**** Original Starcraft 2 Thread ****

ChilledLJ said:
If you are going late late game then get a ton of Thors, toss have no answer for mass Thor
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Don't listen to this, he obviously has no idea.


Immortals are anti-armor units which wreck through Thors.
Feedback takes upto 200 health away instantly.
Zealots counter Thors effectively due to the large surface area.
Stalkers trade cost efficiently with +damage to Armor.


Even the most common TvP Mech build atm doesn't involve Thors at all. It's just Tanks,Hellions,Vikings and I've only ever seen it follow a specific opener and it has to do damage.
 
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Kamwah said:
Don't listen to this, he obviously has no idea.


Immortals are anti-armor units which wreck through Thors.
Feedback takes upto 200 health away instantly.
Zealots counter Thors effectively due to the large surface area.
Stalkers trade cost efficiently with +damage to Armor.


Even the most common TvP Mech build atm doesn't involve Thors at all. It's just Tanks,Hellions,Vikings and I've only ever seen it follow a specific opener and it has to do damage.
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As above. A terran went thor in a late 3 vs 3 game. By this point I had secured two gold expansions, pumping out lev 3 Immortals and DT wasted his army of 10 thors in very short time. A vast army of blink stalkers then wasted his team mates battle cruisers

In all was a very good 3 vs 3. A I am in platinum (4 wins?!) was playing with/against high gold players
 
Kamwah said:
Because it's not a horrible game. It has it's flaws but most of the imbalance is that they expect you to be able to play much better than a casual player can.
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Dont know what everyone is moaning about with the new patch to be honest. Once I manually downloaded the migration update, its all ran fine.

I dont really take notice of the changes but arcade mode and chat seems like nice features, though I have not used them yet

People who moan they dont like the game usually moan because they always lose
 
Guest2 said:
Dont know what everyone is moaning about with the new patch to be honest. Once I manually downloaded the migration update, its all ran fine.

I dont really take notice of the changes but arcade mode and chat seems like nice features, though I have not used them yet

People who moan they dont like the game usually moan because they always lose
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Quite. Unless you are in the upper echelons of the game then you are losing because you aren't as good as the person you are playing against :p
 
Alex74 said:
Haha because you're a masochist. You gonna be online tonight/tomorrow? Would be good to play some customs/catch up :)


Also,



+1 :eek:
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XD

Most of the problem is that Terran is balanced around players like Flash,MVP,MKP where micro can turn around nearly any behind situation.

Then Zerg/Protoss isn't balanced around players like MC, DRG, Stephano, Symbol, Creator who can actually micro unlike a lot of other pros.
 
Guest2 said:
Dont know what everyone is moaning about with the new patch to be honest. Once I manually downloaded the migration update, its all ran fine.

I dont really take notice of the changes but arcade mode and chat seems like nice features, though I have not used them yet

People who moan they dont like the game usually moan because they always lose
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Just because it runs fine for you doesn't mean it runs fine for everyone. Go look in the battle net tech support forum, then maybe you'll see why people are moaning.

ChilledLJ said:
If you are going late late game then get a ton of Thors, toss have no answer for mass Thor
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Thors are useless vs toss. HT take away their energy and a chunk of health and then immortals rip them to shreds. Even chargelots do ok. Same with carriers.

Or you know, they could straight up kill you before you can get more than a handful of thors because you'll be extremely vulnerable.
 
SheepBeast said:
Just because it runs fine for you doesn't mean it runs fine for everyone. Go look in the battle net tech support forum, then maybe you'll see why people are moaning.



Thors are useless vs toss. HT take away their energy and a chunk of health and then immortals rip them to shreds. Even chargelots do ok. Same with carriers.

Or you know, they could straight up kill you before you can get more than a handful of thors because you'll be extremely vulnerable.
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Funniest thing is when a Thor fires at Interceptors and hits them at the right point and it kills them all XD
 
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/6873704

New potential buff/nerf list is out from Blizz.

They're nerfing creep slightly. It's still not the correct nerf IMO. It should be that it recedes faster and that's the only nerf that will matter.
I've seen multiple games where there's just so many tumors that the creep gets cleaned up then when the enemy has gone off the Zerg just replaces it.

Raven movement speed/acceleration won't change much and they even admit it in the post they've made.
They're just going along with all these stupid non-Terrans who think we should bank on HSM because Zergs don't split their units which at the end of the day they'll end up doing if it ever gets a proper buff.

It also doesn't help the real problem of map control, the ability to be extremely greedy and get away with it and the multiple lategame Hive-tech switches where if you don't have enough Vikings or Marauders you'll just die. (and HSM sucks against Ultras)
 
Kamwah said:
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/6873704

New potential buff/nerf list is out from Blizz.

They're nerfing creep slightly. It's still not the correct nerf IMO. It should be that it recedes faster and that's the only nerf that will matter.
I've seen multiple games where there's just so many tumors that the creep gets cleaned up then when the enemy has gone off the Zerg just replaces it.

Raven movement speed/acceleration won't change much and they even admit it in the post they've made.
They're just going along with all these stupid non-Terrans who think we should bank on HSM because Zergs don't split their units which at the end of the day they'll end up doing if it ever gets a proper buff.

It also doesn't help the real problem of map control, the ability to be extremely greedy and get away with it and the multiple lategame Hive-tech switches where if you don't have enough Vikings or Marauders you'll just die. (and HSM sucks against Ultras)
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They say all match ups balanced below pro level, I doubt they mean 50:50 balance, more like 54:46 "balance" balance. -_-
 
Nerusy said:
They say all match ups balanced below pro level, I doubt they mean 50:50 balance, more like 54:46 "balance" balance. -_-
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You'll never get 50:50 balance and the July winrates are out now.

They show...
International:
PvT - 52,4%
ZvT - 55,7%
PvZ - 50,7%
KR only:
PvT - 52,5%
ZvT - 49,8%
PvZ - 52,2%


It's mostly 'balanced' as it is but that's from TLPD (so only pro games) and then a lot of qualifiers for major events aren't counted in which skews it one way or another.

I don't think there's much imbalance atm but there's some points where you have to be a much better player to win while he's A-moving like herp derp.
 
Kamwah said:
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/6873704

New potential buff/nerf list is out from Blizz.

They're nerfing creep slightly. It's still not the correct nerf IMO. It should be that it recedes faster and that's the only nerf that will matter.
I've seen multiple games where there's just so many tumors that the creep gets cleaned up then when the enemy has gone off the Zerg just replaces it.

Raven movement speed/acceleration won't change much and they even admit it in the post they've made.
They're just going along with all these stupid non-Terrans who think we should bank on HSM because Zergs don't split their units which at the end of the day they'll end up doing if it ever gets a proper buff.

It also doesn't help the real problem of map control, the ability to be extremely greedy and get away with it and the multiple lategame Hive-tech switches where if you don't have enough Vikings or Marauders you'll just die. (and HSM sucks against Ultras)
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I kind of agree, but I'm still really pleased with this patch. It's better than nothing, and it's also an indication blizzard are aware of the problem.

It's not a complete solution, but it's a step in the right direction and at least will give terrans a little morale boost.
 
SheepBeast said:
I kind of agree, but I'm still really pleased with this patch. It's better than nothing, and it's also an indication blizzard are aware of the problem.

It's not a complete solution, but it's a step in the right direction and at least will give terrans a little morale boost.
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The thing is that I don't think they are IMO and are just doing it in response to community pressure. Remember the Queen range came from a test map like this and it wasn't even in it so we could get something completely random yet.

Dustin Browder has had several interviews and one quite recently where he said that the Queen Range buff was working as intended and that Terrans need to micro Ravens better. He thinks there are no problems =/
 
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