Opera Web Browser... eh?

BoomAM said:
Firefox cant do that. .
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Yes it can, in fact it's Opera that can't be configured to the same extent as Firefox so I don't know what you're on about.

Can you set Opera so that the bookmarks toolbar functions like this?

I have tried to do it in 9.1 many times but failed to get it to function the same way and in order to be able to drag around bookmarks you have to be in the bookmarks manager as well whereas in firefox you do not.
 
dirtydog said:
I don't think people's concern about memory usage is anything to do with winning approval from strangers on an internet forum about how low it is :rolleyes:
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So why all the hoo-har about memory usage then? As long as it and the system is smooth, it really doesnt matter if it uses 30 or 60mb (or even 200mb!). Especially with the amount of memory we have nowadays.

mrk said:
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Dont know how your using Opera, but the bookmark manager ive never used in the years ive been using Opera for, and again, layout wise, your still pretty restricted with what you can put where in FF.
 
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BoomAM said:
So why all the hoo-har about memory usage then? As long as it and the system is smooth, it really doesnt matter if it uses 30 or 60mb. Especially with the amount of memory we have nowadays.
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Opera using a quarter of my physical RAM is not conducive to a smooth running system, unless Opera was all I ran.
 
BoomAM said:
So why all the hoo-har about memory usage then? As long as it and the system is smooth, it really doesnt matter if it uses 30 or 60mb. Especially with the amount of memory we have nowadays.


Dont know how your using Opera, but the bookmark manager ive never used in the years ive been using Opera for, and again, layout wise, your still pretty restricted with what you can put where in FF.
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if you see my screenshot you will see there is little restriction where you can put stuff, you can move all the toolbars around and all the icons around whereever you please.
 
dirtydog said:
Opera using a quarter of my physical RAM is not conducive to a smooth running system, unless Opera was all I ran.
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Well i dont know what your systems like, but ive had Opera run upto several hundred Mb and still be smooth.
It doesnt matter what fraction of the ram a program uses, its not an indication of how the system runs im afraid.

mrk said:
if you see my screenshot you will see there is little restriction where you can put stuff, you can move all the toolbars around and all the icons around whereever you please.
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Again, FF's GUI isnt as customisable as Operas. Your still limited by what you can do with it. Can you put the toolbar wherever you want? The tab bar? Favourites bar? The answer is no. Unless you can find a plugin to do it, FF cannot do it.
 
BoomAM said:
Well i dont know what your systems like, but ive had Opera run upto several hundred Mb and still be smooth.
It doesnt matter what fraction of the ram a program uses, its not an indication of how the system runs im afraid.
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I think you missed my point. If Opera used 250meg and I had several other programs open then 1gig soon becomes full and paging begins. Or, previously-loaded apps are pushed out of the disk-cache so when I reload them later, they are slow to load.

Anyway why are we trying to convince each other - we are both using our browser of choice and are both happy :p :D
 
BoomAM said:
So why all the hoo-har about memory usage then? As long as it and the system is smooth, it really doesnt matter if it uses 30 or 60mb (or even 200mb!). Especially with the amount of memory we have nowadays.


Dont know how your using Opera, but the bookmark manager ive never used in the years ive been using Opera for, and again, layout wise, your still pretty restricted with what you can put where in FF.
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There as equal as each other for layout organisation, although Firefox is again easier to do through right click customise and an extension to edit your drop down menus.

Drop down menu editing in Opera requires editing menu.ini etc, which is abit tedious as sometimes the ini files change during new builds.

Firefox's extension interface means it's so much more customisable than Opera could ever be without the same kind of extension module. The thousands of extensions means the browser is customisable at every single level and easy to do. When I tried Opera, I had to search google and follow some user written forum post.

This was a PITA because:
1. It envolved me downloading or editing .ini files.
2. Half the information was for 7x builds when I was trying out 9.01, and hadn't been updated. Forum posts have a tendancy to be buried and lost.

Where as Firefox has a dedicated extension site, which is updated with new builds and not forgotten about.

Basically, it's impossible for Opera to be as customisable as Firefox unless Opera has a extension/add on base which is hiding from Google.
 
dirtydog said:
I think you missed my point. If Opera used 250meg and I had several other programs open then 1gig soon becomes full and paging begins. Or, previously-loaded apps are pushed out of the disk-cache so when I reload them later, they are slow to load.

Anyway why are we trying to convince each other - we are both using our browser of choice and are both happy :p :D
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True. But if its ok for other programs to use that much memory, why cant Opera?
Take my system for example, at the moment i have 3 Opera windows open, each one with 50+ custom shorcuts in it, and almost 80 tabs across the three windows. Its using about 200Mb. iTunes is open, 60Mb. MSN, 40Mb. Outlook, 25Mb. Azureus, 100Mb. And a about 20-30 other processes.
All of that adds up to about 650Mb's of usage on my system. Thats still no-where near a Gb of usage considering whats open. I could even wack open a few large images in Gimp and still not use enough memory to cause the system to start paging. And it'd still be silky smooth.
Thats my point. Lets say the average computer nowadays has 1Gb of ram. Even IF Opera, or any other app, uses 200-250Mb, the remaining 750-800Mb free is more than enough for a multitude of other programs to be open, and still have the system running fine.
As you say, i, like you, am not trying to persuade you from one side to the other, i simply want to discuss the merits of acceptable memory usages with you. :)
 
Mekrel said:
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You dont have to edit *.ini files to do the same sort of customisation. Its as a simple as you claim firefox to be, its right click, customise, drag/drop.
And again, from the off, without plugins, Opera is easyier to customise. But with plugins, they are about as easy as each other, arguably.
 
plug ins is why it's better, it might not have some things "out of the box" but why is this an issue when plugins are free and easy to install/use? they also offer a highly superior functuality over the built in ones in Opera/IE7.

I'm not a FF fanboy, I use all 3 browsers, I'm saying which one is better from a general view in terms of usage and compatibility as well as user community (which is arguably in favour of the firefox browser)
 
mrk said:
plug ins is why it's better, it might not have some things "out of the box" but why is this an issue when plugins are free and easy to install/use? they also offer a highly superior functuality over the built in ones in Opera/IE7.

I'm not a FF fanboy, I use all 3 browsers, I'm saying which one is better from a general view in terms of usage and compatibility as well as user community (which is arguably in favour of the firefox browser)
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Well your free to your opinion of which is best. But i personally find Opera to be the far superior browser for my needs.
 
There are a lot of people out there labouring under the illusion that Firefox was around before Opera, that somehow Opera is the new kid on the block. Well, Opera is actually a very mature piece of software that I've been using for years.

I'm convinced that if people had started out using Opera (like me) and then tried FF they'd stick with Opera. A lot of the folks on here who lambast Opera are doing so because they are simply used to FF. I guess a lot of people stick with what they're used too, and some morph into rabid fanboys....

Incidentally, here is the ultimate Opera fanboy site!
 
So fra as memory useage is concerned, it is certainly true that opera is much better than Firefox 2 but it may not be true for much longer. The alpha of Firefox 3 (code named Grand paradisio) seems to be slightly better than Opera so the discussion of memory may no longer be an issue.

I have only had Opera for a day or so, and I rather like it but the decision is more about the add-ons I can get. I like some of the Firefox add-ons but would hate to be without ad-block. Mind, maybe that can be done in Opera but I haven't seen jhow yet.
 
Ratbag said:
I'm convinced that if people had started out using Opera (like me) and then tried FF they'd stick with Opera.
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I started with opera but moved to Fx because of the lack of extensions and (at the time) instability / minor issues with certain web standards.

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Personally I'm a Firefox fanboy :) Until Spywareblaster is compatible and there's an equiv to adblock plus on Opera Firefox will stay :D I especially love all the extensions and themes for Firefox, My fav theme:
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Meatball said:
Personally I'm a Firefox fanboy :) Until Spywareblaster is compatible and there's an equiv to adblock plus on Opera Firefox will stay :D I especially love all the extensions and themes for Firefox, My fav theme:
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Adblock is built into Opera. Also unlike Firefox there are no unpatched security holes.
 
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