Overclocking guide for newbies here...

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Be nice if this could be a sticky - also if people could post results/experiences using this method...or any mistakes experienced OCers might see...good luck, and thanks to Tesla for the initial procedure which I have adapted.

Version 1 - 29/10/03 - By Tesla and NF7-S

Any questions to be kept in this thread. PLEASE read this fully BEFORE even starting - then ONLY use it as a guide for reference. To start with benchmark your PC with 3DMark2001 (link below) and make sure the PC is stable at stock with Prime95 (link below) run this overnight or whilst at work. Get a big bit of paper and pen - make a note of your 3DMark score as this is what we're looking to improve...make a point of jotting down everything that happens - so if all fails you know what worked and can revert to it easily.

WARNING: I hold NO responsibility for any damage caused

WARNING: Before starting make sure you find out how to reset your BIOS for if the PC fails to boot and doesn't recover itself


Okay, I'll start with what you need...


Prime 95 - http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft.htm

Mobo Monitor (or your own mobo specific one) - http://mbm.livewiredev.com/download.html

Memory tester - http://www.memtest86.com/ (you might need this to test your RAM is ok if there are strange problems)

3D Mark 2001 SE build 330 - http://futuremark.com/download/ (there are other benchmarks at this link to if you want them)


Now what you need to know...


HEAT is the enemy, heat is what limits overclocking most of all - and it also kills stuff! Due to heat you might want to consider a few more purchases...

Coolermaster Aero 7 Lite - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Coolermaster_122.html

Arctic Silver III Thermal Compound - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Thermal_Materials_27.html

Some cleaning fluid that evaporates - Isopropyl alcohol (tape head cleaner) is a good example.

This will set you back about £20-£25, but IMHO well worth it, and at least you're setting good foundations to help with dissipation of heat. There's great advise on the AS website on how to apply... http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_silver_instructions.htm and before that you'll need how to clean the CPU - here... http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_869_4348^6678,00.html (for AMD users)


You also need to know...

That this COULD damage your components, the key to success is patience and understanding...I've read hours of things related to overclocking that has lead to this guide.


You need to know your components limits...

RAM & CPU is what we're dealing with, you need to know what the limits are of your components -

RAM is a major factor on bus speed limitations as is the motherboard. You need to be able to lock your PCI and AGP bus speeds to 6/6 (or any other figure that your bios might display to mean '1' (i.e. 1, 3/3 etc)...some mobos do not support PCI & AGP locking - again this is a major limiting factor.

As a result I ended up buying new RAM and a new Mobo so I could get some extra speed - of course you can sell on your old kit - so it need not be too expensive - I would guess (inc. the heat sink etc) if you wanted to buy better components for overclocking the overall expense would be between £50-£100. Now that might sound expensive - but believe me speed per £££ it's much cheaper than buying the components that'll run at the speeds we will get! I have my £75 CPU running FASTER than a £280 CPU!!

CPU is (of course) another limiting factor - not all XP1700 (or whatever CPU it is) are the same - some will have different cores which mean they already run hotter/cooler, then there's the fact that some will just be better 'clockers' - a lot is pot luck, but looking round at some sites (www.overclockers.com forum is a great place to look) you can even find specifics about what your CPU will do - dependant on what core it's got - or even what WEEK it was made!!

In a nutshell you need to know...

CPU - Core, stock voltage and FSB http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_739,00.html (for AMD users). Also safe temperatures to run at (try a search on the overclockers forum). You will also need to know how to unlock your CPU multiplier!
RAM - Speed - example PC2700 (DDR333) = 333Mhz = 166 FSB
Mobo - Will it lock PCI/AGP? Also how to reset the bios. (this is VERY important)


Tips:

Good components means good performance..."buy cheap, buy twice - buy good, buy once" - never a truer word spoken - I should know!!
Get a mobo that locks the PCI & AGP, also RAM that's as fast as you can afford...you might want to get a more 'overclocker friendly' CPU - remember you can sell off your old kit and therefore the whole experience needn't cost lots...even with the system you have now (without any extras) - I'm sure we can get a little more out of it!! ;)


Ok...now on the fun bit...


Firstly, you need to set AGP & PCI locks to on or AGP=66mhz and PCI=33mhz before doing the following. (Refer to the manual - usually there's a setting of 6/6)

Put your multiplier on a low setting (10) and up the FSB in increments of 5mhz. After each increase of the FSB run stress tests such as 3DMark, prime 95. When your computer does not complete these stress tests increase the DDR voltage by 0.1v. Re-test. If the tests complete keep going in 5mhz increments. When you get to a unstable FSB again increase the DDR voltage by 0.1v. (I wouldn't recommend going over 2.8v) You will reach a point when the tests fail even at 2.8v this means you have overclocked the FSB too much so lower the FSB to the highest setting in which the test completed (you should have taken a note of the last successful setting (FSB & DDR) you had).

You now know the FSB limit of your setup.

Now increase the multiplier in increments of 0.5. After each increment run the stress tests mentioned above. Eventually you will get to a multiplier which is unstable. Try increasing the vcore voltage by 0.025v and re-test. If the pc is still unstable increase the vcore again by 0.025v. (Keep an eye on the temperatures). re-test. If the tests still fail and temperatures are getting what you consider too hot, I would not recommend increasing your vcore any higher . So put your multiplier on the highest stable setting (again you should have noted the last successful multiplier AND voltage setting).

You now have the highest overclock possible for your setup. Do not worry if you couldn't set the multiplier any higher than 10 - FSB is the single most effective speed setting in your CPU setup - for example - a machine set to 215x10 (2150MHz) is faster than a machine set to 200x11 (2200MHz).

Lots of people do not like to run there system right on the edge. I would advise to lower the FSB by 5mhz after finding the maximum stable system overclock. Just to be on the safe side...but that's up to you.

An example: (Completely made up!)

Athlon XP1800+
Stock = 1533mHz
FSB = 133mhz
Multiplier = 11.5

1. Lower multiplier to 10. CPU now at 1330MHz
2. Increase the FSB by 5mhz. CPU now at 138*10=1380
3. Keep increasing by 5mhz and testing in between each increase.
4. FSB at 178mhz = unstable. (CPU= 178*10=1780MHz)
5. Increase DDR voltage to 2.6v
6. Can increase FSB to 184MHz before becoming unstable. (CPU= 184*10=1840MHz)
7. Increase DDR voltage to 2.7v. This did not improve overclockability. Lower DDR and FSB back to the last successful setting. So max stable FSB for system is 179MHz @ 2.6V.
8. Increase multiplier to 10.5 (CPU = 179*10.5=1879.5MHz)
9. Keep increasing multiplier by 0.5 until unstable. PC unstable at a multiplier of 12.
10. Increase vcore voltage by 0.025v. CPU stable with a multiplier of 12. (CPU= 12*179=2148MHz)
11. Cannot increase multiplier without causing stability issues so increase the vcore by another 0.025v.
12. Cannot get PC to run with stability at 12.5 multiplier. (CPU= 12.5*179=2238MHz)
13. Cannot increase Multiplier any further. Temperatures are too high to increase vcore...revert multiplier & vcore back to the last successful setting.

Max Stable Overclock = 12.5*179=2238MHz
Default = 1533mHz
An Overclock of 705MHz

Good luck!
 
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This is just a guide :)

There are many ways out there, but I think this system gives you a good start.

Many people here are very helpful, but get fed up of questions that are very basic - this guide should help you get going - then at least you can post 'worthwhile' questions and (more importantly) be likely to get a good amount/type of response as you've used your initiative to at least give it a go!!

Specifically:

mattwood - yep ;) altho many will say RAM timings are, it's all about personal pref & playing around with settings!!

GaTeCrAsHeR & neo_x - unfortunately I won't post on things I have no idea! I belive the only difference is the multiplier (I don't think Pentiums have one) - but if anyone want's to add a Pentium one or ANY input AT ALL - please feel free :)

Dataisgod - I did searched on my specific components to find their 'probable limits' and used this to decide what I would use as a max voltage, many would go higher or lower than what I've done - I think I've found a 'middle ground'.

Don't forget to keep an eye on the temps - and if you can afford water cooling (I wish!) that'd be a good move - BUT - read loads!

Good luck :)
 
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hmmm, try several searches:

XXX and temps (XXX being your cpu)

max and temp

safe and temp

that's a good start.

All temps are based on what components you've got...I have a Barton XP2500 on an NF7-S (well duh) - my temps are 38/60 MAXIMUM - and I really think many consider that a little high, but many also consider that safe.

The point is no 2 set-ups will be the same, and you may see someone with the same setup but higher (or lower!) temps...the bottom line is TRY to use the search to maximum effect - if no joy post a SPECIFIC question in this forum - I suggest this sort of format:

Please help with my XXX temps! (XXX being your CPU)

Please help, I'm a newbie to all this - I HAVE done a search but cannot find the answers I'm after...I have the following:

Mobo
CPU (along with any OC details if you are OCing)
Cooling (ie H/S & fan)
Case fans in/out

Any other info you think may be relevant (case side on or off, PC in a hot place -near a radiator etc)

It's currently running at XX mobo & XX CPU idle and XX/XX under load.

Is this about right? etc etc
 
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What components have you got? (RAM/MOBO/CPU etc) or is it as listed in your sig?

It could just be that they are not good clockers...some people can't get about 200 - that's just 'the way it goes', but it might be improved.

Some XP2500s are bad clockers depending which wek they were made, but I would agree I might have expected a little more if the setup is the one in the sig...if it is might I suggest a dedicated thread?

What multi can you get up to?
 
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no offence mate, but I don't drive my car until it breaks!!

keeping an eye on temps whilst running something like Prime95 is surely a 'safer' option.

remember this is a guide for newbies - maybe your suggestion is ok once people are a bit more comfortable?
 
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mate, I'll be honest - I have no clue on RAM timings...I've played about a bit...but to no avail :(

please feel free to re-write the guide and send it to me or tesla & we'll put it in :)

same goes for anyone with Petium experience

the idea of the guide was because many ignore 'basic' questions and expect people to search - I just pulled everything together into one (hopefully good) guide :)
 
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could be anything mate!!

try a search on the actual error message.

does it work when u switch it back? or error at a different point?
 
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LMAO, u guys are never happy!! :rolleyes:

I'll read & digest, but I'm no expert...I just wanted to help newbies & stop them upsetting people with basic Qs :)
 
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I believe P4s multis are locked - I'm still after a Pentium guy to edit our guide so 'all bases are covered'...anyone?? :confused:
 
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Hi guys, glad people are still using/lovin this :eek:

might need this tread myself soon as I'm building a PC for a mate...keep up the good work, great to see so many helping out and adding to it :)
 
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locking the agp is like I said - look for an option (think it's on the first bios screen - it's the screen that also shows what speed the CPU is running at) that gives an option to set it to 1/1.

the RAM might be the problem, but you shouldn't be messing with the FSB BEFORE locking the AGP (I thought u said u read the guide??)!
 
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Re: Re: Overclocking help

Originally posted by Chong Warrior
You've got the NF7-S v2.0 right? cool.

No need to worry about the AGP and PCI speeds, they're locked automatically;)

To get your PC to 11x200 I'd suggest going into the BIOS and in the same menu where you adjust the speed of your CPU you'll see options about voltages underneath.

Change the top option to manual, this will allow you to change the volt's for for CPU (1.65v default), northbridge (1.6v default), RAM (2.6v - 2.7v default) and AGP (1.5v default ).

Change your CPU voltage upto 1.675v or 1.7v just to be sure of 100% stabiltiy.
Change the northbridge upto 1.7v (which is the maximum you can set it to )
Change your RAM up from whatever it is by 0.1v (so if it's at 2.6v change it to 2.7v )

Try that, if it doesn't work, post back here;)

Also change the CPU / DDR RAM ratio to the 6/6 divider.


don't forget voltages can kill components!

the guide tells you to slowly add a bit at a time, and to one component at a time - I'm not sure advising to up all these at the same time is a great idea.

if the CPU can clock to 2.2, then in theory the memory sounds to be the weakest link, try upping the RAM ONLY first (IMHO), as per the guide (re: my comments if you had read the guide!?)

Dekim - not sure mate, I think it's just value over performance the 2500 offers the better deal?

Elyman - no idea mate...have a play and let us know :)
 
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I was just saying that it's probably better to adjust one thing at a time mate :)

Not only that, you said yourself that the RAM sounds suspect...so why not try that first?

Also, with the northbridge - I thought these weren't great on the NF7-S unless cooling had been improved?

Not doubting you're knowledge (even if u do support Spurs!! :p)

Agree that I think many are too impatient and just lumping it to 11x200, testing it for 10 mins and thinking everything is dandy...that's a short-cut to expensive pops IMHO!

Everyone (who is new to OCing) should do things as per the guide...or expect bad things to happen...the guide is like a fool proof idiots guide, learn to walk before running please chaps!! :D
 
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