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From the stats it looks like terran are a little weakened against zerg but pretty balanced against toss ?
and pvz is very well balanced

Nice to see protoss doing well after seeing old win rates that were rather low for toss at times
 
Got writing this to test out my new net book so I thought I would post it.
Just a very broad overview of some styles I have been playing with atm

Would love to see what style's you guys have been using
Current builds ( basic overlay)


zerg stlye
(style in progress)

Against zerg forge expand
and then you will do a two base all in or timing attack or take a fast third and try to keep up with the marco of the zerg ,which is not an easy thing to do. If you choose to marco then you need to harras the zerg so that they cant just shoot up to about 75 drones an just destroy you.

For timing attacks 8 gate all ins can be very strong. These are aided by going for a fast plus one and blink
another option is some form of colossus timing attack

Other type of buids could be stargate expands that seem to be getting more popular
or an older style such as a dt expand


Protoss
for pvp
two or three gate robo
make sure you have sentries to block a four gate , keep scouting to see I they are expanding. Get an observer first out of your robo if you dont see them moving out before you get an immortal.
From there take your expansion and get a robo bay and make sure you are chrono'ing out collosus for the entire game and dumping any extra you dont have into upgrades.


Keep making workers the entire time and take a thrid when its safe to do so. When this is done get a second robo bay to double pump collosus, you should also have a double forge once you set set on two base and then you can get a good lead in the upgrade front most of the time.
late game get dts or ht to make into archons , if you get dt's then its important to harras with them as well to justify the extra cost

Getting a forth once you start getting maxed is important to give you a good bank to re-max with stuff like archons rather than stalkers
Working towards a mother ship late game is also important as a good vortex can change the game , make sure you have an observer or two with your army as your oppenent might have a mothership and your in trouble if they do and you dont have a mother ship






Terran

one gate expand or use an expand after zealot stalker pressure
you should chrono probes hard for most of this put two chrono's into warpgate reasearch, more if you feel he might do some earlyier pressure but otherwise just use them on probes to get a big lead in workers
get a fast twilight council and then a templar archive straight after it and get storm chrono'd out

This way strom should arrive just before the terran makes their first push and you should have enough to hold it off.

You hould also get a robo early on to get an observer to scout what the terran is up to and get a forge at the same time to start getting the upgrade train rolling , getting armour first agaisnt terran can be useful if the go for a marine heavy early style due to their fast fire rate, couple this plus one armour with gardian sheild and it can reduce te incoming damage enough to let you hold tough situations

. It will then let you mix in some colossus to your army to get more aoe.

adding a second forge is also a good idea to keep up/ahead of your oppenent

kepping your templar on a different hotkey from your main army can make a huge difference , as the teplar will clump up right in the middle of the army and are a huge emp target. Then at lower levels you can A-move your main army at him and hit the storms that will do the most damage then either combine the templar into archons or retreat them to let them build up energy.
If you can then micro your colossas back to stop them dying to any vikings that are out then that will be very helpfull.

Continue to keep up the expanding when needed and add loads of gates once you get late game then you can reinforce very quickly.

TLDR
zerg fast expand and early aggression
Protoss hold off 4 gate then expand lots of colossus
Terran get fast storm while expanding then get colossus
 
Heh I've been doing exactly all of the above in my matchups lately and been having good success with them. Losing games is down to my error. I put 2 cannons behind the zerg's third to slow his eco down and it made us neck and neck and allowed me the win. If I didn't do this I'd have no chance, or have to pull of some serious eco harass(wtf with queen count lately??). Lot of forcefields vs the insane roach count is also been vital for me. I've also been going for quick 3 immortals to 1 shot roaches with the high sentry count.

I did that quick storm research vs a marching terran and he held back his attack until his armoury was flying overhead in his attack and caused my army to quickly melt as most of my stalkers were attacking it. hts worked a treat, just my micro failed against a MMM ball under a floating armoury :(

I'm finding with good use of obs in a macro battle to max vs toss to keep a good read and what they're doing means I don't need to harass, so just keep on top of my upgrades and generally go 3 base mass coloss/archon into moship. If i'm ready for attack i'll strike his third and then quickly mass recall into his main with a vortex into his main ramp as he comes to me then pour my achons into it. Demolished a high diamond toss in my last game doing this.

By the way if anybody wants to make a 3v3 team I'd be more than up for it.
 
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HankScorpio said:
Heh I've been doing exactly all of the above in my matchups lately and been having good success with them. Losing games is down to my error. I put 2 cannons behind the zerg's third to slow his eco down and it made us neck and neck and allowed me the win. If I didn't do this I'd have no chance, or have to pull of some serious eco harass(wtf with queen count lately??). Lot of forcefields vs the insane roach count is also been vital for me. I've also been going for quick 3 immortals to 1 shot roaches with the high sentry count.

I did that quick storm research vs a marching terran and he held back his attack until his armoury was flying overhead in his attack and caused my army to quickly melt as most of my stalkers were attacking it. hts worked a treat, just my micro failed against a MMM ball under a floating armoury :(

I'm finding with good use of obs in a macro battle to max vs toss to keep a good read and what they're doing means I don't need to harass, so just keep on top of my upgrades and generally go 3 base mass coloss/archon into moship. If i'm ready for attack i'll strike his third and then quickly mass recall into his main with a vortex into his main ramp as he comes to me then pour my achons into it. Demolished a high diamond toss in my last game doing this.

By the way if anybody wants to make a 3v3 team I'd be more than up for it.
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The floating factory really does **** with Stalkers AI which is always fun XD

Be wary of fast storm as it can leave you weak against timing attacks until Storm is done and your army supply catches up. I much prefer the 1 Collosi fake into HTs as Vikings are useless on the ground.


RiseAgainst said:
From the stats it looks like terran are a little weakened against zerg but pretty balanced against toss ?
and pvz is very well balanced

Nice to see protoss doing well after seeing old win rates that were rather low for toss at times
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I think they're being pushed up by a few select Toss IMO XD MC, Seed, Creator, Puzzle, Naniwa etc

I like it how the TvZ winrate falls 2% if you take out Taeja and Gumiho's stats haha.
 
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Alex74 said:
Triple GM random if you must know, dont spread it around though ;)

Not seen you on in ages, how's life been treating you? :)
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I'll start with starcraft again when heart of the swarm is released I think, should give me a somewhat level playing field while getting back into the game.

I'm only playing dota at the moment, it takes less dedication to be good - It's actually possible to improve quickly if you just play a couple of games a day.

Does anyone else from oIC still play?
 
RobHu said:
I'll start with starcraft again when heart of the swarm is released I think, should give me a somewhat level playing field while getting back into the game.

I'm only playing dota at the moment, it takes less dedication to be good - It's actually possible to improve quickly if you just play a couple of games a day.

Does anyone else from oIC still play?
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You should start now. It's a fact that Micro/Macro muscles atrophy after a few days XD
 
Yep, I was getting roflstomped a few days ago when returning to 1v1 ladder now I'm back in the swing of it with a winning streak vs higher league opposition the anxiety has kicked in, really don't want to get on a losing streak again :(

2s or 3s anyone?
 
RobHu said:
I'll start with starcraft again when heart of the swarm is released I think, should give me a somewhat level playing field while getting back into the game.

I'm only playing dota at the moment, it takes less dedication to be good - It's actually possible to improve quickly if you just play a couple of games a day.

Does anyone else from oIC still play?
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Ah i never really got into dota. I think maybe it was more the other people on my team didnt get on with me since i was terrible. I got on far better with the SC2 community, since they're a bit more forgiving. :D

I'm feeling the same way tbh, will try to take it seriously again once HotS is out, but until then just messing around with friends.

Yea Iron, Donblast and Mushroom are still around I think, not heard from Cigo in weeks though now. Gotta see if I can catch him on skype one of these days..
 
Alex74 said:
oh dear :(. Well I'll try to catch you next time round again. Maybe once hots is out :D



Well at the very least you can always empathise :D
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Yea I know how he feels. Not a day goes by that I wish i'd never bought this game and got sucked in XD

Especially with TvT atm. I wanna punch someone in the jugular -_-
 
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SheepBeast said:
Hellz yeah, can't play for a week or so but I'll be up for it then. I'm Beelzebro, I've set to autojoin OcUK chat channel so message me if you ever see me on :)
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Same love team games for messing around. I normally off race with zerg and just try to do stephano style roach max ( dont get it till about 15 mins though :L rather than his 12 ) but I still have fun :D
 
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