on maximum settings, and won't need to upgrade until a single card which can beat your dual cards - likely the 5890, seeing as 4870x2 is on par with 5870 - is out and comes down to 150 quid. Now you will have upgraded from a crossfire setup matching 5870 performance - albeit without the new tech which is scarcely supported yet anyway - to a single card more powerful.

Now on the other hand you bought a 4870 at 150 quid which you still have. A 5850 might come down to 150 quid in 6 months, so between the card you have now and the 5850, you'll have spent 300 quid and still dont have the same frame rate as 2x 4870s (which would have saved you 50 quid) and it means you're going to have to upgrade sooner anyway, than if you had just bought a second 4870. Meaning more money, sooner.

And let's not forget that in the meanwhile, you're waiting for the next card to come down to 150 quid, you aren't able to play games at highest settings because you have a single card worth around 100 pounds. And waiting for the card 2 up from yours to come down to 150 pounds is going to put your current card below 100. Look at the cards currently below 100, why settle for that when you can save money, play at higher fps, higher settings at the cost of a little extra power draw, and a little higher temperature, which a year ago nobody batted an eyelid at.





Buying/Selling Second Hand

In the idea that second hand cards go for 50 quid under shop value to make this easier:

Okay let's say you buy a 5850 at 200, and it comes down to 150 quid. The 5870 has also come down 50 quid.

You flog your 5850 at 100 pounds, and are able to put up another 100 for a 5870 totalling 200 (second hand value) and costing you in reality 100.

You've practically bought this 5870 for a release worth of 300 pounds now.



On the other hand you buy a second hand 5850 at 100 pounds to crossfire with your current one.

You've now also spent 300 pounds in total but have better performance than the 5870.




Keeping with the idea that the cards go second hand 50 quid under what they are in the shop;

The 5870 comes down another 50 to 200 pounds, you're able to sell it for 150 pounds. A new card is out costing 300, you put 150 with the money you got for the 5870 and purchase the new card. Forgetting all previous money spent, you've bought this new card for 150 quid.


The 5850's you previously crossfired are likely to have similar performance as this new card much like the 4870s have with the 5870 - so no upgrade necessary.



You're now back at starting point. The crossfire 5850's have little value - 50 quid each. The new card you've bought will have greater value but you've already spent 150 quid extra to obtain it.


Assuming you sold both the 5850's as soon as you crossfired them, and the new card you just bought as soon as you bought it.

You sell the 5850s 50 quid each for a total of 100 pounds.

The new card for a total of 250 pounds - deduct what you bought it for - 150 pounds, and you have gained back 100 pounds.


Complete neutrality.

And the cycle starts over.


Buying new, 2 cards are better than one.

Buying second hand, it's pretty much level ground.
 
One card is better than two when the performance of the one card is equal or better than the two. Less power draw, less heat, games always scale 100% with one card. The x2 is behind the 5870 in most games and sometimes by a lot.
 
One card is better than two when the performance of the one card is equal or better than the two. Less power draw, less heat, games always scale 100% with one card. The x2 is behind the 5870 in most games and sometimes by a lot.

From the benches I've seen 2x 4870's come out on top as much as the 5870 does. There's little between them performance wise. As far as temperature goes, are you really saying you'd be that concerned crossfiring two 5850's because of the temperature they put out? When we already know just how low their temperature output is.
 
Two cards is best.....

As it looks better :p :p
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Two cards is best.....

As it looks better

I agree:-

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Although I've sold them and replaced with a single 5870 - another will be added when the EK waterblocks launch.
 
you are assuming that both the high end and the mid range cards lose the same amount of value over time, which doesn't happen in my experience. The high end cards will come down in price a lot faster second hand than the mid range.

Personally, I feel that DX11 + Eyefinity + guaranteed scaling + power usage/motherboard requirements is worth the premium over a 4870 x-fire setup. I'd probably just get a 5850 though which is better value.
 
And what's with all the LEDs...

Really though, i prefer single cards. If not just for the sheer price. A motherboard with two PCI-E x16 slots is generally more than twice as much than a board with just one. Then there's the PSU, which needs to have enough power and connectors which again is a fair bit more than a normal PSU. Then there's the card itself, which i don't need to to comment on.

Sure, if you have the money to spend then do it, but spending far more than twice as much for nowhere near twice as much performance just isn't worth it in my opinion.
 
I just can't be arsed with 2 cards, I never sell cards and like to buy the top end so I can't do that twice, I can't justify £600 every 12 months.

to be fair with multi monitor support now and improved drivers it isn't as bad as it was but still not worth it for most people. even when I get my 30" I will try and stick with a single card setup.
 
Bought my 8800gtx cards over 2 1/2years ago and still running almost every game max out at 1920x1200 ;)

Probably because the most high end game out is 2 and a half years old...

Just luck really that you bought that card at that time, good purchase but to be fair it can't play it properly.
 
A single-GPU solution is always going to better multi-GPU which is reliant on Crossfire/SLI technology, which is more or less a driver based hack which needs profiles to work effectively.

IMO the only situation where multi-GPU should be on the table is when you need performance superior to the fastest available single-GPU available, 4870x2 was awesome last generation primarily because 4870 alone wasn't all that, now though there is a single-GPU 5870 available which offers 4870x2 performance along with other advantages and without the need for Crossfire meaning there is no reason to go 4870 Crossfire except if finances are tight.

If I had a 4870 now I would sooner sell it and make up the difference to buy a 5870 than get another 4870 for Crossfire, short term it may be more expensive but long term it will save you money.
 
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And what's with all the LEDs...

Really though, i prefer single cards. If not just for the sheer price. A motherboard with two PCI-E x16 slots is generally more than twice as much than a board with just one. Then there's the PSU, which needs to have enough power and connectors which again is a fair bit more than a normal PSU. Then there's the card itself, which i don't need to to comment on.

Sure, if you have the money to spend then do it, but spending far more than twice as much for nowhere near twice as much performance just isn't worth it in my opinion.

the two PCI-E x16 slot boards have been shown time and again to give little gain over the alternative. Unless you're going for numbers you don't need to shell for one.

As for the PSU, there really isn't that much difference and it depends more on the manufacturer for the price point than anything.

And as I've shown above in the examples, you aren't spending twice as much - you're spending less if you buy new, and the same if you buy second hand.
 
Use a credit card to buy the two GPU cards then....As it will still look the same after :p

Or even better,Use your girlfriends/wife/parents credit card..

LOL

If money is no object then fair enough, SLI/Xfire would be very nice. But if I had money I can think of other things to spend it on that would bring me more joy than a small % performance increase and being able to see 2 graphics cards in my PC. But obviously everyone has differnt levels of what is acceptable, this is just where I draw the line personally.

I like to buy high end cards so it would have to be 2 of them which is very expensive and not really needed most of the time, sods law, when you do need it, it wont work.

The other option is to try and get better bang for buck and buy 2x mid range cards. I hate this idea personally because I can't be bothered selling my old cards. I cry when I see my old 7900GTX with dust on it, never mind having 2 of them gathering dust. I generally upgrade the entire rig after a GC purchase as it is the most important part. So my old rig gets converted to a server or media PC etc. I don't want SLI everywhere costing me loads in leccy.

also if 1 card doesn't work it is going to be awful. back down to a midrange card, ouch. This graphics card game aint cheap, just accept it., no point in messing about just to save a few pennys for better fps for a few months. I prefer a nice reliable single good card.

Still you are superior the PhysX suckers.
 
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