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Thanks guys, that's very helpful, I'm still practising against the AI and I've yet to even enter a single practise multiplayer match!

...it's all a bit daunting. :)
 
feedtheram said:
starting to get the hang of this. still not good but am winning games - can only assume the people i'm playing are dreadful.

had a funny one last night. TvT and oppo wiped out all my ground units and started on my base. I flew a barracks off and a factory the other way to safety. He continued destroying buildings then went of after my barracks which he found and took out.

Meanwhile i had 6 Banshees at the other side of the map. I cloaked up and destroyed his army and his entire base. Funny thing being he could have launched his buildings and i would have been screwed - maybe he wasnt aware that building destruction = win.

I'm finding real success with cloacked Banshees. I'm in Bronze and most players dont seem to produce any detector units/buildings. If i can get 5 or 6 its usually game over.
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Try just going in with 1.. or 2 if you double Starport.

Then while you harass him early on, you can switch tech to marauders, which will also decimate the marines he will build to counter your Banshees :)

Bleek said:
Thanks guys, that's very helpful, I'm still practising against the AI and I've yet to even enter a single practise multiplayer match!

...it's all a bit daunting. :)
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Hehe a lot of people have the daunting feeling, as its a pretty competetive game. I'd suggest after a few more vs the AI, do your practise games and just spam the ladder :) you'll improve really fast. especially if you post your replays etc and find out what you do wrong when you lose :)
 
Also.. I think im going to Enter CraftCup if it starts at 6pm

I don't have to go out untill 6:45! at least i'll get a few games in! .. if i get that far!

be funny if we meet in the group stages, Kar ^^
 
yea i thought any decent player wouldnt fall victim to the cloaked banshee tactic but at a low level it seems to work well.

i need to get out of the mindset of building up my forces. i always like to have a decent army before attacking and its become aparent thats not the way to go - specially if you dont know what your army is coming up against.

i was very very close to quiting this game as i couldnt buy a win - mainly because i rushed into multiplayer without a clue about which units counter which. But finally its starting to come together.
 
feedtheram said:
yea i thought any decent player wouldnt fall victim to the cloaked banshee tactic but at a low level it seems to work well.

i need to get out of the mindset of building up my forces. i always like to have a decent army before attacking and its become aparent thats not the way to go - specially if you dont know what your army is coming up against.

i was very very close to quiting this game as i couldnt buy a win - mainly because i rushed into multiplayer without a clue about which units counter which. But finally its starting to come together.
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you will often have lulls in your play in which you'll just lose lose lose, all the learning curve :).. proper moral burning though!
 
feedtheram said:
yea i thought any decent player wouldnt fall victim to the cloaked banshee tactic but at a low level it seems to work well.

i need to get out of the mindset of building up my forces. i always like to have a decent army before attacking and its become aparent thats not the way to go - specially if you dont know what your army is coming up against.

i was very very close to quiting this game as i couldnt buy a win - mainly because i rushed into multiplayer without a clue about which units counter which. But finally its starting to come together.
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I was the same, just dived in MP and kept on getting slaughtered. Much more fun once you start to understand the tactics :)

I'm actually improving at last but still turtle up too much like it was single player. Looking at all the good players you need to get out and start harassing your opponent really early.
 
I too am crap at early harass, damned good at turtling though.

Have also gotten quite adept at 'surprise' attacks, whereby I lull my opponent in with a large force but not all and then wack in the reinforcements when they least expect it.
 
Right, I took the plunge and entered my first ever online game and won.

I'll attach the replay if anyone wants to give some pointers?

I was Terran versus Zerg, I started with marines and expanded pretty quickly, waited for him to attack and then countered with a medivac drop of units in his base.

Whilst keeping him at bay on my front line with marines, hellions and banshee I was building up a couple of battlecruisers, used them with another medivac drop to push up and take his supple and base.

Lasted 18 minutes.


edit: here is the replay anyway - http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?1cbpv9t28t8cseo
 
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Bleek said:
Right, I took the plunge and entered my first ever online game and won.

I'll attach the replay if anyone wants to give some pointers?

I was Terran versus Zerg, I started with marines and expanded pretty quickly, waited for him to attack and then countered with a medivac drop of units in his base.

Whilst keeping him at bay on my front line with marines, hellions and banshee I was building up a couple of battlecruisers, used them with another medivac drop to push up and take his supple and base.

Lasted 18 minutes.


edit: here is the replay anyway - http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?1cbpv9t28t8cseo
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Ah, right from the start I can see you played Starcraft 1. ;)

You can rally your workers straight to your mineral line and they will mine automatically. You don't need to rally them off to the side then put them in the minerals manually.

I will edit with a few more tips as I watch.

edit: same with mules.

I've noticed you haven't hotkeyed anything. This is very very important, you should start doing so as soon as possible. Press control + # to set control groups, then shift + # to add units and buildings to that control group. I suggest starting off with your command centre hotkeyed to something like 4 or whatever number you feel comfortable with. Press ctrl+4 to set the hotkey, then you can simply press 4s to make an SCV. You'll find this is much more efficient than clicking on your command centre then pressing s. Also, force yourself to actually press s and not clicking the SCV button. Try not to use the mouse for the button right buttons whatsoever. With your CC hotkeyed you need to start routinely pressing 4s. Keep thinking to yourself throughout the game 4s, 4s, 4s and keep doing it whenever you're not making an SCV. The good thing about hotkeys is that you don't need to be near your CC to make an SCV, you can be anywhere. Just press 4s.

Once you're comfortable doing this, do it with your barracks. Set it to 5, or 3, or whatever number you're comfortable pressing all the time. Then do the same, 3a, 3d, etc for marines and marauders. Again you don't need to be looking at your barracks, just press 3a to make a marine whenever you feel the previous one has finished building. You'll soon learn to be constantly pressing 4s, 3a, etc all the time and before you know it you will be macroing effectively and winning games far more. Then of course you can start controling your army with hotkeys. I personally keep my main army on 1, so I can select them all and move them wherever without looking at them and having to box select them. Eventually you'll want to split your army into groups so you can position them well but get comfortable with the general idea of control groups and hotkeys first. There's really no need to get into strategy and build orders until you have fundamental control down.

Ok I noticed a few more things but these are totally understandable for someone new to the game. As you probably know, being rich in this game means you're losing. Your money was getting high very early on in the game which is an easy mistake when you're new. This is where build orders come in handy because if you follow them you will be able to spend your money. You want to try and get into the mindset of having money = not good. You need to spend your money and try to not get rich as much as possible. I noticed you only made 1 of each production building, and thus your money got high. When you see your money at 1000 minerals, and you have an SCV making at the CC and a marine making at your barracks - what are you supposed to spend your money on? Well, this is where you need to start adding more barracks. The factory and starport was nice, but going 1 of each is a difficult build - I recommend starting off with just barracks for a few games and trying to keep your money low. When you're at the 20-30 food mark and your money is running high, throw down a barracks or two. Then put some tech labs on them and start making marauders as they're more expensive.

You stopped making SCVs very quickly too. Always make SCVs. Literally never stop. Like Day9 says, it's much much better to have too many SCVs than too few. If after a while you realise that you literally have too many and it's eating into your army supply, you're on the right track. 4s4s4s4s, don't stop doing it. :p

also, try not to use the supply drop feature. Get used to making supply depots. Glance in the top right at your food constantly and see if you're going to be needing one any time soon. Don't rely on the supply drop, it will be a bad habit to get out of once you start improving. btw, for your first game you did really really well. You were constantly producing units pretty much which is good. You were queuing them up, but that's expected because you had too many minerals with not enough unit producing structures so you had nothing else to spend your money on.
 
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Milkybk said:
Cool! Are you a fan of ay other kind of metal? I'm personally more into hardcore/deathcore e.g. Your Demise/The Ghost Inside/Blind Witness/Despised Icon etc.
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Err yea plenty.

Currently listing to Mar De Grises new album, its avantgard doom.

I would say my metal taste is for: prog metal/post metal/doom metal and death metal.

Dont like grindcore or deathcore, but Im open to new experiences.!!
 
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