Opera web devs the end is nigh!

Oooh. But then surely integrating Firebug would break that Mozilla rule of a light download that can be beefed up with whatever extensions a user wants?

It isn't a rule as such, just an ideal - the binary size has grown a little with Fx3 as a consequence of Profile Guided Optimization (and some has been cut away with using Cairo, some native stuff, etc.), non-default memory allocator, Places etc.

It would've been as a replacement to the DOM inspector (although AFAIK Firebug can't do anything with Chrome), and it wouldn't be without precedent - SessionStore made its way into the main app...
 
have to admit opera is nice, but it's no where near as good as firefox purely because of the sheer amount of extensions i use daily, i have tried to make opera my default but within minutes was back as far too often i was missing extensions i just can't browse without
 
erm...

main ones i use constantly: adblock plus, cookieculler, customizegoogle, fireftp, form saver, foxmarks, foxytunes, ie tab, image zoom, overclockers menu, web developer, webMail notifier, plus then the others i use regularly
 
:cool: awesome. With this and the integrated mouse gestures, I'm very close to having a go at using Opera fulltime. I'll be interested to see how it matches up to the pairing of Firebug and the Web Developer extension in Firefox - if it's as good I'm [almost] sold.

That said, Opera's market share is still much lower than all the Gecko browsers put together. So I'm not entirely sure it's prudent to use it as a primary development browser when discrepancies, albeit small, still remain between the two engines.
 
Firefox certainly has its problems, but I could never get into Opera. Just didn't like the feel of it really. Firebug is also a great little addon :)
 
erm...

main ones i use constantly: adblock plus, cookieculler, customizegoogle, fireftp, form saver, foxmarks, foxytunes, ie tab, image zoom, overclockers menu, web developer, webMail notifier, plus then the others i use regularly

At at quick guess at the functionality of these extensions heres what Opera can do, correct me if i'm wrong with the extensions :)

Adblock is urlfilter.ini in Opera (fair enough is doesn't update automatically, but it never let me down, and is very lightweight.

Cookieculler i assume deletes dodgy/3rd party cookies etc...? This is all possible with the right settings in Opera i'm sure, but i'm not so anal about cookies personally, like most people.

Customise google can probably be done with either css and UserJS probably, might not be so easy though, script may already be out there for you.

Fireftp no idea what it does.

formsaver i guess fills in forms automatically, opera wand does this and remembers your passwords for you too (very well i must say as well!)

foxmarks i guess is some bookmark thing? i use inbuilt search of del.icio.us for myself, and/or opera link to make bookmarks available anywhere.

foxytunes i have no idea what it does.

ie. tab is a right click menu in opera ok its not built right in, but it opens the page your on in ie right there and then.

Image zoom in a script im using now called autosizer.js, and i also use an image preloader for default apache index root folder location palce thingys....

No idea what the overclockers menu is, i cant see it being that usefull really...

Web Dev is firebug (yes its not right here yet i know)

Webmail notifier i either use Digsby or Gmail notifer, or i could use the built in mail client within opera to connect to gmail via pop/imap just for informing me or using as a full fledged mail client.

that covers those things you didnt know about, theres a fair amount more too, just its late and i cant be bothered typing too much right now :o
 
CookieCuller allows you to protect certain cookies and these won't be deleted when you get Opera to delete cookies.

FireFTP is a simple FTP client for Firefox.

FoxyTunes allows you to control media players such as Winamp, WMP etc from within Firefox and pause/play songs etc.

Overclockers menu is an extension that adds a menu alongside File/Edit/View/Bookmarks/Widgets/Tools/Help and has sub-menu items that represent each forum on OcUK. Clicking on one entry navigates Firefox to that forum page.

Hope this helps. :)
 
I can't see the point in having a load of extensions in a browser. I use adblock+, firebug, greasemonkey, webdev, SEO and one of Aronnax's glorious themes and the browser works just how I want. To me, dragonfly looks just like firebug and, sad as it is, I love Aronnax's themes too much to switch :p

And yes, Alex, I will make an effort to poo on every Opera thread :p
 
Adblock is urlfilter.ini in Opera (fair enough is doesn't update automatically, but it never let me down, and is very lightweight. fair enough though as you say adblock updates so is slightly better

Cookieculler i assume deletes dodgy/3rd party cookies etc...? This is all possible with the right settings in Opera i'm sure, but i'm not so anal about cookies personally, like most people. nope it protects any cookie i set it to so when firefox deletes my cookies these will not be deleted

Customise google can probably be done with either css and UserJS probably, might not be so easy though, script may already be out there for you. customizegoogle doesnt customise the look, when you search it will provide a list of the most searched phrases from what i am typing, so typing ov and it provides a load of things starting with ov, the 5th of so is overclockers, very useful as almost always i only ever have to tyype one quarter of what i want and it is there

Fireftp no idea what it does. file transfer client so i can put my files onto my websites but also keep my settings from one computer to another, unlike if i used something like filezilla when going to another computer i would need to reenter all the sites details

formsaver i guess fills in forms automatically, opera wand does this and remembers your passwords for you too (very well i must say as well!) not sure how opera wand works but if its like all the other form fillers formsaver is better in that i just right click a form and click save, this is then saved as a bookmark and when i am back at that form click that bookmark, making it possible to save any field, not just gues at filling fields like name, email etc

foxmarks i guess is some bookmark thing? i use inbuilt search of del.icio.us for myself, and/or opera link to make bookmarks available anywhere. ok well foxmarks seems easier to me though i dont fully know hnow how what your suggesting works but foxmarks requires me to do nothing

foxytunes i have no idea what it does. lets me control whatever music application i want, well for me it will be winamp, from within my browser

ie. tab is a right click menu in opera ok its not built right in, but it opens the page your on in ie right there and then.

Image zoom in a script im using now called autosizer.js, and i also use an image preloader for default apache index root folder location palce thingys....

No idea what the overclockers menu is, i cant see it being that usefull really... very handy as it is a drop down menu of the forums, so i can easily navigate from one place to the other with one click, one click down drops down, then the click up selects the place

Web Dev is firebug (yes its not right here yet i know) i didnt actually include firebug, i said web developer, they are different things, which again used all the time

Webmail notifier i either use Digsby or Gmail notifer, or i could use the built in mail client within opera to connect to gmail via pop/imap just for informing me or using as a full fledged mail client. can you specify any email address? and an unlimited amount?
 
not sure how opera wand works but if its like all the other form fillers formsaver is better in that i just right click a form and click save, this is then saved as a bookmark and when i am back at that form click that bookmark, making it possible to save any field, not just gues at filling fields like name, email etc

One thing I was most impressed about with Opera was the wand. Certainly sounds less convoluted than what you're currently using, but that's not really enough to change browsers!
 
Hello Sic :p Its ok really, i'm not trying to force it down your throat honest (;)) but when people say extentions make firefox better, the most useful extensions are already part of the way Opera works in most cases...

This is going to get confusing...

Adblock is urlfilter.ini in Opera (fair enough is doesn't update automatically, but it never let me down, and is very lightweight. fair enough though as you say adblock updates so is slightly better ican honestly say i've never neeeded to update more time than i install opera (although i install opera a fair few times :p) but i really have never needed to update the list as they're not exact references, they work off specific rules

Cookieculler i assume deletes dodgy/3rd party cookies etc...? This is all possible with the right settings in Opera i'm sure, but i'm not so anal about cookies personally, like most people. nope it protects any cookie i set it to so when firefox deletes my cookies these will not be deleted

Customise google can probably be done with either css and UserJS probably, might not be so easy though, script may already be out there for you. customizegoogle doesnt customise the look, when you search it will provide a list of the most searched phrases from what i am typing, so typing ov and it provides a load of things starting with ov, the 5th of so is overclockers, very useful as almost always i only ever have to tyype one quarter of what i want and it is there I see, well Operas in built History search works exactly like that in the url or type "h xxx" and you can search for xxx within indexed pages (for when you forget a page url, but remember unique content words, which is VERY helpful).

Fireftp no idea what it does. file transfer client so i can put my files onto my websites but also keep my settings from one computer to another, unlike if i used something like filezilla when going to another computer i would need to reenter all the sites details Surely any other webFTP would do this then, with passwords saved in wand.

formsaver i guess fills in forms automatically, opera wand does this and remembers your passwords for you too (very well i must say as well!) not sure how opera wand works but if its like all the other form fillers formsaver is better in that i just right click a form and click save, this is then saved as a bookmark and when i am back at that form click that bookmark, making it possible to save any field, not just gues at filling fields like name, email etc The passwords are only saved localled (for obvious security reasons) and auto form filling is limited to ab out 20ish "normal" fields, you can't save a form technically, but it you acidentally navigate away as long as Opera uses its cache the form is always filled out as long as it wasn't submitted. Honestly want is on the the most integrated and powerful password savers i've ever used, its know for being pretty damn good too if you search around.

foxmarks i guess is some bookmark thing? i use inbuilt search of del.icio.us for myself, and/or opera link to make bookmarks available anywhere. ok well foxmarks seems easier to me though i dont fully know hnow how what your suggesting works but foxmarks requires me to do nothing Right i've either got normal bookmarks which i can set words, for instances i type "tv" i go to this, and iPlayer i go to this. I can use ctrl 1-9 for speed dial, or i type "d xxxx" and this shows a search of del.icio.us as if i'd used their search (for either my tags or global), or i could set that to stumbleupon which im in the process of moving to... Also if i just type and two words or more with a space in the url that are quick searches (one letter things i've assigned, for me, a, g ,gf, w, gi, guk e, etc...) then i get redirected to a google im feeling lucky page, so i know loads of shortcuts already, "t mobile" etc... Sounds convoluted, but because you have literally a million different methods of getting somewhere you naturally choose the quickest :)

foxytunes i have no idea what it does. lets me control whatever music application i want, well for me it will be winamp, from within my browser
Ah sounds alright, but another a slightly un-needed extension, i for one use media keys and mediamonkey to choose my music for me based on last.fm xml data

ie. tab is a right click menu in opera ok its not built right in, but it opens the page your on in ie right there and then.

Image zoom in a script im using now called autosizer.js, and i also use an image preloader for default apache index root folder location palce thingys....
also i forgot to mention Opera page zoom is the best i've ever used, since opera are in the mobile business too it really shows off in their desktop browser, and zooming on pages is consistent and *everything* zooms (and wraps if you want it to do so) so maxing youtube flash in webpages where you normally can't allow it is a shortcut key away :)

No idea what the overclockers menu is, i cant see it being that usefull really... very handy as it is a drop down menu of the forums, so i can easily navigate from one place to the other with one click, one click down drops down, then the click up selects the place i have ocuk forum page saved as "ocuk" so i navigate back to that by pressing f2 typing ocuk enter, and i'm at navigation, i could set more up but i've never really needed it tbh...

Web Dev is firebug (yes its not right here yet i know) i didnt actually include firebug, i said web developer, they are different things, which again used all the time oh is sounds possibly like the "validate" option then within the opera menu possibly

Webmail notifier i either use Digsby or Gmail notifer, or i could use the built in mail client within opera to connect to gmail via pop/imap just for informing me or using as a full fledged mail client. can you specify any email address? and an unlimited amount? Any email address as long as its pop/imap AFAIK and unlimted definately, its just an email client, its not pretty right now though, its undergoing transformation for Opera 10 (a little down the line) but functionally its actually perfect just to make you aware of emails definately. Personally as i said, i actually use Digsby becuase thats my IM too :)

Bloody hell theres a lot above now!
 
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A few points to ponder..

1) As a web developer, I am glad Opera will have it's equivalent to Firebug.
2) I will not stop using FF+Firebug, because I'll be wanting to ensure the page renders correctly in both browsers anyway.
3) This isn't a "competitive" thing, people. Every browser should have these tools available.
 
I agree, if you see the title, it actually mentioned Opera web dev, because people who stuck with Opera to develop and used there pretty poor excuse for a toolbar will understand this is a big leap forward :p As you say you need all 3/4 browsers installed really anyway to get a good feel of your page...
 
The Customize Google thing sounds more like search suggestions, i.e. what you get when you start typing in the search bar in Fx or here.
Firefox 3 has full page zoom, although Opera 9's version of the AwesomeBar is pretty impressive (searches through most/all of the page content, rather than just the URI/title
and bookmark name/tags).
 
The Customize Google thing sounds more like search suggestions, i.e. what you get when you start typing in the search bar in Fx or here.
yeah that is what it does, so pretty much useable for any browser but it works on igoogle too, which afaik the google suggestions only works at that page?

Hello Sic :p Its ok really, i'm not trying to force it down your throat honest (;)) but when people say extentions make firefox better, the most useful extensions are already part of the way Opera works in most cases...

i know your not forcing it down my throat, glad as you are helping to know what opera does without having to use it :) i will remove any unneeded text below to try and keep post small as possible

I see, well Operas in built History search works exactly like that in the url or type "h xxx" and you can search for xxx within indexed pages (for when you forget a page url, but remember unique content words, which is VERY helpful). still dont think you know exaclty what i mean, read up for example

Surely any other webFTP would do this then, with passwords saved in wand. yeah if wand can save more then one username and password?

The passwords are only saved localled (for obvious security reasons) and auto form filling is limited to ab out 20ish "normal" fields, you can't save a form technically, but it you acidentally navigate away as long as Opera uses its cache the form is always filled out as long as it wasn't submitted. Honestly want is on the the most integrated and powerful password savers i've ever used, its know for being pretty damn good too if you search around.
still form saver for me is a billion times better then what you have suggested, saving any field for any form is really great, when i make a site with a form and testing it out its great as i can save the form and then one lcik and every field is filled out. i still have wand thing for ff as thats slighlty quicker but form saver is better imo

Right i've either got normal bookmarks which i can set words, for instances i type "tv" i go to this, and iPlayer i go to this. I can use ctrl 1-9 for speed dial, or i type "d xxxx" and this shows a search of del.icio.us as if i'd used their search (for either my tags or global), or i could set that to stumbleupon which im in the process of moving to... Also if i just type and two words or more with a space in the url that are quick searches (one letter things i've assigned, for me, a, g ,gf, w, gi, guk e, etc...) then i get redirected to a google im feeling lucky page, so i know loads of shortcuts already, "t mobile" etc... Sounds convoluted, but because you have literally a million different methods of getting somewhere you naturally choose the quickest

but afaik ff bascially does that anyway and this has nothing to do with bookmark saver :)

Ah sounds alright, but another a slightly un-needed extension, i for one use media keys and mediamonkey to choose my music for me based on last.fm xml data

it is "un-needed" but as i said when you asked, its just one i use far too often to go to not using


i have ocuk forum page saved as "ocuk" so i navigate back to that by pressing f2 typing ocuk enter, and i'm at navigation, i could set more up but i've never really needed it tbh...
still ocuk menu is really great, just tiny little thing at top with file, edit, view, etc tabs. very tidy and handy

oh is sounds possibly like the "validate" option then within the opera menu possibly

what does this do? what web dev does is loads its too lnog to list, but useful like being able to edit anyones css on the fly, really great for these parts with people learning html and css and get stuck, i can just look at it, change anything i think it wrong, and done, instead of having to download the code, change it, check it, etc

Any email address as long as its pop/imap AFAIK and unlimted definately, its just an email client, its not pretty right now though, its undergoing transformation for Opera 10 (a little down the line) but functionally its actually perfect just to make you aware of emails definately. Personally as i said, i actually use Digsby becuase thats my IM too :)

ahh sounds good, but no benefits for me over webmail notifier, sits bottom right corner, grey when no emails, yellow with number when emails, rechecks every whatever minutes i set to, and then provides direct links to all the inboxs with email when clicked. again small little tidy thing does exactly what i want

Bloody hell theres a lot above now!
sure is! opera sounds great but tbh there is no reason to switch as firefox does everything atm i want realy great.

have to admit though having problems with ff once again, it some reason wont stop loading up first time on my second screen even when set to first, and then i cant type and apostrophes or slashes (hence why there is none in post above) amongst other things as it begins to do a quick search. anyone know why? asked before but a solution was never found so had to completely do a fresh install and go get all the extensions again.
 
Wand can save more than one username and password. :)

The 'validate' option in the menu passes the current page to the W3C HTML validator tool and tells you if the page uses valid HTML or not. :)
 
Quick summary because once again i can't be arsed :p

Form save sounds more specialised, but more aimed at devs again, good though :)

Wand is aimed at a consumer market, and can save as many alias' as you want, if more than one exists, it asks you which logon you wish to use, and it uses that data.

Mail is overkill for what you need, but if you never load the tab up it does the same as what your doing now, little popups appear showing clips of mail (like gmail notifier) and the opera system tray icon changes so you know too :)

Actually validate may not be the same then i wasn't sure what the dev thing did, there might not be an alternative there, but i'm not totally sure i don't use FF enough to know if i'm honest.

I see customise google is a bit like a specialised google suggest, thats quite a good idea actually, opera doesn't do this at all, AFAIK, although it sounds like a script that could probably be loaded into the UserJS inbuilt in Opera (opera's "greasemonkey").

It is definitely possible to change all the menus in Opera, i just don't know how to do it myself, you can add subtract or move whatever you want via all the ini files, everything is customisable, just a lot is not on the surface to stop people mucking it up not knowing what theyre doing... So the OcUK menu is most like possible to do :)

And finally FF basically works the same way as Opera when it comes to quick search/bookmark saving etc, but opera has the slight edge over FF in this case i suspect, but things have changed with 3 anyways!

Definitely give it a go, you wont be able to jump into it and having it doing what FF does for you in 10 mins, but then think how long you've been using FF gradually adding things until it was perfect, and the amount of re installations you've had to do when you buggered it up :p

Oooh, actually something Opera doesn't have (for some very stupid reason) is native spell checking, but with a simple JS script you can easily add it, its very powerful and uses the gmail dictionary to check over things :)
 
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