Opinion - The 7800xt is not a good value card at it's current price when compared to a 4070

[lovelyhead]

You are able to buy a 7800xt on another site for £515 currently and it's closest competitor, the 4070, is available for £530.

4070 advantages -

DLSS provides better image quality.
GSync module support.
Better Ray tracing performance.
Lower power usage which at current retail prices actually makes the 4070 cheaper in less than a year if you use a few hours a week.
Ray reconstruction improves ray tracing quality and performance.

7800xt advantages -

Slightly better overall performance. Around 5% at 1440p.
16GB vram Vs 12GB on the 4070.

I feel that the 7800xt is overpriced by around £100 versus the 4070. nVidia's features are worth that to me and I will be saving money on electricity. The greater VRAM helps the 7800xt's value proposition somewhat but I think 12GB will be ok for at least a couple more years.

What do you think?

 

[Yulaw]

I agree it's overpriced.

Got mine at launch for 480 and sold the starfield code for £30 to a mate making it £450.

At £450 it's more than worth it but at current prices it's priced to high, can see them dropping In a month or two when the starfield promotion ends.

 

[docsonic]

£450 is probably about right... do we need a new thread for this though?

 

[ICDP]

He’s trying to validate his 4070 purchase. That would also be why the thread title or OP doesn’t include any mention of 4070 being overpriced. If the 7800 XT is overpriced, then so is a 4070.

I think he bought his 4070 prior to the 7800 XT launch, so may have paid closer to £550 - £580 for it. Maybe he’s just salty he ****** 3 years GPU electricity budget up the wall.

Edit: apologies he didn’t buy a 4070 but is implying the 4070 is worth a £100 premium over a 7800 XT.

 

[lovelyhead]

He’s trying to validate his 4070 purchase. That would also be why the thread title or OP doesn’t include any mention of 4070 being overpriced. If the 7800 XT is overpriced, then so is a 4070.

I think he bought his 4070 prior to the 7800 XT launch, so may have paid closer to £550 - £580 for it. Maybe he’s just salty he ****** 3 years GPU electricity budget up the wall.

I don't even own a 4070. I have a 3060ti and am comparing the 4070 to the 7800xt with a view to buy one of them.

Sometimes jumping to conclusions can make you look silly.

I do agree that both are overpriced though. But relative to each other, I think the 7800xt needs to be quite a bit cheaper than the 4070.

 

[Joxeon]

Both are overpriced imo and both should be around £400, when you think a 3060ti beat a 2080 by 10-15% and cost £369 yet these only match or lose to a 3080 and cost £500 it’s a joke really.

 

[ICDP]

I don't even own a 4070. I have a 3060ti and am comparing the 4070 to the 7800xt with a view to buy one of them.

Sometimes jumping to conclusions can make you look silly.

I do agree that both are overpriced though. But relative to each other, I think the 7800xt needs to be quite a bit cheaper than the 4070.

Then change your OP and thread title because it currently implies the 4070 is worth £530. It reeks of someone planning to pay £530 for a 4070 and asking for approval from some random strangers in the internet.

Buy one or don’t because all you and Joxeon seem to do is moan about AMD prices and lack of features because you want your Nvidia GPU cheaper.

 

[lovelyhead]

Then change your OP and thread title because it currently implies the 4070 is worth £530.

Buy one or don’t because all you and Joxeon seem to do is moan about AMD prices and lack of features because you want your Nvidia GPU cheaper.

Why are you so aggressive? You come storming into the thread thinking you know what's what before embarrassing yourself and then continue to double down before admitting you got it wrong.

OK everyone knows all GPU's are overpriced. But relatively the 7800xt is overpriced compared to the 4070. Don't agree? Perhaps let us know why you disagree rather than just attacking people.

 

[Joxeon]

Joxeon seem to do is moan about AMD prices

Nah bro I moan about all the prices, I have no bias when it comes to poor pricing.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

feel that the 7800xt is overpriced by around £100 versus the 4070.

Then change your OP and thread title because it currently implies the 4070 is worth £530. It reeks of someone planning to pay £530 for a 4070 and asking for approval from some random strangers in the internet.

Buy one or don’t because all you and Joxeon seem to do is moan about AMD prices and lack of features because you want your Nvidia GPU cheaper.

Exactly. As an RTX3060TI owner myself he is saying a £515 RTX4070 is fine but a £480 RX7800XT with a copy of Starfield Premium is £100 overpriced so needs to be £415 with Starfield. The game sells for around £35~£40 on the Members Market.

So that means essentially he thinks the RX7800XT is only worth £380. But the RTX4070 is worth £515.

Then just as FSR3 comes out, says one of the reasons it's worth £530 is because of DLSS. He also admitted trolling in the Starfield thread to get a rise out of people and a mod pointed it out:

***The Official Starfield Thread*** (As endorsed by TNA)

In a way the scope of this game is too big, to actually put it off you need about 1000 voice actors playing different roles and more missions for every planet and a way to find a person in the universe.

forums.overclockers.co.uk

Nah bro I moan about all the prices, I have no bias when it comes to poor pricing.

But in his case he says the RTX4070 is worth £515. But he wants the RX7800XT to £415 plus a copy of a game you can sell. So he wants the AMD card to be well under £400 and the Nvidia card is fine at well over £500. Sounds almost like Apple level logic there.

 

[Hotwired]

It's not a complex maths problem that needs a group effort to solve.

A 4070 is a slower card with less VRAM that costs more and it is a personal decision if the value added features make up for it being priced higher.

Anything anyone says can be completed countered by someone saying they "feel" otherwise or value "this" more.

 

[K1LaW8tt5]

@lovelyhead you already gave us your opinion in the thread title.

A simple "7800xt Vs RTX 4070 at current pricing" might have been a better fit if you actually want any discussion on it.

 

[lovelyhead]

Exactly. As an RTX3060TI he is saying a £515 RTX4070 is fine but a £480 RX7800XT with a copy of Starfield Premium is £100 overpriced so needs to be £415 with Starfield. Then just as FSR3 comes out, says one of the reasons it's worth £530 is because of DLSS. He is also admitted trolling in the Starfield thread to get a rise out of people.

I have already said a couple of times now that all GPU's are overpriced but that relatively the 7800xt is bad value compared to the 4070.

FSR 3 is good yes. But DLSS still gives a superior quality image. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. The 7800xt costs more to run. Again a fact.

Starfield does provide some value (not to me) but that reduces day by day and is a hassle to have to sell.

I would definitely buy a £415 7800xt over a 4070 at £515. They could even keep Starfield. Realistically I think a 7800xt needs to be about 20% cheaper than a 4070 to make it appealing to me due to it's lesser features.

 

[ICDP]

I embarrassed myself, yeah sure whatever. You started a thread saying the 7800 XT is £100 overpriced in comparison to a 4070. You then liked a post saying the 7800 XT is worth £450. So anyone who can do basic mathematics can work out you think the 4070 is worth £550.

So what is it, is the 7800 XT worth £450 and the 4070 is worth a £100 premium? Or is the 4070 overpriced as well? It can’t be both.

It’s called logic and you clearly lack critical thinking skills.

 

[ICDP]

I have already said a couple of times now that all GPU's are overpriced but that relatively the 7800xt is bad value compared to the 4070.

FSR 3 is good yes. But DLSS still gives a superior quality image. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. The 7800xt costs more to run. Again a fact.

Starfield does provide some value (not to me) but that reduces day by day and is a hassle to have to sell.

I would definitely buy a £415 7800xt over a 4070 at £515. They could even keep Starfield. Realistically I think a 7800xt needs to be about 20% cheaper than a 4070 to make it appealing to me due to it's lesser features.

Then by that logic the 4070 is worth it to you at its current price, go buy one and be happy. The problem is you have also stated the 4070 is currently overpriced, so you are contradicting yourself repeatedly. Usually within the space of one or two posts.

 

[RavenXXX2]

100% agree with op, rtx feature set is a sale winner.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

You are able to buy a 7800xt on another site for £515 currently and it's closest competitor, the 4070, is available for £530.

I feel that the 7800xt is overpriced by around £100 versus the 4070.

I have already said a couple of times now that all GPU's are overpriced but that relatively the 7800xt is bad value compared to the 4070.

FSR 3 is good yes. But DLSS still gives a superior quality image. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. The 7800xt costs more to run. Again a fact.

Starfield does provide some value (not to me) but that reduces day by day and is a hassle to have to sell.

I would definitely buy a £415 7800xt over a 4070 at £515. They could even keep Starfield. Realistically I think a 7800xt needs to be about 20% cheaper than a 4070 to make it appealing to me due to it's lesser features.

You literally said the RTX4070 is fine at £530. Then state the RX7800XT would need to be £100 cheaper including the copy of Starfield. So that means it needs to be essentially over £130 cheaper. It takes only a minute or two to sell the copy. They are BOTH overpriced at over £500. They are BOTH sub £500 cards IMHO. They can BOTH stay on the shelf at over £500.

So basically you are saying the RX7800XT needs to be essentially under £400 but the RTX4070 is OK at over £500. You have basically defended the RTX4070 pricing.

Also the stuff about running costs:

Undervolted AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT with 200W power limit matches average performance of GeForce RTX 4070 - VideoCardz.com

Gigabyte RX 7800 XT Gaming OC uses 40% more power at stock while only being 9% faster than 200W undervolted card Gigabyte RX 7800 XT Gaming OC, Source: Techtesters The Radeon RX 7800 XT earned favorable reviews and gamer acclaim following its release two weeks ago. It poses a competitive...

videocardz.com

Same power as an RTX4070 but most of these calculations are based on people gaming 365 days of the year. But most people are not playing games everyday for 365 days a year anyway,especially during Spring and Summer.

I don't know a single person who does so,and I find it weird that when RDNA2 was generally more efficient(RX6600 and RX6800) over Ampere nobody cared about running costs either(and energy prices went up from late 2021). Only from April 2023.

Otherwise everyone would have gotten an RX6600 non-XT over an RTX3060(2/3 of the power consumption at around 60W less for almost the same performance) but in reality most gamers don't seem to actually care. It happened during the Fermi time,when an HD5850 used less power than a slower GTX460 and more people bought the latter.

 

[Kirby Wurm]

At current pricing the 7800 XT is a bit too much, when it was under £500 at launch it was okay when compared to the 4070. One has increased while the other decreased so the relative value proposition of the former has become worse.

I say relative because as with all cards of this generation they are too much, but that doesn't help anyone looking for a card right now.

 

[ICDP]

At current pricing the 7800 XT is a bit too much, when it was under £500 at launch it was okay when compared to the 4070. One has increased while the other decreased so the relative value proposition of the former has become worse.

I say relative because as with all cards of this generation they are too much, but that doesn't help anyone looking for a card right now.

Yep and the excuse of the exchange rates getting worse only goes so far. Because that would mean the 4070 should also have went up in price, but it didn’t.

If I were forced at gun point to buy a £530ish GPU I would buy the 4070 but purely on a best of a bad bunch mentality. I got my 7900 XT a few months back for £635 after the cost of Starfield premium was factored in (I was ready to pay £65 for it).

 

[jimferno]

Taking in to consideration nothing but price and performance there isn't a single current gen card which presents value at their current price points.

At the same price the 7800XT versus 4070 is a real pick 'em and it's not a bad situation to be in. Healthy competition should lead to lower prices which is good for everyone.