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Okay, I finally managed to win vs medium AI :P

Can anybody point out my main flaws and what to work on? (Yes, I know my economy crapped up) And how to improve?

Also, what did i do..well..if anything? So I know what to keep doing.

http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/160201-1v1-terran-zerg-agria-valley#rd:dna

Bare in mind, I got the game about 3 days ago and am a SC virgin. Or was. :P

Some things i noticed in the replay:

You got gas first, but then didn't use any until 8:30, you want to get zergling speed (Metabolic Boost, from the spawning pool) as soon as you hit 100 gas normally when you go gas first.

When you're making expansions you're sending lots of drones instead of just one to build it.

You need to try and react to attacks better, your army was just idling for ages while the ai took out your hatchery, and you only sent slow banelings to attack them, instead of your zerglings and roaches aswell.

I liked that you had a queen getting to your 1st expansion ready for it completing.

Do you know that queens can drop creep tumors which spread creep for you? I noticed that you were using overlords to drop some, which can be useful sometimes, but obviously if you're doing it out on the map then anti air units are able to pick off overlords for free. Whereas creep tumors can't be killed without detection (observer/raven scan etc) and also give vision on the map like the overlords would.

Try and scout abit more (probably not needed against AI since they'll probably do exactly the same every game), even something as little as having a zergling on watch towers gives you extra time to make attacking units when the enemy decides it's time to attack you. Against people you'll also have to face drops/pylons in your base and stuff, spreading your overlords around your bases instead of having them clumped up can save you at times.

You want a more even distribution of drones, you want about 16 drones on minerals per base (or 2 per node for bases that have less than 8 minerals), you only had 8 drones mining minerals in your main base, and 6 mining the minerals at the gold.

Also on the drones, because you wern't really scouting you were having to blindly build zerglings, as I'm guessing you have died to early pressure from the AI so wanted to defend it. As zerg you want to build drones as much as possible, building only the bare minimum of attacking units to survive the enemies attacks until you have a good enough economy to be able to easily out produce them (unless you're going for some all in or something).

Also, again related to drones, once you fend off an enemy attack, that's usually a good time to spend all your larva on drones, since you know that the enemy won't be attacking you for a while, the more you play and the more you scout the better you'll get at judging when you have enough units to kill the opponents army and any reinforcement so you can start building drones again.

If you're finding that your minerals are getting too high because you're missing injects (which will happen a lot, especially when you're in combat, until it just becomes natural to inject every 25 seconds or whatever it is, and even pros don't have perfect injects) feel free to build an extra hatchery in your main so you can spend your money better, it's much better to have your money invested in drones or attacking units than it is to having it sit mounting up.

You can keybind all your hatcheries one one hotkey if you didn't know that? (I noticed you had 2 hatcheries hotkeyed, on seperate hotkeys) That way you can build units from all of your hatcheries at once, instead of having to go through each hatchery individually.

Well, there's some stuff I noticed, as you get more used to playing as zerg it will become easier to do everything :).

Edit - Yeah, I love banelings too :D, I normaly go zergling/baneling/muta against terrans, mutas for harrassing and scouting, and ling/baneling to take everything on the ground out.

Edit again - Forgot to add when i said about your second queen, before you send it to your first expansion, drop a creep tumor at the edge of your creep, you should have enough energy for inject again by the time it gets to your expansion, and you can then use that creep tumor to start making more creep tumors, eventually covering the whole map in creep :D (you can also get an extra queen, solely for spreading creep).
 
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Okay, I finally managed to win vs medium AI :P

Can anybody point out my main flaws and what to work on? (Yes, I know my economy crapped up) And how to improve?

Also, what did i do..well..if anything? So I know what to keep doing.

http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/160201-1v1-terran-zerg-agria-valley#rd:dna

Bare in mind, I got the game about 3 days ago and am a SC virgin. Or was. :P
Firstly, I'd like to say congrats on the win! :) For Starcraft veterans it's very easy to overlook such important milestones.

So a couple of things to note, just to add on what everyone else has said.

I think my main concern, at first, would be your hotkey setup. A good hotkey setup can really help you get to grips with macro, making that drone timing a lot easier :). It was only at around the 7 minute mark you had queens hotkeyed, which makes keeping track of larva injects a real pain. Personally my setup is:

1-3: various attacking units
4: All my hatcheries
5: Queen in main
6: Queen in expansion
7: Queen in third
etc

I'm not saying this is 'right', but find something comfortable for you which is consistent :). The reason why it is important is because the time it takes to click on a hotkey to get a queen to spawn larva is so much shorter than finding the queen.

Along the same lines, it's a good idea to learn basically all the shortcut keys in the game (for zerg). You might be doing this already, in which case I'll shut up, but it is extremely important.

Also I notice you got a relatively early gas extractor. When you do something like this, you have to think to yourself: "What am I going to be spending the gas on?" I'm not saying getting gas at those times is "bad" or "good" (that's for you to find out) but you have to think about whether it was necessary for what you wanted to do. At the 9 minute mark, you have 600 gas and basically nothing to spend it on. Could have I gotten this later? Could I spend the gas on something? These are the questions you should be asking yourself :).

The more obvious things to say would be: constantly make drones, expand a lot and don't get supply blocked. All of these things you should certainly have in your head, but will probably only come with a lot of practice. Right now, it would be a good idea to get to grips with the mechanics of starcraft before fixing your macro :).

Other than that, GL HF! :)
 
Along the same lines, it's a good idea to learn basically all the shortcut keys in the game (for zerg). You might be doing this already, in which case I'll shut up, but it is extremely important.

Working on it, though, I think I've got it down, I rarely click the grid in the corner. (I think) :P
 
I took a break from starcraft of about 2 weeks and since I've come back, I've drastically improved! I got put in silver as that is what I was in before the league reset, but have won 30 games and lost 11 and shot to near the top of gold... A big improvement considering it was done with no practise!
 
1-3: various attacking units
4: All my hatcheries
5: Queen in main
6: Queen in expansion
7: Queen in third

Yeah, that's exactly how i have my hotkeys.

in tvt I have:

1 is zerglings
2 is banelings
3 is mutas

Then i just constantly press 4sddddddddddzzzzzz etc to spend all my larva, and double tap 5, press v and click on the hatchery that im now looking at to inject.
 
Your not doing anything wrong, your just being a victim of cheese tactics, it's really spoiling the game for new (and experienced) players.

If I see one more cannon rush!!!

yeah i hate the cannon rush,
Also i hate the zerg version aswell, (the one with the long stupid arm)

Im going to have another bash tonight.
So anyone online at 4pm see you in the OcUk channel.
 
yeah i hate the cannon rush,
Also i hate the zerg version aswell, (the one with the long stupid arm)

Im going to have another bash tonight.
So anyone online at 4pm see you in the OcUk channel.

cannon rush used to annoy me and I would lose to it all the time when I started.

The key to that is "SCOUT" - always send a drone/scv/probe etc around the inside and outskirts of your base early doors.

If you spot a pylon getting put down you know that's what they are trying. Send out 3 scv's/drone/probes to attack the pylon. Remember keep calm and focus on taking out the pylon but keep pumping out your own workers. If you manage to stop the cannon rush the you should be well ahead in terms of economy as your opponent has spent time/probes and eco on trying to rush you.

Once you have stopped it once - it will very rarely get you again
 
cannon rush used to annoy me and I would lose to it all the time when I started.

The key to that is "SCOUT" - always send a drone/scv/probe etc around the inside and outskirts of your base early doors.

If you spot a pylon getting put down you know that's what they are trying. Send out 3 scv's/drone/probes to attack the pylon. Remember keep calm and focus on taking out the pylon but keep pumping out your own workers. If you manage to stop the cannon rush the you should be well ahead in terms of economy as your opponent has spent time/probes and eco on trying to rush you.

Once you have stopped it once - it will very rarely get you again

are you online tonight?
if so could you cannon rush me and see if i can deffend?
i cant seem to get any practise in,
i play the medium AI but its just too easy,
But when i play the Hard AI i just get trounced,
 
are you online tonight?
if so could you cannon rush me and see if i can deffend?
i cant seem to get any practise in,
i play the medium AI but its just too easy,
But when i play the Hard AI i just get trounced,

I couldn't cannon rush you if I tried!! - I play Terran!:D I just know how to defend it/stop it - Good scouting will always stop it. Just don;t panic if you do get rushed and just concentrate on stopping it but at the same time keep you eco going.

Also i would give the AI a miss and just go straight to ladder - it's honestly the best way to learn against opponents.

 
The great thing about this game, is it doesn't matter how good or bad you are, it's still fun.

Well, it is for me anyway.

Definitely hit me up next you see me online. (Hopefully tonight and tomorrow =])
 
@ Smite

Also: a good piece of advice;

when your playing against AIs, make sure your doing it in Custom Games, that way your wins count towards Custom Game achievements. If your going in single player vs AI your wins aren't counting towards anything.
 
Sorry, is your IGN sadform? Or is it something else.. :P

NVM, figured it out. Uh, I think you need mine or somethinf ro the FL to work?

So:

Name= Perdition
Character Code= 780

Yeah it's ingame name :).

Ill be online sometime over the weekend and most of next week in the evenings. I would say just learn a easy build like 14gas 14 pool with a 20/21 expand and just really focus on spitting larvae, spending larvae and scouting. The better you get at this the better you get at playing zerg, they are the most basic fundamentals of zerg.

I saw your only playing v medium AI etc.. I woudnt worry to much about strategys, just play around and work out what counters what etc...
 
Yeah it's ingame name :).

Ill be online sometime over the weekend and most of next week in the evenings. I would say just learn a easy build like 14gas 14 pool with a 20/21 expand and just really focus on spitting larvae, spending larvae and scouting. The better you get at this the better you get at playing zerg, they are the most basic fundamentals of zerg.

I saw your only playing v medium AI etc.. I woudnt worry to much about strategys, just play around and work out what counters what etc...

Also,

just try and learn one new thing at a time, their's far too much to learn. Set yourself weekend goals, ie:

This weekend your goal could be to spread creep from your main to your expansion and then as far as you can with a queen in every single game, hot key her and keep her busy.

Then maybe next weekend you could set the goal of hotkeying all your queens and concentrating on spawning larvae as often as you can (eventually you just sort of know when it's time) as well as spreading creep with another queen.

Then also set yourself little evening tasks too, ie, tonight I will spread my overlords out over the map in every single game.

Then tomorrow, the 7th drone I make will find the enemy then wait outside their base as a scout.

Then the next night, my first zerglings will wait outside the enemy base as a scout and I can return my inital drone scout back to do some work.

I found their's far too much to take in, but if you force yourself to do just one thing at a time, and do the best you can with what you've learned so far, you'll get the hang of it.
 
Havent shared a replay in a while, though i'd post a 4v4 from tonight.

http://www.mediafire.com/?gr87e4lji0744l1

So Battle.Net's shutting down in 20 minutes, and you decide to cannon rush, only it's immediately scouted before it starts and you're back at square 1! What do you do? Big credit to my allies for keeping me alive during this one xD



So I followed Alex and Scott's advice and thrashed the AI 3 games running :D

I think the problem is that my style of play in SupCom is "slow and deliberate" - and it SC2 it seems like you have to frantically churn out units and be rapidly multitasking all the time. My SupCom style just doesn't translate over - but I've been playing it so long it's hard to change :)

I feel like I'm getting somewhere now though \0/

Glad it helped :) I was really into TotalA/supcom myself and I would agree, totally different style.
 
Anybody ever had a defeated opponent message them with statistics? :D

Long story short, he had a bit more income than me and a slightly larger unit count. According to him, that meant it was 'impossible' for me to win :confused: We had several little skirmishes and neither one of us massed any particular unit.

Had to block him because he stooped to calling me names after I politely and clearly explained his many faults :rolleyes:
 
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Had a 3v3 yesterday where one of the team said he was playing a positional game - which in his mind meant sitting his army in his expansion the entire game. The other player went mutas when clearly the other team had plenty of counters which left me to deal with 3 armies and get owned. This was in platinum level.
 
Anybody ever had a defeated opponent message them with statistics? :D

Long story short, he had a bit more income than me and a slightly larger unit count. According to him, that meant it was 'impossible' for me to win :confused: We had several little skirmishes and neither one of us massed any particular unit.

Had to block him because he stooped to calling me names after I politely and clearly explained his many faults :rolleyes:

Should have just said "Wow, you must be absolutly terrible if you're losing games when its actually impossible for you to lose" :D.
 
Okay, I finally managed to win vs medium AI :P

Can anybody point out my main flaws and what to work on? (Yes, I know my economy crapped up) And how to improve?

Also, what did i do..well..if anything? So I know what to keep doing.

http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/160201-1v1-terran-zerg-agria-valley#rd:dna

Bare in mind, I got the game about 3 days ago and am a SC virgin. Or was. :P

Im not a great player by any means but if you like I can show you a replay of me beating very hard with just Zerglings alone.
 
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