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nah there is no supply cap in any C&C games except on consoles. hmm should be interesting.
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nah there is no supply cap in any C&C games except on consoles. hmm should be interesting.
Yea I know I played Generals and Tiberian Sun for ages.
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Your comment is stupid (no offence). I didn't say that I do better because I don't do the same as everyone else, just that that's what I like doing. I'd rather be in diamond experimenting and trying new strats, than in master just copying builds from the internet. Also, obviously there are dozens of different strategies, all of which can work perfectly well if you do them right. This is evidenced by the likes of TLO who always manages to find some way to innovate. I don't like doing the #1 common build, but that doesn't mean I have to do some obscure one that only I will ever try (eg 1 base ultra lol). My siege expand build is not at all unusual, loads of people do it, but still a small minority compared to the number that reactor hellion expand.
Low league? I'm diamond so I'm in the top 20% of players, since when is that low? If I invest 600 minerals in hellions (very early in the game), I expect to roast a few drones or lings otherwise it's not worth it. Denying creep spread and taking map control is very nice, but this can be done without doing a reactor hellion build. I like to get a few hellions after I've got a modest marine & tank ball, so I can send them out ahead to warn me if I need to siege my tanks up, clear lings from the watchtowers etc
Uh.. SC2 has a supply cap. C&C does not. I agree that SC2 is a deeper game, and it requires more commitment and a more "serious" approach. C&C is great for dipping into casually. Most players on that don't know build orders and don't worry about maximising mining efficiency, or what their APM is, they're just there to build some units and go blow some stuff up. SC2 is more like chess. You have to learn what strategies are good, and how to respond in certain situations, before you can hope to do well. Personally I love both series of games
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The 2 rax expo in TvP is insanely good. If the toss 1 rax expands, you can win the game straight away just by continually poking in at the front and army trading, while quickly getting some medivacs. Just drop between his main and natural and his army can't respond fast enough. If the toss 1 bases, then you'll be ahead in eco after his push fails and will likely win as a result.
TvT is my worst matchup at the moment. I just can't figure out a "safe" strategy which is adaptable and not just the crappy marine tank composition that everyone uses. Until I have a strategy decided, I can't nail down a build order to get me to it, hence I'm kinda lost. Right now, I'm just going marine tanks, then adding battlecruisers when I can. This works alright but I feel that the matchup is such a coin toss. It's balanced on a knife edge and if you unsiege some tanks, or forget to put your marines on hold position just for a second it can lose you the game straight away.
Banshee expand sounds cool, but as Kamwah said it's kinda gimmicky. If it fails hard then you've pretty much lost the game. Also you need to be able to multitask well, otherwise microing the banshees will do as much damage to your economy as it does to the enemy's
The 2 rax expo in TvP is insanely good. If the toss 1 rax expands, you can win the game straight away just by continually poking in at the front and army trading, while quickly getting some medivacs. Just drop between his main and natural and his army can't respond fast enough. If the toss 1 bases, then you'll be ahead in eco after his push fails and will likely win as a result.
TvT is my worst matchup at the moment. I just can't figure out a "safe" strategy which is adaptable and not just the crappy marine tank composition that everyone uses. Until I have a strategy decided, I can't nail down a build order to get me to it, hence I'm kinda lost. Right now, I'm just going marine tanks, then adding battlecruisers when I can. This works alright but I feel that the matchup is such a coin toss. It's balanced on a knife edge and if you unsiege some tanks, or forget to put your marines on hold position just for a second it can lose you the game straight away.
I might go back to my 3rax stim for TvT then, or maybe roll some Ghost rushes for the lulz.
2 rax expand is nice for tvp on smaller maps, 1 rax expand is my preference as the map gets a lot bigger. It has a nice stim+medivac timing that comes naturally with it, which you can use for scouting and a potential attack to punish a very greedy player. With a bit of decent control and appropriate response you should be safe and geared up for a decent macro game. Some terrans just straight up 2 rax as standard though (i believe frankmcg does with great success).
Your comment is stupid (no offence). I didn't say that I do better because I don't do the same as everyone else, just that that's what I like doing. I'd rather be in diamond experimenting and trying new strats, than in master just copying builds from the internet. Also, obviously there are dozens of different strategies, all of which can work perfectly well if you do them right. This is evidenced by the likes of TLO who always manages to find some way to innovate. I don't like doing the #1 common build, but that doesn't mean I have to do some obscure one that only I will ever try (eg 1 base ultra lol). My siege expand build is not at all unusual, loads of people do it, but still a small minority compared to the number that reactor hellion expand.
Low league? I'm diamond so I'm in the top 20% of players, since when is that low? If I invest 600 minerals in hellions (very early in the game), I expect to roast a few drones or lings otherwise it's not worth it. Denying creep spread and taking map control is very nice, but this can be done without doing a reactor hellion build. I like to get a few hellions after I've got a modest marine & tank ball, so I can send them out ahead to warn me if I need to siege my tanks up, clear lings from the watchtowers etc
Uh.. SC2 has a supply cap. C&C does not. I agree that SC2 is a deeper game, and it requires more commitment and a more "serious" approach. C&C is great for dipping into casually. Most players on that don't know build orders and don't worry about maximising mining efficiency, or what their APM is, they're just there to build some units and go blow some stuff up. SC2 is more like chess. You have to learn what strategies are good, and how to respond in certain situations, before you can hope to do well. Personally I love both series of games
I wasn't aware of what league you're in but either way if you ignore the current metagame then good for you
You cannot take map control from Zerg before roaches/mutas without hellions. With them you can go up to 3 bases depending on your skill. I'm not going to argue with a lower leagued player so feel free to do whatever you wish.
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I wasn't aware of what league you're in but either way if you ignore the current metagame then good for you
OK. So you are saying that there is one and ONLY one build order that a Terran player should do in TvZ. If I do anything other than that, I am "ignoring the current metagame"....
...right.
If you'd actually read my post you would see that I do get hellions, just after I get a few tanks and a CC started.
Obvious troll is obvious.
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OK. So you are saying that there is one and ONLY one build order that a Terran player should do in TvZ. If I do anything other than that, I am "ignoring the current metagame"....
...right.
If you'd actually read my post you would see that I do get hellions, just after I get a few tanks and a CC started.
Obvious troll is obvious.
I never said you shouldn't do any other build. Don't put words in my mouth. I'm not even saying your build is bad, I'm just saying reactor'd hellion is the most effective.
Not a troll, just the truth. I'm used to hearing starcraft "hipsters" on the Teamliquid.net forums who just love to do their own thing whether it's bad or not
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Lol. Mate, no-one gives two ****s what league you are in. Stop being elitist, if you were good you would be wining tournaments and not trolling forums.
I never said you shouldn't do any other build. Don't put words in my mouth. I'm not even saying your build is bad, I'm just saying reactor'd hellion is the most effective.
Not a troll, just the truth. I'm used to hearing starcraft "hipsters" on the Teamliquid.net forums who just love to do their own thing whether it's bad or not
Probably should just be aware that that's not really how it came across in your earlier posts.
And this never helps anyone's case, as nex20 said
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tbh if the way you play it works then why change it. Its when your style doesn't actually work then that's when you are playing wrong and need to adapt your style
Dude, stop ignoring the current metagame!
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I lol'ed at this
I'm in the same situation and I get the same feeling. I guess when we were worse we didn't even realise half of the mistakes we were making. At least now we are, even though we may not find it easy to address them all.
I never said you shouldn't do any other build. Don't put words in my mouth. I'm not even saying your build is bad, I'm just saying reactor'd hellion is the most effective.
Not a troll, just the truth. I'm used to hearing starcraft "hipsters" on the Teamliquid.net forums who just love to do their own thing whether it's bad or not
Well, you have been consistently elitist and belittling regarding league which has made you come across as a complete douchebag. If you don't want to be accused of trolling then don't act like a troll. Also you said I ignore the metagame just because I don't like doing the #1 most popular build. You do realise that the metagame only changes because people use abnormal strategies which the other races aren't using to coming up against?
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lol.
I'm just laughing at you because you act like a SC2 Hipster and I find it hilarious you don't do a great build that forces the Zerg to not play how he wants to unless he's going all-in.
I agree with sheep, and @ "I'm just saying reactor'd hellion is the most effective." Maybe in some games, but its not always the most effective. I find banshee into marine tank better in 70% of my games, helions are good but get shut down instantly most of the time, where as banshee usually get like around 6 > 9 kills and force spores + evo.
Hellions used properly can't be shutdown. You don't throw them in there to die, that's a gamble you don't take. You'll force him to make lings and that's damage enough.
Reactor'd hellion is also able to easily transition to banshee.