'OSX crap' says Torvalds

[NickK]

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/02/06/apple-operating-system-crap

True but it does sound like he's preaching exactly like Gates and Jobs do.. specifically as he mentions where he'd like to see Linux in media etc - nothing like being an pesudo-MD and having vested interest in the financial take up of Linux eh?

Apple and MS operating systems are probably 'crap' under the hood. However as a user I don't care about that.

I pay, yes pay, for a product that works (and it does) for my needs (yes mine!).

My MacBook Pro works. Yes I am unsatisfied by the stability reports of Time Machine (a major reason for upgrading but being in the software industry I will wait till the major update after before using it!). A concious and planned decision on my point (for me - not anyone else).

My experience of using Linux (kubuntu 64bit with X2 4400, X1950XTX, 2GB) was that the fabric of workspace that the applications presented to me to get my work done was bad (over a year spent on it).

I DO NOT BUY AN OPERATING SYSTEM FOR IT'S TECHYNESS - I BUY THE FACILITATION TO QUICKLY, RELIABLY DO MY DOMESTIC CHORES SO I CAN DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH MY LIFE.

/rant over..

 

[Sarduk]

At least you can take sollace in the fact you paid OTT for something *nix based, anyway

 

[Sic]

it's worth it to have a nix based OS with all the added features (that are easily accessible) and support.

edit: I don't think you pay OTT though - Leopard is very reasonably priced imo

 

[NickK]

At least you can take sollace in the fact you paid OTT for something *nix based, anyway

Seem my comment about not caring about the techyness.

I have a degree in software engineering with specialisation in distributed systems and over 11 years in the global industry. I could quite easily write, compile, patch, etc if I could face pulling my teeth out one by one without pain relief.

However I do not want to waste my valuable time outside of my work job in the lame task of trying to figure out how to get something to work. I do not get any feeling of fun out of it and view it as a complete waste of time!

I feel that, Linux-boi attitude is just as bad as Apple-boi or MS-boi ... I'm just a regular home user.

 

[Tunney]

The Inquirer, as usual, has taken Linus' quotes out of context and produced a sensationalist article. He actually said that OS X was generally a good operating system but its file system was crap and in some ways Windows Vista was better.

Hardly controversial stuff.

 

[J1234]

What's going on with those sigs? ^^

Loads of peoples have gone huuuge.

 

[NickK]

The Inquirer, as usual, has taken Linus' quotes out of context and produced a sensationalist article. He actually said that OS X was generally a good operating system but its file system was crap and in some ways Windows Vista was better.

Hardly controversial stuff.

I did read the entire article. However if you read how LT is presenting it - it does read with a little tinge of Hypocrascy (ics!)

 

[griffy]

He's sticking up for Linux. Apple is getting more people switching to OSX from windows, and he would rather they choose Linux instead. Linux is free, but not hassle free, it doesn't seem to have evolved much over the past 5 years. Sour grapes from Torvald

Q: What do you think about the regular hype about the release of a new version of Microsoft Windows or Apple OS X?

A: An o/s should never have been something that people (in general) really care about: it should be completely invisible and nobody should give a flying **** about it except the technical people.

Errm... OSX is far more invisible than Vista and Linux. Vista nags the user constantly about security and updates, and you need to be a geek to get Linux working right!

Hardly a balanced point of view from Linus Torvalds!

 

[mortals]

Apple it is a way to control the whole environment and to force people to upgrade their applications and hardware

I thought leopard ran on old G4 systems?

He told the assembled throng that he thought that both operating systems were equally flawed

"I don't think they're equally flawed - I think Leopard is a much better system,"

erm? lol

 

[Sic]

you need to be a geek to get Linux working right!

I don't agree with that. It's not user friendly, but it is usable by the non-geek. Installation and uninstallation of standard software on Ubuntu is actually easier than in OSX - it's when you have to start compiling and configuring things that it gets a bit daunting!

 

[mortals]

'theinquirer crap' says mortals

That article really explains why so many people don't even bother with theinqirer tbh

I posted a comment on there with the quotes I put above and it says something about it needs to be authorised I bet they don't put it up on the article lol

 

[Energize]

erm? lol

Thats the inquirer for you. The article looks like it was written by a 5 year old.

 

[killsta]

Wonder what his definition of 'crap' is...

Never had a problem with the filesystem on Tiger and Leopard, and neither have anybody else I know, so he can't be referring to reliability.

Maybe if it works without breaking, it's 'crap'

 

[griffy]

I don't agree with that. It's not user friendly, but it is usable by the non-geek. Installation and uninstallation of standard software on Ubuntu is actually easier than in OSX - it's when you have to start compiling and configuring things that it gets a bit daunting!

Its not user friendly but ok, its usable for the non-geek at first anyway. Until something goes wrong, or a new device refuses to work, and you have to start compiling I've not played with Ubuntu, but how much easier can it be than OSX? Drag the application icon onto the trash bin and drop it in

 

[Durzel]

One thing I do agree with is his point about an OS being transparent.

I'm genuinely perplexed by the ridiculous fanfare given to any "new thing" that Apple releases. If the UK store goes down for more than a few minutes you can be sure there will be threads all over the internet (and here) with people chomping at the bit to find out why like their lives depended on it.

There was a huge thread on here for Leopard as I recall too. It's an OS for Christssake, not a solar eclipse.

As for Linux vs OSX - it's best to remember that OSX is basically just a GUI on top of a *nix kernel & utilities. In that respect it's not really better or worse - just different - than the likes of GNOME, KDE, etc.

 

[griffy]

And the most transparent, user friendly, powerful operating system free from hassles such as virus, spyware, trojans, drivers, missing files, updates, installing/de-installing software, etc is











OSX

 

[Energize]

And the most transparent, user friendly, powerful operating system free from hassles such as virus, spyware, trojans, drivers, missing files, updates, installing/de-installing software, etc is

That would be why it's the hardest operating system to install new hardware like graphics cards on then, or rather impossible. And why macfixitforums exist.

 

[griffy]

That would be why it's the hardest operating system to install new hardware like graphics cards on then, or rather impossible.

Only gamers need to keep upgrading graphics cards and cpu's to keep up with the latest games? The apple is not designed to be a gamers machine, so it is fit for purpose, you knew it wasn't a gaming machine when you bought it, nothing has changed

and as for Linux gaming, forget it!

 

[griffy]

That would be why it's the hardest operating system to install new hardware like graphics cards on then, or rather impossible. And why macfixitforums exist.

I named OSX the best I have found, for the same criteria, name a better one?

 

[Energize]

Only gamers need to keep upgrading graphics cards and cpu's to keep up with the latest games? The apple is not designed to be a gamers machine, so it is fit for purpose, you knew it wasn't a gaming machine when you bought it, nothing has changed

You can't claim it's the most powerful and user friendly os when you can't even upgrade the graphics card for purposes like video rendering and encoding which macs are designed for.

I named OSX the best I have found, for the same criteria, name a better one?

A free sandbox like sandboxie, renders an operating system like windows invunerable to viruses, spyware and trojans, to a greater degree than osx is, so they are of no concern in this day and age. Most devices install themselves automatically and drivers in fact make windows and linux able to support almost any hardware giving it an advantage.