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Freefaller · 6 Apr 2006 at 17:00

Cassius Clarke said:
which part, 2 being better than 4, or the easier to fix part?

The part about 2 strokes are better than 4 strokes. It depends on your perception of better I suppose or what you want out of a bike... 2 strokes need a lot more maintenance and tend to be more highly strung in my opinion.

AtomicBanana · 6 Apr 2006 at 17:03

As you're talking about similar things to what I was going to ask, may as well hop onto this thread.

say I wait till I'm 21, and take the direct access, and get my self a gsxr 600 - will I instantly die?

Or, is it not that bad idea to get one now, and restrict it? that's some *major* restriction, but I guess it'd still be fine? anyone have any experince in this area?

lukechad · 6 Apr 2006 at 17:07

You should be fine getting straight on a 600, you only go as fast as you want to, yes they are VERY quick when you open them up, but you can also stick to speed limits no problems.

lots of people seem to think they are speed traps but they really arent, you only go as fast as you choose to

AtomicBanana · 6 Apr 2006 at 17:10

Well, basically, I *feel* I would be fine... but that's coming from me who's has 0 (road) bike experince. If they aren't mad unless pushed, I'm cool with that

Any rough figures on how much restriction costs?

lukechad · 6 Apr 2006 at 17:18

AtomicBanana said:
Any rough figures on how much restriction costs?

Usually about £150 inc fitting depending on the model you are trying to restrict. That includes the offical certificate that your insurance may request to see.

AtomicBanana · 6 Apr 2006 at 17:21

Sooooo tempting!

Freefaller · 6 Apr 2006 at 17:35

It's all about maturity. The throttle works both ways, and if you ride like a loon you'll end up hurting yourself or someone else. If you drive defensively and carefully as well as conscientiously and not selfishly you'll more than likely be fine. If you play silly buggers you'll have a higher chance of ending up in an unpleasant situation.

Only you know yourself, if you feel mature enough not to rag it everywhere and to keep it within your limit then there's no issues... if you feel you're going to over do it a little, then maybe start off on something less potent.

The insurance on a 0 ncb and 0 years experience will be a bit of a killer though.

lukechad · 6 Apr 2006 at 17:38

Freefaller said:
The insurance on a 0 ncb and 0 years experience will be a bit of a killer though.

You mean £1000 for third party only insurance isnt normal :eek:

heh, june should see my going back upto a proper level of cover, just had to drop down for 5 months until the years no claims was in the bag

Freefaller · 6 Apr 2006 at 17:53

lukechad said:
You mean £1000 for third party only insurance isnt normal

heh, june should see my going back upto a proper level of cover, just had to drop down for 5 months until the years no claims was in the bag

I pay under £400 FC

So there

AtomicBanana · 6 Apr 2006 at 18:39

Only you know yourself, if you feel mature enough not to rag it everywhere and to keep it within your limit then there's no issues... if you feel you're going to over do it a little, then maybe start off on something less potent.

Yep, that's pretty much how I feel... I know it's something that I can't prove, but I do geniunely feel I'd be pretty safe on my bike, only really opening it up when it felt very safe.

I also just have this paranoia that somehow the bike will flip over and kill me when I get near it

it's totally irational, and I'd get over it after some time on one (again). I just wanted to guage what exeprinced bikers thought.

lukechad · 6 Apr 2006 at 18:43

AtomicBanana said:
I just wanted to guage what exeprinced bikers thought.

Well freefaller isnt the guy to ask then, he managed to drop his in down, no other people were involved! So not knowing how to balance hardly makes him an "experienced" rider.

Love you really FF

AtomicBanana · 6 Apr 2006 at 19:58

One other thing... does the restriction effect insurance? I.e. am I going to be paying the same for a gsxr 600 I would if it had nearly 3 times the bhp? :|

lukechad · 6 Apr 2006 at 20:02

If your insurance ask for proof that its restricted then they wont alter the premium i'm afriad, its still the same bike and still as desireable to theives. So restricted or not its the same on the insurance. Which in my opinion is stupid, there is no insentive there for people to keep the restrictors in once the insruance have seen the certificate. My insurance havent even requested to see it!

Nazbit · 6 Apr 2006 at 21:05

I see what you mean about the bike being just as desirable, suppose that make sense, although I dont see why they would bother asking to see the certificate if it wasnt going to make any difference to the quote?

So do you just take the bike to a garage somewhere and have them restrict it and give you a certificate?

Innesita · 6 Apr 2006 at 22:07

Cassius Clarke said:
get a cagiva mito, 34bhp when de restricted but no copper will do you for it (12 bhp when restricted)

faster the the RS and will out handle many 600's on the twisties

it is max 33bhp yes, not on engize size. 2 stroke is loads better than 4 stroke, and easier to fix yourself with a little learning.

problem with the mito was the 7 speed box falling apart if you breathed on it

Euro_Hunter · 6 Apr 2006 at 23:25

Nazbit said:
I see what you mean about the bike being just as desirable, suppose that make sense, although I dont see why they would bother asking to see the certificate if it wasnt going to make any difference to the quote?

So do you just take the bike to a garage somewhere and have them restrict it and give you a certificate?

When I bought my CBR600 FS from new the Honda garage fitted the kit for me Free of charge.

My insurance co never requested the certificate eiher & it did not affect the cost which was around £350 fully comp.

For anyone that is interested this is what the restrictors form my CBR looked like when removed.

Didn't notice any difference in acceleration when removed eccept that the bike did not top out at 86mph anymore

Freefaller · 7 Apr 2006 at 07:53

lukechad said:
Well freefaller isnt the guy to ask then, he managed to drop his in down, no other people were involved! So not knowing how to balance hardly makes him an "experienced" rider.

Love you really FF

Git!

I blame the old tyres... And.. and.. and.... bah, there's no denying, it was a n00b mistake

Back to training school for me

Well it had to happen after over 3 years of riding.... So so embarassing. Needless to say no one bothered to try and help me up (though I didn't really need help).

lukechad · 7 Apr 2006 at 15:40

Euro_Hunter said:
Didn't notice any difference in acceleration when removed eccept that the bike did not top out at 86mph anymore

That cant be right, the restrictors usually cap the power at about 7,000 rpm, so revving it above that would be pointless. You are telling me that the acceleration didnt alter at all with the restrictors out, i cant believe that at all :confused:

Unless you arent revving it much :/

Freefaller- Sorry bud, i have hopefully had all my accidents for a few years now

Was · 7 Apr 2006 at 16:50

Hmm lots of comments....

Talking of bhp on a 125, managed to get my old 1990 Ar125 upto 29bhp with some fiddling, no new parts just some "polishing"
needed a new piston and rings every 5000miles.

In standard it would do an indicated 80-90 about right compared to other vehicles, Got about 30mpg... My friends little 125 4 stroke honda did about 65mph and about 80mpg.... half the insurance cost and did about 36000miles before any problems....

2 strokes - Fast but need to be run at high revs all the time or feel like a slug, expensive insurance, need 2 stroke oil added, kick start, more maintenance needed.

4 stroke - 60-70mph run happily at any rev (in the range of course) High mpg, low maintenance and more reasonable insurance

Go test ride a few, you will probably do your test on a 4 stroke, what I would do is get a cheap 4 stroke until I passed my test then get something different.

Restrictors are usaully a washer restricting the air/feul intake or restricting the exhaust.
Really simple to remove but not worth doing, invalidates insurance and license...bad news

GlasgowTitan · 7 Apr 2006 at 17:38

AtomicBanana said:
As you're talking about similar things to what I was going to ask, may as well hop onto this thread.

say I wait till I'm 21, and take the direct access, and get my self a gsxr 600 - will I instantly die?

Don't count on that. I was thinking about doing the DAS, and I'm 21 in November. However I found out recently that "they" are doing away with DAS altogether. As I work in a petrol station I have asked a couple instructors about this when they fill up and they have said that it might still be in place in November, or it may have been scrapped before then. Whatever the case is, you want to get on a DAS SOONER rather than later before its gone for good and you are stuck on a smaller bike.