Opinion time please!

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Selling the Boxster and toying with a few ideas. Don't need anything right now as I have another car and so does my partner, both of which fulfil general duties so there's no urgency.

Have a major v8 itch at the minute so the main contenders there are an AMG merc of some sort or SL500, m5, mustang or f-type.
Less interested in a convertible this time around though. Anything I'm missing off this list that I should consider?

I'm not interested really in buying new prefer a few years old but typically still within warranty period.

If I was to buy in a couple of months I would probably go up to 60k. There's no urgency though so could wait longer and potentially spend more for something more special however the only cars above this that interest me really are cayman gt4s and maybe the new m3.

Fire some ideas at me please!
 
Trying to find a local LC500 isn't easy!
Driving a mustang this weekend.
Waiting for jaguar to get back to me about a v8 as they only have v6s nearby.
Seeing if I can get in to a cayman gts too.
 
I would say basically everything in this price point with a V8 is more of a muscle / gt car anyway. Anything 'sportier' with a V8 is mid engined and either hundreds of thousands or 20 years old. A 991.1 Carrera S/4S is worth a go aswell, the engine is glorious and feels a lot faster than a Cayman GTS. You could try an R8 V8 but imo they feel slow nowadays.

This is going to be very controversial but I can't stand the 911 looks. The rear profile just looks horrible to me!
 
I talked myself out of getting a gen 1 R8 V10 recently. I'd watched a YT video of a McLaren MP4/5 and suddenly felt the urge to have 10 cylinders sitting behind me :D If I was optimistic and enthusiastic about my career then I probably would've taken the plunge, but at the moment I have to talk myself out of sacking off my job every day which makes a car upgrade a bad idea...
The only thing that really bothers me about them is the fake tailpipes (a pet hate of mine). It would be my only car so not the most practical either, but I could probably work around that in a coupe given that I only really need it for myself.
I don't really have any good advice to give though. The Mustangs have never really done it for me :p

Opinions are always welcome! I'm borderline on the Mustangs myself but want to give them another chance. Budget at the minute is a funny one as I'm hoping prices should drop in 6 months to a year so may end up with more for my money, don't really want to spend more.
 
So, test drove a couple of Mustangs, manual and automatic. Fun. Very fun. Love the look of the car but the build quality just isn't there. One of them was a 70 plate and the number of creaks and groans from the rear was a deal breaker for me.

SL500 - holy crap! Lovely interior but that engine is outstanding. Not really after a convertible but it's a hard-top so may just be acceptable. Also fits in my garage which is handy. Did I mention that engine? Wow!

Jag - never got to drive an F-Type. Sales people just were not interested in helping me. Very disappointing and walked away rather angry after about 20mins of being ignored (Jaguar North Tyneside).

BMW - Same experience as Jaguar. Wanted to try and M5 and compare to an M340i/440i/850i. Nothing. As I walked away the receptionist came out to apologise to me, clearly she wasn't impressed either.

But the engine on that SL500!!!
 
is it me or is it not better to phone ahead and book a time if you're going in to look at something specific? Allow them to get the correct car ready etc

And yet 3 out of 5 garages had no problems at all. I don't think getting hold of a set of keys for a car is a particularly strenuous thing? Nor is salesmen tearing themselves away from their private conversations.
 
I agree. It's always amusing to watch people on the internet complaining nobody ran over to welcome them the second they decided to turn up unannounced to test drive every 600bhp car the dealer had in stock.

If you call ahead it makes all the difference and seems quite a reasonable thing to do.

Weird...nobody seems to be complaining about that :confused:

I mean the jaguar garage literally has 7 f-types parked in a row fully prepped.
 
And yet you were able to drive none of them so clearly your chosen approach is not the best one is it?

Unfortunately literally grabbing hold of one of the sales individuals tends to be classed as assault. They were aware I was there and interested in a car. So I'd argue their approach wasn't the best one.

Interestingly the very helpful gentleman at Mercedes was a former Jaguar employee who knew all too well the issue I was facing.

Additionally you're going on like you've never encountered poor customer service :cry:
 
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I had exactly the same experience at my local JLR dealer. Was looking to buy my new car, went along and made myself known at the front desk as required for covid regulations. Then waited. And waited. And waited. Walked around the one way system looking at the cars from all angles on the outside without being able to look inside because they were taped shut.

In the meantime the sales people were sitting at their desks and didn't even loo at me.

Eventually I left and bought my car at another dealer. The telephone call that came later asking how my visit went was not very complimentary. The woman doing the questioning said that she had heard many of the same experiences from other potential customer. Muppets.

Weird. Fox seems to believe the problem is us!
 
I don't dispute the existence of poor customer service in the motor trade. On the contrary, its everywhere. Good customer service is the exception, not the rule. But that said, you're buying a car and it's just a transaction. A salesman has never enhanced the process for me - they are an obstacle between me and the car I want at the price I want to pay. I'm certainly not going to base any of my car choices based on the initial interaction with the sales staff. Who cares? They won't after they've sold it to you anyway!

Unless you're factory ordering a new car (In which case you're probably going to use a broker/carwow/whatever anyway) then your choice of dealer especially when looking at most specialist cars will be dictated not by who rushed over with a biscuit and a cup of tea fastest but who actually has the spec you want in stock anyway. So these stories of walking out purely on the basis of the sales staff ignoring you and buying somewhere else? Unless these people wanted a Generic Crossover 1.6 with Black Wheels and lived within 10 miles of 3 different insert-mainstream-manufacturer-here dealers how often do they happen really?

The internet is full of these stories - usually the same theme, walked into a dealer, expected a red carpet, didn't get it, ran out to another dealer instead. Bonus points for anecdotes where the poster or someone they knew was wearing old jeans and a hoody and later paid cash for a Ferrari.

I've been ignored in showrooms - I've simply asked again for assistance until such time as I received it. I'm not looking for a new friend, I just want to buy or look at a car. Generally I telephone in advance anyway - I'd imagine that part of the problem is that most salesmen quickly learn the conversion rate from walk-in to sale is very low, especially when you get the usual test pilots who need a good drive of the auto and the manual version of the entire Evo Car of the Year shortlist to make their decision -then buy something else anyway. Very few people buying expensive cars will do so after randomly showing up unannounced expecting to be given free and unlimited access to the demonstrator fleet and the attitude you're getting from dealers reflects this reality I'd suggest.

Much of this comes from the salesman/commission business model where a salesman is judged and earns purely on the basis of what they sell with no real eye for future brand loyalty. Were they salaried with no bonus for selling car you'd probably get a different experience as the incentive to profile is gone, but we're not there and you have to work with what you have, don't you?

I'd question the value of test drives in the car buying process anyway. For me, I find they are often counter productive. You never get enough time to really get to know a car and are instead left with often false initial impressions. I've bought the wrong car off the back of test drives and I've also seen the 'wow this car is great' feeling gradually move to 'If I never drive this car again I won't care' over the period of, say, a weeks rental. These things take time, a test drive only ever offers a taste.

The advantage of a test drive is it can immediately eliminate a car. As is the case for me a pre-2019 mustang is now completely off the list.

Nobody has asked for 'free and unlimited access'. What we have asked for is a sales rep to discuss a potential sale. Seeing as that's their job its expected they do it. As both of us have pointed out the order of the day is that you put the request in with with receptionist. I could visibly see and hear that some of the reps were just stood about having personal conversations the whole time.

Also as it happens I was in jeans and a hoody :cry:
 
@Gibbo thanks for the opinions. One thing that does appeal to me about the mustang is the customisation/performance options. Spent a fair bit of time browsing what Steeda have to offer and it looks pretty good.
The emira is on the list but feel it's too close to the boxster with engine layout etc.
Had briefly looked at a 430 some time back and actually...they do seem an interesting prospect! Only downside is they'd be older than I'd like.
 
I think you really, really have to want a 430 for them to make sense. They feel ancient compared to something like an F type and the ones we used to run at my old job were incredibly unreliable. I can kind of see the appeal of an impeccably maintained manual one especially if you’re only going to use it on special occasions, but if I was looking for that type of car it would be very far down my list.

Pretty much my thoughts on it actually. I had a brief scan but never really added them to the list.
 
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